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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:58 pm
by philipacentaur
robert d reed wrote:Image


Two Klansmen holding an air-to-surface bomb.

you too can play!

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:05 pm
by robert d reed
No, it's a 4-eyed Wile. E. Coyote.

or, it's the love child of Canada and the Soviet Union.

or it's the Devil, blowing his nose...

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:08 pm
by jingofever
philipacentaur wrote:Two Klansmen holding an air-to-surface bomb.


Nice meme-reversal. It clearly depicts Lee Harvey Oswalt placing a LIMPET MINE on JFK's forehead. And I believe I spy Lucien Conein in the background, but it could just be my overbearing father.

Gygax

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:46 pm
by professorpan
Why aren't there any cool Gary Gygax conspiracies?


Oh, but there are. Recall the fundamentalist reaction to D&D -- that it was designed to lure the misfit youths of America into the clutches of Old Scratch and his underlings. Magic, monsters, mystic powers, and 20-sided dice -- hell, if that ain't Satanism, I don't know what is.

(And that line-drawing of the succubus in the original monster manual... Jeebus! She certainly sent my pubescent mind into a sexual frenzy...)

I've pointed out to Hugh that his view of media control is quite similar to the Fundamentalists who see the machinations of Satan and his human minions in films, tv, and music -- just replace Satan with CIA. In fact, Hugh's confirmation bias-driven process of ferreting out "keyword hijackings" is the equivalent of a fundie listening to records backwards to hear the subliminal Satanic chants.

Re: Anti-conspiricism and coincidentalism, again.

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:14 pm
by Hugh Manatee Wins
professorpan wrote: In fact, Hugh's confirmation bias-driven process of ferreting out "keyword hijackings" is the equivalent of a fundie listening to records backwards to hear the subliminal Satanic chants.


The idea that Operation Mockingbird is not flourishing in Hollywood is contradicted by documentation despite Pan's efforts to deny such things are done or paint me negatively.

We've all seen the propaganda around 9/11 like the movie 'Flight 93.'

Back to the CIA-Hollywood counterpropaganda response to the threat of exposing the Gehlen Organization during the 1963-1965 Auschwitz trials in W. Germany-

Humor and fictionalization serve to mitigate the effect of hostile information.
I've already cited
>funny Nazis in Dr. Strangelove 1964
>funny Nazis in Hogan's Heroes 1965
>a Nazi novel from CIA decoy author Richard Condon 1964
> a keyword hijacking of Otto von Bolschwing into 'Mr. Buddwing' 1964

March 30, 1963 was the release date of an Orson Welles movie called
'The Trial' complete with a meme-reversal of Auschwitz at the very beginning.


Kafka's book of the same title was made by Orson Welles into a very surreal and noire-ish film starring 'Psycho' actor Anthony Perkins. The tense eastern European Stasi police-state atmosphere perfectly reflects the anti-communist messages coming out of Hollywood at the time like 'The Manchurian Candidate.'

The first few minutes opening the film are the meme-reversal of Auschwitz.
Orson Welles reads allegorical text over still image drawings of a skeletal man approaching an Auschwitz-looking fortress to dialogue with the guard about gaining entrance into 'The Law.' He is denied and kept outside the ediface to die.


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057427/quotes
[first lines]
Narrator: Before the law, there stands a guard. A man comes from the country, begging admittance to the law. But the guard cannot admit him. May he hope to enter at a later time? That is possible, said the guard. The man tries to peer through the entrance. He'd been taught that the law was to be accessible to every man. "Do not attempt to enter without my permission", says the guard. I am very powerful.


Perfect meme-reversal beginning a keyword hijacking of "trial" at precisely the time that the Auschwitz trial begin in W. Germany.

Welles previous collaboration with the producers of 'The Trial' was a 1960 movie called...
'Austerlitz' ...which was about Napolean.

http://www.tcm.com/thismonth/article/?cid=12691
The film project ('The Trial') began with the father-son producing team of Michel and Alexander Salkind who first worked with Welles on their production of Austerlitz (1960), a historic epic directed by Abel Gance. A few years later, when they offered Welles a part in Taras Bulba (1962), their discussions led to an offer for Welles to direct a literary classic from a list of over a hundred titles. In This is Orson Welles by Peter Bogdanovich (HarperPerennial), Welles said, "They had Kafka's The Trial on the list, and I said I wanted to do The Castle because I liked it better, but they persuaded me to do The Trial. I had to do a book - couldn't make them do an original....They thought The Trial was public domain, and then had to pay for it - but that's another story."


So Welles was steered into 'The Trial' by the same people who made 'Austerlitz.'

But Pan will tell you all is a coincidence signifying nothing and CIA and Hollywood would never do that.

Other "trial" propaganda films-

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076841/
The Trial of Lee Harvey Oswald (1977) (TV)
starring Ben Gazzara and Lorne Greene.

