2014 Malaysian Planes Lost: Pacific and Ukraine

[JackRiddler]

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Yeah as usual I gotta do the research on other people's claims myself.

Here we go:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... 24472_7256

This is Google's cache of http://vk.com/wall-57424472_7256. It is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on Jul 17, 2014 16:10:43 GMT. The current page could have changed in the meantime.

It leads to "post not found."

That's the Google cache (accessed by me at 19:00 EDT on 17-July-2014) of the supposed admission by the Donetsk militias at vk.com that they shot down a plane, thinking it was a Kiev military transport. They took down the boast a while later, when they realized they'd hit a passenger jet. (What the fuck were you thinking, airlines?! All of you!)

Those videos don't play for me, but you can see the thumbnail images.

Here's what the cached version has in Russian:

Сводки от Стрелкова Игоря Ивановича
17.07.2014 17:50 (мск) Сообщение от ополчения.

"В районе Тореза только что сбили самолет Ан-26, валяется где-то за шахтой "Прогресс".
Предупреждали же - не летать в "нашем небе".
А вот и видео-подтверждение очередного "птичкопада".
Птичка упала за террикон, жилой сектор не зацепила. Мирные люди не пострадали.

А также еще есть информация о втором сбитом самолете, вроде бы Су."
17.07.2014. В Торезе сбили самолет 1:12
В районе Снежного ополченцы сбили Украинский самолёт 17.07.2014 0:58

The Google translation:

https://translate.google.com/translate? ... edit-text=

Summaries of the shooting of Igor
17.07.2014 17:50 (MSK) Message from the militia.

"In the area Torrez just downed plane An-26, lying somewhere in the mine" Progress. "
Also warned - do not fly in "our sky."
And here is the confirmation of the next video "ptichkopada."
Bird fell for waste heap, the residential sector is not caught. Civilians are not injured.

And also have information about the second downed aircraft, like the Su. "
17.07.2014. In Tores downed plane 1:12
In the area of Snow Ukrainian militiamen shot down plane 17.07.2014 0:58
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What's this second downed plane he's talking about? Possible misunderstanding. No reports of two downings.

Now... ANYONE KNOW RUSSIAN OR UKRAINIAN?

Because here are supposed "intercepts" (from Kiev, I think) of the Donetsk militia talking about it:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uKjKntClRc

Is all this fakeable? Well, yes! That doesn't mean it's fake, however. Or that there's anything implausible about the shootdown in an area where the Donetsk militias had already had two successful shootdowns:



So what I'm saying is, we may know nothing for sure, but this is now the "nothing" we know.

Getting on to less certain evidence, here's one of your DU liberal imperialists claiming these are pictures of a BuK (a Russian military launcher of ground-to-air missiles) in the relevant area, and another supposed Donetsk sympathizer rhapsodizing over a picture of the supposed BuK in question:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?c ... pid=848750

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?c ... pid=848745

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[smiths]

i reckon this stuff should have its own thread

[seemslikeadream]

yep or the Ukraine thread would do

[MacCruiskeen]

^^ Not sure about that, smiths. Certainly Malaysia Airlines has been remarkably unlucky in recent weeks.

Lady Bracknell:

To lose one parent, Mr. Worthing, may be regarded as a misfortune. To lose both looks like carelessness.

http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/844

One Malaysia Airlines passenger jet goes missing completely, which is practically unprecedented in aviation history (and barely believable). Just a few weeks later, another (?) Malaysia Airlines passenger jet is shot down on the Russian border, thereby providing (according to a prominent corporate media source) a World-War-starting moment. At times like these, almost any amount of suspicion is justified, until it isn't any more.

[Harvey]

An 26? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-26

Don't know what they thought they were seeing.

[JackRiddler]

I vote we stick with this thread just because there have already been 30+ posts!!! What a pain to transplant all those, and they won't be in order...

Maybe we can request a mod to change it?

"Malaysian Airlines planes lost in 2014 - Vietnam, Ukraine"

[ShinShinKid]

Again, I have to do all the work for Jack, sheesh, will my ceaseless toil ever end...really just kidding, put the ink cartridge down...
Here's what I found, no, not all a neutral source, but neh...

[Harvey]

Anybody know if the altitude of the jet precludes the alleged weapons system, I'm clueless.

[ShinShinKid]

For the MANPADS, yes. For the BuK system, no. Please don't ask me how I know this, the dux are starting to think they can't trust me...

edited for this tidbit, guys' russian social media page...

https://vk.com/strelkov_info

[MayDay]

No reason to suspect this is a "capstone" event, Jack? Flight 17, a 777 is shot down over Ukraine on the 17th day of the 7th month of the 14th year, just after the announcement of an intl development bank to rival the western elite/ IMF. Plenty of reason to be relentlessly suspicious, far as I'm concerned.
Edited.

[MacCruiskeen]

No reason to suspect this is a "capstone" event, Jack? Flight 17, a 777 is shot down over Ukraine on the 17th day of the 7th month of the 14th year, just after the announcement of an intl development bank to rival the western elite/ IMF. Plenty of reason to be relentlessly suspicious, far as I'm concerned.
Edited.

I heard* it actually hit the ground at 7:77 pm, doing 777mph.

*Forgotten where. Maybe I just dreamt it.

[JackRiddler]

Jeez, if those are jokes, wait at least for all the bodies to be collected.

Speculation may resume in 36 hours, if the Donetsk militias do not by then confess to having shot at what they thought was a military transport. Because that's how it's looking, though looks can be deceiving, vkontake posts and "intercepted communications" can be faked, etc. etc.

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[MayDay]

Bad joke edited because Jack is right.

[ShinShinKid]

Sorry to come off cavalier, it's been quite an overload to the senses, lately.

[Ben D]

There was a another plane shot down recently, a Ukrainian Su-25 fighter aircraft......Ukraine Says Russian Plane Shot Down Its Fighter Jet