Journalist Michael Hastings is dead at 33

[8bitagent]

Barracuda, that definitely should be in the inquiry. It's never good to be a child trying to wedge puzzle pieces in that don't fit. You have to take all the puzzle pieces and examine them on the table.
That's what was so frustrating about the "9/11 truth" scene, it was just as gatekeepery as the Daily Kos/Huffpo scene. In the pursuit of all truth, it's important to be ready to discredit one's own hunches
and accept any information if it proves valid even if it negates other held beliefs.

Like I can accept that Philip Marshall was both onto something fierce, but also for whatever reason snapped and did something unthinkable without the use of 'black ops'.
It doesnt need to be either or with me...as much as the idea he did that really makes me mad and saddened.

[Forgetting2]

Of course, the possibility of relapse should be investigated, even if one doesn't believe that the most likely scenario.

Barracuda, you are truly a fisher of men.

[justdrew]

most of all a few of these cars should be wrecked in the same manner to see if even once that such fire can be generated.

[barracuda]

The toxicology report won't satisfy anyone if it comes back dirty, myself included. We need to know if it was even possible that Hastings would have relapsed, and realistically a confirmation of that either way may be very difficult to find. The affirmative would require an admission by very close friends that would essentially smear the reputation of a beloved dead man. There's more at stake here than just the truth.

[justdrew]

most of all a few of these cars should be wrecked in the same manner to see if even once that such fire can be generated.

someone take the poor safety testing (I posted link to on page 2 or so), and this this event and smear the hell out of the Mercedes brand name and force a national transportation safety investigation.

[slimmouse]

Police, Firefighters Ordered Not To Speak About Michael Hastings Crash

[bks]

barracuda wrote:

The toxicology report won't satisfy anyone if it comes back dirty, myself included. We need to know if it was even possible that Hastings would have relapsed, and realistically a confirmation of that either way may be very difficult to find.

Not to play the parsing police, but of course it was possible. How could it not be possible? It could have happened two hours before he died. He could have had booze stashed in his car. Given what addiction is, there's no disputing that possibility until someone (ideally multiple people) comes forward and says that:

1. they were with Hastings up until he got into the car, and

2. that that time was just minutes before he died, and

3. that he hadn't been drinking, drugging or otherwise agitated.

Short of that, and I doubt we'll get that, it's at least not unreasonable to wonder about it. I'm a little concerned that no one close to him has yet come out to say that, to their knowledge, he hadn't relapsed. Or have they and I missed it? Seems like an important point to make with the stories that circulated by other journalists about having had drinks with Hastings at some time in the recent past (going on memory here, but one was friend and one foe, IIRC).

The affirmative would require an admission by very close friends that would essentially smear the reputation of a beloved dead man. There's more at stake here than just the truth.

I hear that, but Hastings was devoted journalist committed to telling hard truths. I would hope one of his close associates would recognize the value in clarifying whatever uncertainties can be clarified. It's not a smear if it's the truth; it would simply be a matter of publicizing formerly private information that's become important in the unfortunate instance of a man's suspicious-seeming death. Hastings is not going to suffer from it's becoming public, and if he was clean, trustworthy people should go on record as saying so.

[Hunter]

barracuda wrote:

The toxicology report won't satisfy anyone if it comes back dirty, myself included. We need to know if it was even possible that Hastings would have relapsed, and realistically a confirmation of that either way may be very difficult to find.

Not to play the parsing police, but of course it was possible. How could it not be possible? It could have happened two hours before he died. He could have had booze stashed in his car. Given what addiction is, there's no disputing that possibility until someone (ideally multiple people) comes forward and says that:

1. they were with Hastings up until he got into the car, and

2. that that time was just minutes before he died, and

3. that he hadn't been drinking, drugging or otherwise agitated.

Short of that, and I doubt we'll get that, it's at least not unreasonable to wonder about it. I'm a little concerned that no one close to him has yet come out to say that, to their knowledge, he hadn't relapsed. Or have they and I missed it? Seems like an important point to make with the stories that circulated by other journalists about having had drinks with Hastings at some time in the recent past (going on memory here, but one was friend and one foe, IIRC).

The affirmative would require an admission by very close friends that would essentially smear the reputation of a beloved dead man. There's more at stake here than just the truth.

I hear that, but Hastings was devoted journalist committed to telling hard truths. I would hope one of his close associates would recognize the value in clarifying whatever uncertainties can be clarified. It's not a smear if it's the truth; it would simply be a matter of publicizing formerly private information that's become important in the unfortunate instance of a man's suspicious-seeming death. Hastings is not going to suffer from it's becoming public, and if he was clean, trustworthy people should go on record as saying so.

