What is #Pizzagate?

[seemslikeadream]

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[Luther Blissett]

My methodology was inattention-ism, since I was responding to

Luther Blissett » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:20 am wrote:Any survivors, victims, or parents whose took their children out for pizza one day and lost them yet? No?

which was deemed relevant but I neglected to add the quote. My bad.

There are plenty of at-risk children (as listed by Searcher08) and institutions willing to turn a blind eye. Penn State's Sandusky recruiting victims into his charitable 'Second Mile', the Catholic Church, as examples. Victims come forward years later. Hence, the reference to The Finders, because it was specifically a Washington-based group and, regardless of the credibility of the Martinez memos, there were real children found, reported and documented.

I thought that there were immediate survivor claims in Sandusky's case, starting many years before the case broke. I'm thinking in particular of the instance where Sandusky broke down and confessed to a mother in her foyer, begging her for forgiveness, years before he was finally really caught. Not to mention the coverup job as carried out by Paterno.

Now in this case we have the reverse: a break, a wide-open one. Not even a faint whisper of an old claim by a parent or survivor from way back or recent history has emerged. This is the place to believe the far-out survivor testimony. I am a McMartin believer. Hell, I'm even a Ruwa believer. The same rigor and intuition doesn't apply at the Ping Pong parlor.

[Wombaticus Rex]

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This not the "make shit up file," SLAD. Thank you.

[seemslikeadream]

should have added quote I was responding to brekin is that ok that I was responding to him? ...thanks for the reminder sorry I broke the quote the quote rule in this fact based thread

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This not the "make shit up file," SLAD. Thank you.

There has been reams and reams of content about PG. It is only a matter of time before the "witnesses" and "survivors" come forward to audition and supply the fan fiction/testimonials.

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We can all invent any plausible scenario for things we cannot see, including crimes that can be committed without leaving a public trace, and it's reasonable to assume such crimes are out there. The possibilities for invention are literally infinite, including of plausible scenarios, as fiction demonstrates. Speculations are worthy and allowable, insofar as they might lead one to look in places where one might begin to find evidence, and as long as it is understood that they are speculations until forms of confirmation are found.
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Si, once you have "invisible" victims for "invisible" crimes then anything is possible. Tie those invisible crimes to public personalities who are forced to deny and prove their innocence from the invisible and it gets even murkier. Having to state, "No, I have not been involved in ritual murders in the basements of pizza parlors." opens the door that they'd be a person in the first place considered to be capable of such things. The more sinister and outlandish the charge the worse it is to even acknowledge, but of course, not acknowledging it only feeds the narrative that "they won't go there".

Also, (and I'm surprised this hasn't happen as of yet with PG) there are numerous unwell, attention seeking, legitimate and quasi-Munchausen syndrome sufferers who can tie their own tales into these larger templates. Sometimes these tales even have real abuse components, but there is a need to raise the stakes and further fabulate their horrific story to a larger and complex narrative to give their suffering a greater meaning. As you then have "visible" testimonials to the "invisible" crimes, that are completely unprovable, but near impossible to analyze because critics are charged with being both a victim blamer/shamer and flat earth denier you enter the realm of true pulp fiction.

There has been reams and reams of content about PG. It is only a matter of time before the "witnesses" and "survivors" come forward to audition and supply the fan fiction/testimonials. There was a slight misplacement when it landed (for specific contemporary political purposes it seems) which bunny hopped over similar current narratives. But PG seems to be rapidly back-filling and absorbing those to. If you build it, it will come.

[Iamwhomiam]

Amazing, really, it is. The Podesta Pizza Mansion!

I dare you to try to find some "breaking news" that contains much if anything that's "news" at all. Searching YT videos claiming "Pizzagate - Breaking News" leaves me ill.

[Wombaticus Rex]

should have added quote I was responding to brekin is that ok that I was responding to him? ...thanks for the reminder sorry I broke the quote the quote rule in this fact based thread

Word.

Have you ever seen Letterkenny? Canadian show about Canadians being Canadian, it's quite charming.



Anyways, they've got a colloquialism up yonder where they ask one another to "Take about 20 percent off there, bud" -- most of my short drive-by posts are just saying that. That's it, that's all.

I know you don't like being told what to do, what to post, what to think etc and have plenty of other critics to contend with, so I don't want to belabor any points here. I also don't want to see the next two pages of this thread turn into "the make shit up file."

[seemslikeadream]

again sorry for the attitude but I do find it funny that you are saying you don't want this to "turn" into a make shit up file in the next two pages looking back at the last 37 pages

but I will try and stay out of this lovely thread from now on ..although the smell of pizza is so tempting hard to do

no worries I am not planning on a tirade of c/p here

and I wouldn't want to be called a pizzagate McCarthyite, I get enough of that elsewhere and I am quite bruised to say the least

[Luther Blissett]

Those are some cute puppies my guy.

[divideandconquer]

No, he's not really exposing "pizzagate" but what is Hollywood's Ashton Kutcher's role in systemic or establishment pedophilia? He's an a-lister so it's very doubtful that he's genuine as we all know a-listers are nothing if not compromised.

I mean, Homeland Security called Ashton Kutcher for help? Really?

