It always amuses me when engaging in conversation with the products of the literary wares of the Michael Barkun types.
You suggest to them a few incontestable facts about say Tonkin Gulf, Or the Gliwic Border incident, or some hard facts about the official conspiracy theory of 9/11, and you can see the corners of their faces begin to turn up, accompanied by "oh you must be a conspiracy theorist", or some other pig ignorant rhetoric.
The more dedicated Barkun advocates go on to become Mr Bilderbergers, or similar myopic minds.
And there goes AD accusing people of being 'smarmy conspiracy theorists"
That video I posted has its flaws for sure, but it points out in no uncertain terms who "the illuminati" are, and what they believe in, their esoteric symbolism, their history, you name it.
Obviously not good enough for barking and co.
One is simply left thinking, quite literally , "whatever".
Heres how to overthrow the illuminati. It cuts very much to the quick. No zillion page deconstruction neccesary. Straight simple, and downright dangerous if civilisation could deprogramme itself for long enough to understand it. Barking will of course be doiing is best to set all your fears to rest however. What a first rate Tosser.
I cannot begin to imagine how many tomes of Marx and all the rest of these well meaning dudes I'd have to wade through to get to a truth as concise as the above.
Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:48 pm
by American Dream
slimmouse » Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:39 am wrote:It always amuses me when engaging in conversation with the products of the literary wares of the Michael Barkun types.
You suggest to them a few incontestable facts about say Tonkin Gulf, Or the Gliwic Border incident, or some hard facts about the official conspiracy theory of 9/11, and you can see the corners of their faces begin to turn up, accompanied by "oh you must be a conspiracy theorist", or some other pig ignorant rhetoric.
The more dedicated Barkun advocates go on to become Mr Bilderbergers, or similar myopic minds.
And there goes AD accusing people of being 'smarmy conspiracy theorists"
That video I posted has its flaws for sure, but it points out in no uncertain terms who "the illuminati" are, and what they believe in, their esoteric symbolism, their history, you name it.
Obviously not good enough for barking and co.
One is simply left thinking, quite literally , "whatever".
Heres how to overthrow the illuminati. It cuts very much to the quick. No zillion page deconstruction neccesary. Straight simple, and downright dangerous if civilisation could deprogramme itself for long enough to understand it. Barking will of course be doiing is best to set all your fears to rest however. What a first rate Tosser.
I cannot begin to imagine how many tomes of Marx and all the rest of these well meaning dudes I'd have to wade through to get to a truth as concise as the above.
You go ahead and wrestle with your chosen strawmen, slim. And good luck- I hope you win!
Nobody is suggesting that powerful people don't conspire together, that government-sponsored covert action doesn't happen. And I certainly do think that smarmy conspiracy people exist- I have named Cooper, Shamir, LaRouche, Makow and others. Who would be so foolish, so dogmatic as to claim that smarmy conspiracy people don't exist?
As to the solution, there is of course a need to unite broad numbers of people, though not particularly with extreme reactionaries and/or the severely deluded. The central question concerns what sorts of principles to unite around and what sort of plan of action to undertake.
The sort of vague-to-meaningless platitudes you rely on really don't mean much of anything- certainly they don't constitute grounds for a thoughtful plan of action.
Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:11 pm
by seemslikeadream
You AD are the frickin' master of strawmen...no doubt...ya got a whole mega thread full of straw
Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:17 pm
by slimmouse
As to the solution, there is of course a need to unite broad numbers of people, though not particularly with extreme reactionaries and/or the severely deluded. The central question concerns what sorts of principles to unite around and what sort of plan of action to undertake.
This is the point at which we part company AD. You seem to believe that people are incapable of distinguishing between what is fundamentally right and wrong, and that subsequently everything that the likes of myself and others are saying needs to somehow be hammered out first.
Im afraid we're clearly seeing this from different angles. You may well be right actually. Im only leading with what my intuition tells me. Well perhaps Im being hard on myself there.
I know there is an "illuminati", Just like you and Barking do.
The difference is that I refuse to delude myself into thinking otherwise.
I think that cognitive dissonance is one of the biggest problems any kind of successful change will encounter.
As to the solution, there is of course a need to unite broad numbers of people, though not particularly with extreme reactionaries and/or the severely deluded. The central question concerns what sorts of principles to unite around and what sort of plan of action to undertake.
This is the point at which we part company AD. You seem to believe that people are incapable of distinguishing between what is fundamentally right and wrong, and that subsequently everything that the likes of myself and others are saying needs to somehow be hammered out first.
Im afraid we're clearly seeing this from different angles. You may well be right actually. Im only leading with what my intuition tells me. Well perhaps Im being hard on myself there.
I know there is an "illuminati", Just like you and Barking do.
So you're saying that all people need to do is feel the love?
