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Meet the man who inadvertently tweeted bin Laden raid
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Follow the money? In my view, that's not just the accusation of financing for the alleged 9/11 hijackers from Pakistan and ISI. Those would be important peanuts. Far more significant would be the flow of billions of dollars in US military aid to Pakistan over 30 years, only briefly interrupted for a few years after the nuclear tests, and which never seems to be affected by all these accusations of ISI support for terrorism. That kind of money buys a lot of relationships in a dirt-poor country where the military is the strongest institution, and it brings in a train of PMCs (private military contractors) with additional interests and relationships. It's in this context I feel we should view the constellation of all reports and claims coming out of Pakistan relating to OBL, Sept. 11 and "al-Qaeda." Remember, the ISI chief accused of involvement with the hijackers was in the US for more than a week leading up to his meeting with the intel oversight chiefs in Congress on the morning of Sept. 11th. (You hear that less frequently than you hear about him approving money wired to Atta at the same time.) Pakistan is always presented as a quasi-ally and the home of enemies. And yet this inherently unstable arrangement is maintained over so many years, and despite the enormous chaos and real carnage this helps bring forth in Pakistan. In that I see the outlines of a spook nexus that involves US elements employing Pakistani elements, some of them actually hostile to "America," as assets playing various roles within a larger intentionally confusing and chaotic scheme that generates the terror threat and counterterror operations simultaneously (also opening many opportunities for private profit). The likeliest scenario to my mind currently is that there was no surprise raid, there was a US theatrical production (involving real deaths) arranged with the knowledge of the top ISI elements and with the understanding that the aftermath would see every possible accusation leveled back and forth. It will be said on the hard side of US public discourse ("conservative" and "liberal") that Pakistan harbored OBL, and on the "conspiracy" side that CIA pulled a fast one on Pakistan by planting an OBL death theater of some kind inside Pakistan, but not that elements of ISI and CIA collaborated in pulling off an operation with benefits for the involved elements. Yet that is the hypothesis that will be supported, if you now see US politicians express hostility to Pakistan and then vote for the next aid package. That's what I'm predicting as likeliest, we'll of course likely return to this later and compare it to what actually happens.

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What--if any--conventional weapons would cause bleeding from the ears and eyes as found on the three corpses photographed at the site?

jack, you just articulated, pretty much to a "t", what i think the situation is there. it seems pretty obvious. you tidied it up into a nice package there.

most people still think of countries as these 100 percent autonomous entities, when in reality there's so much overlap its ludicrous. just look at all the countries halliburton does business with, i remember when gwb came out with his "axis of evil" nonsense, it was revealed that cheney's old company was heavily invested in all of them.

i wish to god it was mainstream knowledge, as it should be, that the isi and the cia ( and "al queda" for that matter) have a long history of collaboration in the area but the ptb dont want us to be aware of that.

8bitagent wrote:Yeah my heart sunk when I read the Parenti paper, saw the "BULLSHIT!" tv episode and saw other articles about pre China Tibet. Insanely disturbing. I guess things aren't as black and white as people make out.

Evil people are just like us, they like to be well thought of. They like the be thought of as victims too, like Killer Clinton's persecution by the vast right wing conspiracy. Same with Nelson Mandela, Gandhi, Mother Teresa, Princess Diana, and so on.

Up til recently I was tooting the "Pakistan and China are evil NWO tyrants" and Im sure we'll be getting enough of that served up on the news every day.

It is possible to be evil tyrants without being in the NWO.

yathrib wrote:What--if any--conventional weapons would cause bleeding from the ears and eyes as found on the three corpses photographed at the site?

Fuel/air ordinance, infrasound weapons, anything producing a large atmospheric change in pressure, such as any particularly large conventional explosion. Hydrostatic shock from rifle rounds, too. Or being beaten around the head with a blunt object, for that matter.

Yeah, I'm in the 'Jack's take' camp too, although the contrasting HamdenRice theory is tempting to those of us who hold out hope. I'm all hoped out and expect more of the same. Anyway...

Obama visits Ground Zero: 'We will never forget'
President meets with firefighters, police and then lays wreath at site


NEW YORK — On a mission to bury the memory of Osama bin Laden by honoring those who died in the fiery Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, President Barack Obama on Thursday visited firefighters and police who lost colleagues at New York's Ground Zero and then laid a wreath at the site.

"When we say we will never forget, we mean what we say," he said in brief comments to the firefighters and others at the station he visited in New York's theater district. The station lost 15 men during the attacks.