Timing: The beginning of the House Select Committee on Assassinations hearings.
Hijackijng: A 1964 independent film of the same title that tells some truth.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058687/

Another "trial" diversion film from the days when the FBI's COINTELPRO was murdering people in the American Indian Movement, a source of Ward Churchill's outrage-

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072317/
The Trial of Billy Jack (1974)
"Here's a man who speaks mysticism while (he) breaks arms and legs. He's the good guy with the black hat that tries to right wrongs with his hands and feet when words aren't enough."

Just the image the FBI promotes at just the right time.

And more. This forum has been overrun with jokers.

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:28 pm
by Jeff
Image

Re: Gygax

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:45 pm
by Et in Arcadia ego
professorpan wrote:(And that line-drawing of the succubus in the original monster manual... Jeebus! She certainly sent my pubescent mind into a sexual frenzy...)


Hey, I remember that one!

She was hot!

:D

Re: Gygax

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:50 pm
by Jeff
et in Arcadia ego wrote:
Hey, I remember that one!


Holy crap, me too.

Is this what happens to Dungeon Masters when they grow up?

Re: Gygax

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:59 pm
by Et in Arcadia ego
Jeff wrote:
et in Arcadia ego wrote:
Hey, I remember that one!


Holy crap, me too.

Is this what happens to Dungeon Masters when they grow up?


Image

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:05 pm
by Et in Arcadia ego
HAH!

Image

W00T!


Let's hear it for Evil Chicks!

:D

hmw

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:05 pm
by professorpan
But Pan will tell you all is a coincidence signifying nothing and CIA and Hollywood would never do that.


No, I will tell you it is your illogical and bias-ridden imagination running rampant, untethered from reality, plausibility, and common sense.

And your examples are growing increasingly nonsensical as you sink deeper and deeper into the quagmire you've created. Rather than admitting that you might be entirely wrong about your pet theory, you keep flailing about for the most flimsy and far fetched connections. As others have noted, it's moved beyond comical into the realm of paranoid schizophrenia.

If you keep posting your nonsense -- yes, it is nonsense, plain and simple -- then expect to be called out on it. And if you can't do as many have suggested, and detail the actual mechanics and logistics to support your examples, instead of cut/pasting text from Cold War propaganda manuals -- then you are wasting everyone's time.

I mean, how many times are you going to rehash the discredited hogwash about the the paper clips project, "little Eichmanns," and The Shaggy D.A. as if they're canonical history and not just your feverish, one-track imagination run amok?

You don't do research -- you create elaborate fantasies. I mean, c'mon, Hugh. If you really believed the paper clip project was a psyop, why wouldn't you take the time to talk to the teachers who came up with the idea in the first place -- long before it became a film? Might they give you some insight that would either confirm or deny your theory?

But no -- that would require picking up the fucking telephone and talking to a human being. It's much easier to google yourself into a frenzy and free-associate your way into a suitable confirmation.

It's because you don't want to do any real, hard research. And it's also because you fear you might be wrong -- and if just ONE of the tiddly-winks that built your "keyword hijacking" meta-conspiracy falls, your entire premise falls, too.

And one last thing -- stop calling me a liar. That's just fucking lazy.

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:05 pm
by brownzeroed
Is this what happens to Dungeon Masters when they grow up?


Best case scenario.

Image

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:45 pm
by orz
I've already cited
>funny Nazis in Dr. Strangelove 1964

And I've already roundly lambasted your moronic and evil implications about Strangelove.

But never mind that, the others seem to be responding to your posts in this thread in a much more apt way; ie totally ignoring them in favor of waxing nostalgic about D&D. Superb! :D

Re: Documents, history, theory and practice.

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:12 pm
by Hugh Manatee Wins
professorpan wrote:
But Pan will tell you all is a coincidence signifying nothing and CIA and Hollywood would never do that.


No, I will tell you it is your illogical and bias-ridden imagination running rampant, untethered from reality, plausibility, and common sense.


Can't stand the historical documentation of USG psy-ops in Hollywood and the extremely high correlation of decoy movies with scandal cover-ups?

.. smear adjectives smear framing smear diversions smear.....so much energy into attacking me personally.

Tell us about The Johnson Group, pan, who made the Paperclip Project?
I know you'd rather focus elsewhere but how about the film makers who got it onto the shelf in my video store?

What is their connection to the White House and Pentagon?
Who is Peter Schroeder? What does he do for a living?

Go do research, indeed.

How did the keyword "TEACUP RIDE" end up being used by AP as synonymous with "happy-lucky-wedding" right after someone DIED on the TEACUP RIDE at Disney?
(Disney is the USG since WWII.)

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=12263

This another one of your 'coincidences,' pan? Uh, right....keyword hijacking is the single most used tactic of USG counterpropaganda.

quote for Hugh

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:24 pm
by professorpan
Think upon this, Hugh:

At the heart of science is an essential tension between two seemingly contradictory attitudes - an openness to new ideas, no matter how bizarre or counterintuitive they may be, and the most ruthless skeptical scrutiny of all ideas, old and new. This is how deep truths are winnowed from deep nonsense.

--Carl Sagan