Keep me posted on your video brother, I am still working on some detailed responses to the questions you asked, stuff that may actually help you and not just shit we already know from articles. I am going to be a making a trip the crash site hope this weekend and maybe I can help you more, like I said before I do have media credentials that might help you and your partners get some access that you may not be able to get otherwise, buts its not NBC or CNN creds but it might be enough along with my law practice to compel the release of a police report which I understand the Dvorek lady was denied. I am also calling Mercedes to find ouy why in the fuck they are not going the extra mile to look in to how that car behaved the way it did.

I get the feeling from everyone I have talked to that nobody is willing to say or do anything until they get a tox report. And I think Mr fish already made the point that may not make a difference because even if he did relapse loved ones and colleagues will be hesitant to admit it and smear his name and rep, and as Fish said, there is indeed more at stake in regard that just the truth. I dont buy the relapse theory but I know addiction well enough to know that cant be taken off the table.

[Hunter]

Cuda could you read in to the FBI thing in email as paranoia fueled by a relapse and a request to go off grid as something along the lines of "I fucked up and relapsed and need time to get my shit back together again"


I guess I could read it that way.

[barracuda]

My thoughts on the email go like this: Staff Sgt. Biggs considered the panicked tone of the message to be out of character. "It doesn’t seem like him."

The email content itself, though, doesn't sound that way to me. Hastings makes a deliberate joke in the course of his message, it even feels cavalier. But Biggs knows him, and I accept his interpretation.

Then my question is: why would an FBI investigation significantly worry a man like Hastings, who has stood toe to toe with professional killers and three star generals? Who has lived in combat situations? Why would this inspire panic? It's hard for me to figure.

[thatsmystory]

Hastings could have relapsed and Philip Marshall could have snapped and murdered his kids. I get the caution to avoid "knowing they took him out." It was interesting to note the reporter's apprehension in the news clip when the issue of murder was broached. Evidently when it comes to powerful people it is beyond the pale to consider foul play. It reminds me of the JFK assassination. Some avenues of questioning were simply not up for review. Critical thinking is different from avoidance of any lines of questioning that would dare impugn the motives of powerful people.

[Hunter]

JFK JR too, according to close friends he was going to run for President in 2000 which was Bush's time and likely they had 9-11 already planned, Jr also said he was very close to exposing who killed his father after a return from a Cuba where he interviewed Castro for his magazine GEORGE.

I will never believe they didnt kill him, look in to the facts, W was at the airport at the exact same time JRs flight took off, coincidence maybe but if JR ran Bush would have had his ass handed to him, JR was loved and admired by all.


TWO very important people were killed before 9-11 the two very people who would have made a lot of noise, JFK Jr though his NY based magazine and Paul Wellstone both killed just before 9-11, you think they would have sat back and played by the rules?

[Hunter]

When Jr was killed it took all the political wind out of me, I honestly believe he may have been our last honest chance to save this country.

[pox americanus]

TWO very important people were killed before 9-11 the two very people who would have made a lot of noise, JFK Jr though his NY based magazine and Paul Wellstone both killed just before 9-11, you think they would have sat back and played by the rules?

Senator Wellstone died in the fall of 2002. Instead of the Boston Brakes he got the Missouri Flaps. It was the Feast that he threatened to spoil, not the place settings.

I agree, neither would have sat back as they both posed a very real threat to the narrative. As did the subject of this thread.

[Hunter]

TWO very important people were killed before 9-11 the two very people who would have made a lot of noise, JFK Jr though his NY based magazine and Paul Wellstone both killed just before 9-11, you think they would have sat back and played by the rules?

Senator Wellstone died in the fall of 2002. Instead of the Boston Brakes he got the Missouri Flaps. It was the Feast that he threatened to spoil, not the place settings.

I agree, neither would have sat back as they both posed a very real threat to the narrative. As did the subject of this thread.

You are correct and thank you for setting that straight, I dont want any disinfo coming from my posts but I still believe Wellstone would have been a real thorn in the side of the whole 9-11 thing had been around long enough.


Accidents do happen and not everything is a conspiracy but when people like Wellstone and Hastings are killed and there is a pattern of it, it just makes me wonder a little you know. Also I think JFK jr was killed as he was a real political threat that may have not played by their rules but then again now that we know the NS is likely blackmailing everyone in power we see so many, like Obama, who seemed to start out with good intentions, change as if almost overnight in to something other than what he once was. Strange that huh?