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There is a kernel of a real insight here, but somehow twisted into its thought-stopping opposite.Nordic » Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:58 am wrote:
To wit, you're either with us or you're against us. If you're agàinst what asshole A is doing you therefore worship asshole B.
If you think it's wrong and dangerous that Obama and the neocon gang are trying to provoke Russia into war, possibly risking WW3, and is supporting an evil neonazi cabal that is slaughtering thousands of innocent people then ... Automatically .... You think that Putin is a Saint.
If you hate white then you must be one of those people who worships black.
Ive just forgiven myself for giving it one last shot with you AD.]What the Spanish Prisoner is criticizing is the sort of mindless adherence towards a view which lets Putin off the hook and encourages not only blind devotion to "his side" but, at its most extreme, a cult of the personality, an extremely misguided sort of hero worship of Vladimir fucking Putin and, in effect, of the policies of the Russian State in general- including the radical nationalists/fascists, spooks and military proxies, about whom RI readers would be expected to show much more critical consciousness.
Where's the nuance in all that?
No it frikken is not.American Dream » Thu Jan 15, 2015 4:43 pm wrote:There is a kernel of a real insight here, but somehow twisted into its thought-stopping opposite.Nordic » Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:58 am wrote:
To wit, you're either with us or you're against us. If you're agàinst what asshole A is doing you therefore worship asshole B.
If you think it's wrong and dangerous that Obama and the neocon gang are trying to provoke Russia into war, possibly risking WW3, and is supporting an evil neonazi cabal that is slaughtering thousands of innocent people then ... Automatically .... You think that Putin is a Saint.
If you hate white then you must be one of those people who worships black.
What the Spanish Prisoner is criticizing is the sort of mindless adherence towards a view which lets Putin off the hook and encourages not only blind devotion to "his side" but, at its most extreme, a cult of the personality, an extremely misguided sort of hero worship of Vladimir fucking Putin and, in effect, of the policies of the Russian State in general- including the radical nationalists/fascists, spooks and military proxies, about whom RI readers would be expected to show much more critical consciousness.
Where's the nuance in all that?
Chicken Little Comes to CounterPunch
May 15, 2014
John Pilger
The May 14th edition of CounterPunch has an article by John Pilger with the ominous title of A World War is Beckoning. Pilger begins by asking a couple of rhetorical questions:
Uh, maybe because there is no threat of another world war in our name? I suspect that isn’t the answer that Pilger wants to hear. Later on, he writes:Why do we tolerate the threat of another world war in our name? Why do we allow lies that justify this risk?
Pilger needs to get a grip. Placing mild economic sanctions on Russia is not “threatening to take the world to war”.For the first time since the Reagan years, the US is threatening to take the world to war. With eastern Europe and the Balkans now military outposts of Nato, the last “buffer state” bordering Russia is being torn apart. We in the west are backing neo-Nazis in a country where Ukrainian Nazis backed Hitler.
There is evidence that the US has meddled in Ukraine’s internal affairs, but it doesn’t necessarily follow from this that the US “masterminded the coup in February”. And he offers no evidence for his amazing claim that US planned to seize Russia’s naval base in Crimea. This would have been an act of war, not to mention an incredibly stupid thing to do.Having masterminded the coup in February against the democratically elected government in Kiev, Washington’s planned seizure of Russia’s historic, legitimate warm-water naval base in Crimea failed.
This is an example of the Chicken Little argument that has become popular among the Left in recent years. For the past three years some on the Left have been screaming that Obama wants to go to war with Syria, yet said war has failed to materialize. We need to try to understand what the people in power are actually trying to do, rather than just assume that they have the most evil intentions imaginable.
There is a good deal that the Obama administration can be criticized for in this situation. And too many people in the media have given Obama a pass on this. (Even worse, some of them have urged the president to “get tough” with Putin.) There needs to be a congressional investigation of the role that the State Department and the CIA have played in the recent events in Ukraine. I’m afraid, however, that this will probably never happen. (Because, you know, Benghazi is far more important.)
And who would this "soros funded antifa" pro be?What do you expect, featuring dozens of posts from a Soros-funded, Soros-employed "Antifa" professional propagandist and your response to being reminded of that is determined shoe-gazing.
Joe Hillshoist » Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:59 am wrote:I can remember Pilger saying some pretty dumbfuck things - I don't remember them offhand, just remember thinking "did he really just say that?" - that thing about the navy base seems quite silly, and imo extremely unlikely but not necessarily beyond the realms of possibility.
Searcher ...
And who would this "soros funded antifa" pro be?What do you expect, featuring dozens of posts from a Soros-funded, Soros-employed "Antifa" professional propagandist and your response to being reminded of that is determined shoe-gazing.
This sentence betrays the author’s bias. Are those ‘screamers’ wrong? Does Obama, proxy for deep state actors, read MIC and Wall Street, not want to ‘go to war’, not really ‘war’, more like desire for total devastation, as has already been done in Iraq, Libya, and Afghanistan?For the past three years some on the Left have been screaming that Obama wants to go to war with Syria, yet said war has failed to materialize.
Really? It’s amazing how many people can be killed with American armaments, without there being a ‘war’.yet said war has failed to materialize
What an amazingly flaccid sentence. So what are the ‘people in power’ actually trying to do, bring peace and light to all mankind?
We need to try to understand what the people in power are actually trying to do, rather than just assume that they have the most evil intentions imaginable.
I dunno - you tell me.So what are the ‘people in power’ actually trying to do, bring peace and light to all mankind?
Really? you must at least have an opinion.I dunno - you tell me.
Published on Jan 14, 2015
VICE News and the New York Review of Books have partnered to create Talking Heads, a series about the big issues of the day as seen by the Review's distinguished contributors.
In this episode of Talking Heads, George Soros discusses his essay "A New Policy to Rescue Ukraine." Soros wrote the essay this month, calling on members of the European Union to behave as countries indirectly at war with Russia and to provide Ukraine with $50 billion to defend itself and kick-start political reforms. Russian President Vladimir Putin’s imperial ambition has unintentionally brought into being a new Ukraine that is adamantly opposed to endemic corruption and inefficient government. By offering assistance, Europe can foster an open society in Ukraine and protect itself from Russian aggression.
VICE News sat down with Soros to discuss why it is imperative that the EU wakes up and recognizes that the principles on which it was founded are at stake in Ukraine.
You implied you knew. I have no idea. I don't think they do either.Sounder » 16 Jan 2015 21:25 wrote:Really? you must at least have an opinion.I dunno - you tell me.
You first.
That is a sensible enough opinion, but it doesn’t really address what they are trying to do, as even blind men try to have goals.Sounder » 16 Jan 2015 21:25 wrote:I dunno - you tell me.
Really? you must at least have an opinion.
You first.
You implied you knew. I have no idea. I don't think they do either.
The blind lead the blind lead the blind lead the blind...