[JackRiddler]

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The last posting of trash by the "divideandconquer" online persona shows another thoroughly disgusting case of active mis-labeling by titling. While apparently any crap can be linked here, it should be a bannable offense to repost items packaged to intentionally mislead about the actual content by way of a false headline, and doubly so if it is contributing to the ongoing far-right assault on the very idea of factuality. In this case, the headline ("ASHTON KUTCHER EXPOSES PIZZAGATE") is diametrically and if anything slanderously opposite to the facts. A couple of minutes at the beginning of this video show Ashton Kutcher testifying before Congress on horrors he says he has witnessed in his work as an anti-trafficking activist. Kutcher mentions no names and nothing whatsoever about "Pizzagate," Clintons, Podesta, Haiti, or anyone else that the Nazilites have attempted to tie into their fantasized crime network (by a process of free association that always strictly follows the pattern of naming only Democrats). In the video, the fantasized material about "PG" follows the brief snippet of Kutcher, as if Kutcher had been endorsing the Nazilite PG fantasy. As if to underline the partisan slant of the propaganda, a bit from Tom Delay is then presented as though he's among the angels. In fact, Kutcher endorsed Hillary Clinton for president. Thus the video is a weapon of deception in a campaign of false propaganda. It also continues the offense of absorbing (and possibly discrediting) older and real scandals into the fictional PG framework. As a relatively minor additional complaint, I submit that those of us who bother to think and present original, researched posts on this board should not be burdened with floods of Nazilite propaganda to correct.

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[divideandconquer]

The last posting of trash by the "divideandconquer" online persona shows another thoroughly disgusting case of active mis-labeling by titling. While apparently any crap can be linked here, it should be a bannable offense to post material that intentionally misleads about the actual content by way of a headline, doubly so if it is contributing to the ongoing far-right assault on the very idea of factuality. In this case, the headline is diametrically and if anything slanderously opposite to the facts. A couple of minutes at the beginning of this video show Ashton Kutcher testifying before Congress on horrors he says he has witnessed in his work as an anti-trafficking activist. Kutcher mentions no names and nothing whatsoever about "Pizzagate," Clintons, Podesta, Haiti, or anyone else that the Nazilites have attempted to tie into their fantasized crime network (by a process of free association that always strictly follows the pattern of naming only Democrats). In the video, the fantasized material about "PG" then follows the brief snippet of Kutcher, however, as if Kutcher had been endorsing the Nazilite PG fantasy. In fact, Kutcher endorsed Hillary Clinton for president. Thus the video is a weapon of deception in a campaign of false propaganda. It also continues the offense of absorbing (and possibly discrediting) older and real scandals into the fictional PG framework. As a relatively minor additional complaint, I submit that those of us who bother to think and present original, researched posts on this board should not be burdened with floods of Nazilite propaganda to correct.

Nazilite propaganda?

Did you miss the part where I clearly stated that the video does NOT expose Pizzagate? But, I'm sorry it offends you so much. My question was about Ashton Kutcher's role, or the role of A-lister celebrities in maintaining the pedophocracy. I only watched Kutcher's testimony... I have no idea what the rest of the video is about. I posted it under "pizzagate" because the video is supposedly about this controversial topic. Maybe it was irresponsible of me to post it without watching the entire thing. Maybe this is a bannable offense...I don't know. I guess I'll find out.

[JackRiddler]

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It took me less than 10 seconds to find the Ashton Kutcher testimony, in original form, without editing, if that is what you wanted to post.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?424036-1/ ... rafficking

You could have also posted it in a thread that is about actual child abuse, and not a fabricated child abuse scandal hatched out of 4chan.

But you posted a video headlined with the slanderous claim that Ashton Kutcher was "exposing Pizzagate." Said video follows two minutes of Kutcher with 30+ of "PG" fantasy. Any falsification contributing to fictions under the "PG" label aids a Nazilite (Alt-Right) propaganda campaign that was invented to assist the election of Trump. Worse, as collateral damage, it absorbs and discredits actual abuse stories with actual victims. (It also serves to discredit the perfectly valid store of Podesta e-mails released by Wikileaks.) This might not be because you want to spread Nazilite propaganda, you may not even be able to spell the word. It may be because you are incapable of the simplest Internet search and altogether blind to any context or meaning of the trash you post, but if that is so, it highlights why a Too Stupid to Post rule might not be a bad idea.

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[Wombaticus Rex]

I only watched Kutcher's testimony... I have no idea what the rest of the video is about. I posted it under "pizzagate" because the video is supposedly about this controversial topic. Maybe it was irresponsible of me to post it without watching the entire thing. Maybe this is a bannable offense...I don't know. I guess I'll find out.

Not remotely a bannable offense (accusations against celebrities are as American as apple pie) but we could do without it, you know?

"It" being the "hey, here's a Youtube video I haven't really watched" -- feel free to keep on Miles Mathis'ing everyone in sight. This is a conspiracy theory discussion forum.

[JackRiddler]

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The video makes no accusation against Kutcher. It does slander him by stating that the Clinton endorser is actually an exponent of the fictional "Pizzagate" narrative, when he is not, but that's not my main complaint. It is the aggressive and intentionally misleading behavior of first, the uploader who took a video that said one thing and then intentionally titled it to suggest the opposite, for the purpose of misleading people in a propaganda war. It is the persistent behavior of posters here who play naive while constantly and uncritically disseminating Nazilite ("Alt-Right") propaganda -- or who really are that naive. I take the latter as worse. What has this persona ever contributed of value to this board, by the way? It's here to fill the place with junk -- coming up, more flat earth or the like. And it's excuse in this case is it didn't bother to watch the crap before posting it. This is a big reason why there is no culture of intelligent analysis and attempts to speculate with method about the dark matter of politics, but there is a deservedly ghettoized and even self-designated "conspiracy theory community" that basically functions to put the stink of stupid on anything that isn't WaPo approved.

(Admittedly there are posters here who are extreme right-wing and I mind a lot less, because they keep displaying several brain cells at a time, and they're not trying to camouflage behind a "neither left nor right" rhetoric that is clumsy & transparent.)

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[Luther Blissett]

Real child trafficking, abuse, and rape should not be discredited by being tied to an invented, victimless / survivorless fantasy.