In his brief remarks, the president never mentioned bin Laden's name. At Ground Zero, Obama laid the wreath at the foot of the so-called Survivor Tree, which sustained damage during the attack but was freed from the rubble.

The president closed his eyes and clasped his hands at the outdoor memorial where the twin towers of the World Trade Center once dominated the Manhattan skyline.

He shook hands with 9/11 family members and others dressed in black at the site where the skyscrapers were brought down by planes commandeered by bin Laden's followers. Nearly 3,000 people were killed.

The president was to later hold private talks with some family members.

Obama's visit comes after he sharply rejected calls to release photos of a slain bin Laden so the world could see some proof of death. The president said he would not risk giving propaganda to extremists or gloat by publicizing grotesque photos of a terrorist leader shot in the head.
To those who keep on doubting, Obama said earlier this week, "You will not see bin Laden walking on this earth again."

His government, meanwhile, insisted the shooting of an unarmed bin Laden during a daring raid in Pakistan was lawful and in national self-defense.

Live blog posts from Ground Zero
Obama's New York visit is intended to have a measured tone — not a bookend to President George W. Bush's bullhorn moment, but more somber and private.

White House spokesman Jay Carney called it a "cathartic moment for the American people."

At Ground Zero, Obama visited a bustling construction site that bears little resemblance to the pit that became ground zero in the months after Sept. 11, 2001.

More propaganda at link-
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42910929/ns ... ?GT1=43001

Nordic wrote:

fruhmenschen wrote:Eyewitness To Bin Laden's Death Raid Says " Not True"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmlqiKtkhzk

I posted that earlier, and yeah, I think its significant. The guy is obviously just a fellow who hasn't been coached, hasn't read the script.

I doubt they would have interviewed him if they knew he lived two doors down and also owned the house right next door to the supposed OBL house.

He not only says there's no way it's true, he says the whole area is restricted, there's no way a helicopter or anything else could just fly in there. He said even to enter the neighborhood you had to have some kind of papers or an id card or whatever. It's a military area.

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I do, however, believe this neighbor.

A lawyer/skeptic friend of mine warned me that if I give any credence to his testimony, I better not watch any local news, for fear that I'm going to start believing every idiot on the block that they find to talk about "whahappened."

8bitagent wrote:BRILLIANT post. Best post I've seen on the young kids. You look at the Giffords Safeway massacre, which seemed with the animal die offs to kick off this march toward insanity...and the main face of the tragedy is a girl born in tragedy(9/11/2001) and died in tragedy. They call them both "millennials" and "post 9/11" kids growing up in the "new normal". Totally programmed kids out of Equalibrium, just with incessent ADD.

This is the "iGeneration", where everything is slick computer generated, instant texts/tweets/facebook and hyper cut surrealism. The ending scene of Social Network PERFECTLY captures the modern day stupor and sense of loneliness amongst emerging technology. I agree these kids are more programmed than ever, even their language is mind numbingly crude. "um, uh...and...uh, like...uh, so like, totally...gonna go to the mall, and like get some hella sick threads and a new case for my iphone". It's not their fault. Forced unnecessary SSRI drugs, parents who fill em with high fructose filled junk food, and a mentally compartmentalized fractured psyche. See the PBS Front Line documentary "Digital Nation" about all this...those dumbshit MIT students think they're being so clever with "multi tasking" when its doing the opposite stimulation to their brains.

Don't forget that their manner of speaking has now been influenced by the worst of the worst of MTV, VH1, and Bravo reality television, wherein the subjects' dialogue is so heavily edited so as to match the program's given agenda or to portray the highest level of conflict/drama possible, that they rapidly change pitch/tone/volume, often in mid-phrase (because the subject being recorded is saying these sentence fragments at different points in time, and they are simply cobbled together to attempt to create a cohesive pattern [it often fails]).

Unfortunately, I'm beginning to notice a lot of students speaking this way, just in the last number of years. It's a very obvious, stunted, pitching speech pattern. Since a portion of my research on the empire involves studying a small amount of reality television (usually while the [actually very discerning and wise] girlfriend watches, and I read a book or RI and listen in for the overt shit), I was able to recognize it.

I read on the Atlantic how Obama is "bowing to pressure from the ACLU and releasing 2000 Abu Gharib photos", which is pretty much a limited hangout to make liberals like us who question him think "Oh yeah, he's a good guy...just has to wiggle in room since hes under pressure from war hawks" blah blah.

Bruce Dazzling wrote:Speaks for itself.

Truth be told, I honestly see zero difference between bubba buford "that n-word wasnt born in America, god bless America!" and the average Obama worshipping, war loving liberal

So I have to say, in seeing what I wrote in my thread about the neo Nazi dad, I can see how the leftists got so swept into celebrating a death. It's a sad mindset which even Im not immune to from time to time when hearing of certain news.

Luther Blissett wrote:

Don't forget that their manner of speaking has now been influenced by the worst of the worst of MTV, VH1, and Bravo reality television, wherein the subjects' dialogue is so heavily edited so as to match the program's given agenda or to portray the highest level of conflict/drama possible, that they rapidly change pitch/tone/volume, often in mid-phrase (because the subject being recorded is saying these sentence fragments at different points in time, and they are simply cobbled together to attempt to create a cohesive pattern [it often fails]).

Unfortunately, I'm beginning to notice a lot of students speaking this way, just in the last number of years. It's a very obvious, stunted, pitching speech pattern. Since a portion of my research on the empire involves studying a small amount of reality television (usually while the [actually very discerning and wise] girlfriend watches, and I read a book or RI and listen in for the overt shit), I was able to recognize it.

Oh good point. Why the hell is it, even during the most racist of American times in the 18th, 19th and early 20th century both politicians to poor folks had such a rich vocabulary? Listen to speech from the 1890s, 1900s, 1910s, 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s.

Now its LOL k thx bye omg rlly?

Fucking texts, twitter...all part of the lexicon "BFF", "FAIL!", "MEH" Geezus h christ. People make fun of inner city people for a certain manner of speaking or southerners, they need to wake up and see how everyone has been conditioned to talk in this halted, braindead Idiocracy manner.

Loughner was crazy, possible manchurian, but I think he had a point about language and programming. The hyper super edited pg-13 ADD summer movie style is a sheer reflection of the times were living in. Gaga, Bieber, Akon, Kesha, etc. Shit im surprised movies arent 40 minutes with how ADD everyone is...gotta fuckin text every two seconds! Im an 18 year old who will die if i dont respond back every two seconds!

Man sometimes I want to take a time machine to simpler times

8bitagent wrote:So I have to say, in seeing what I wrote in my thread about the neo Nazi dad, I can see how the leftists got so swept into celebrating a death. It's a sad mindset which even Im not immune to from time to time when hearing of certain news.

Luther Blissett wrote:

Don't forget that their manner of speaking has now been influenced by the worst of the worst of MTV, VH1, and Bravo reality television, wherein the subjects' dialogue is so heavily edited so as to match the program's given agenda or to portray the highest level of conflict/drama possible, that they rapidly change pitch/tone/volume, often in mid-phrase (because the subject being recorded is saying these sentence fragments at different points in time, and they are simply cobbled together to attempt to create a cohesive pattern [it often fails]).

Unfortunately, I'm beginning to notice a lot of students speaking this way, just in the last number of years. It's a very obvious, stunted, pitching speech pattern. Since a portion of my research on the empire involves studying a small amount of reality television (usually while the [actually very discerning and wise] girlfriend watches, and I read a book or RI and listen in for the overt shit), I was able to recognize it.

Oh good point. Why the hell is it, even during the most racist of American times in the 18th, 19th and early 20th century both politicians to poor folks had such a rich vocabulary? Listen to speech from the 1890s, 1900s, 1910s, 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s.

Now its LOL k thx bye omg rlly?

Fucking texts, twitter...all part of the lexicon "BFF", "FAIL!", "MEH" Geezus h christ. People make fun of inner city people for a certain manner of speaking or southerners, they need to wake up and see how everyone has been conditioned to talk in this halted, braindead Idiocracy manner.

Loughner was crazy, possible manchurian, but I think he had a point about language and programming. The hyper super edited pg-13 ADD summer movie style is a sheer reflection of the times were living in. Gaga, Bieber, Akon, Kesha, etc. Shit im surprised movies arent 40 minutes with how ADD everyone is...gotta fuckin text every two seconds! Im an 18 year old who will die if i dont respond back every two seconds!

Man sometimes I want to take a time machine to simpler times

it's because they read well written books. written language even today significantly effects spoken language. I wont even mention the T word.

maybe you guys just need to get out more. not everyone talks that way.

"The written word is a lie." - Johnny Rotten