As to the solution, there is of course a need to unite broad numbers of people, though not particularly with extreme reactionaries and/or the severely deluded. The central question concerns what sorts of principles to unite around and what sort of plan of action to undertake.
This is the point at which we part company AD. You seem to believe that people are incapable of distinguishing between what is fundamentally right and wrong, and that subsequently everything that the likes of myself and others are saying needs to somehow be hammered out first.
Im afraid we're clearly seeing this from different angles. You may well be right actually. Im only leading with what my intuition tells me. Well perhaps Im being hard on myself there.
I know there is an "illuminati", Just like you and Barking do.
So you're saying that all people need to do is feel the love?
No principles, no strategy, or maybe no action?
Non compliance is the action. Personally, locally, regionally, nationally et cetera. In any way you can possibly imagine, you dont comply. Its quite probably the only way. And of course it starts personally.
As to the solution, there is of course a need to unite broad numbers of people, though not particularly with extreme reactionaries and/or the severely deluded. The central question concerns what sorts of principles to unite around and what sort of plan of action to undertake.
This is the point at which we part company AD. You seem to believe that people are incapable of distinguishing between what is fundamentally right and wrong, and that subsequently everything that the likes of myself and others are saying needs to somehow be hammered out first.
Im afraid we're clearly seeing this from different angles. You may well be right actually. Im only leading with what my intuition tells me. Well perhaps Im being hard on myself there.
I know there is an "illuminati", Just like you and Barking do.
So you're saying that all people need to do is feel the love?
No principles, no strategy, or maybe no action?
Non compliance is the action. Personally, locally, regionally, nationally et cetera. In any way you can possibly imagine, you dont comply. Its quite probably the only way. And of course it starts personally.
As to the solution, there is of course a need to unite broad numbers of people, though not particularly with extreme reactionaries and/or the severely deluded. The central question concerns what sorts of principles to unite around and what sort of plan of action to undertake.
This is the point at which we part company AD. You seem to believe that people are incapable of distinguishing between what is fundamentally right and wrong, and that subsequently everything that the likes of myself and others are saying needs to somehow be hammered out first.
Im afraid we're clearly seeing this from different angles. You may well be right actually. Im only leading with what my intuition tells me. Well perhaps Im being hard on myself there.
I know there is an "illuminati", Just like you and Barking do.
So you're saying that all people need to do is feel the love?
No principles, no strategy, or maybe no action?
Non compliance is the action. Personally, locally, regionally, nationally et cetera. In any way you can possibly imagine, you dont comply. Its quite probably the only way. And of course it starts personally.
As to the solution, there is of course a need to unite broad numbers of people, though not particularly with extreme reactionaries and/or the severely deluded. The central question concerns what sorts of principles to unite around and what sort of plan of action to undertake.
This is the point at which we part company AD. You seem to believe that people are incapable of distinguishing between what is fundamentally right and wrong, and that subsequently everything that the likes of myself and others are saying needs to somehow be hammered out first.
Im afraid we're clearly seeing this from different angles. You may well be right actually. Im only leading with what my intuition tells me. Well perhaps Im being hard on myself there.
I know there is an "illuminati", Just like you and Barking do.
So you're saying that all people need to do is feel the love?
No principles, no strategy, or maybe no action?
Non compliance is the action. Personally, locally, regionally, nationally et cetera. In any way you can possibly imagine, you dont comply. Its quite probably the only way. And of course it starts personally.
Turn On, Tune In, Drop Out???
I sometimes wonder if youre trying to provoke me into giving you a few routes of totally effective non compliance which would bring the house of cards down in a flash, were enough people truly adequately informed of "the apparently non existent illuminati"
such suggestions would however incriminate me, despite my thoughts being of absolutely zero physical danger to anyone. But hey, thats law for you.
Put your mind to useful work AD.
Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:02 pm
by American Dream
So you've got a secret plan to save the planet but no one can know it?
AD, thats a very good idea. You appear to have gone into schoolboy mode again.
Non Compliance AD. Do it, and dont beat youreslelf up if it fails. At least you've given it your best shot. Thats what Im trying to do.
Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:15 pm
by American Dream
I certainly could endorse the idea of a general strike but the devil is in the details. What do we think is wrong with the status quo? How shall we organize ourselves? What kind of economics will we practice? How will decisions be made? What sort of principles are central to what we are doing? What tactics shall we practice? What is our overall strategy?
Vague platitudes ain't gonna get it...
Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:41 pm
by slimmouse
American Dream » 30 Aug 2013 18:15 wrote:I certainly could endorse the idea of a general strike but the devil is in the details. What do we think is wrong with the status quo? How shall we organize ourselves? What kind of economics will we practice? How will decisions be made? What sort of principles are central to what we are doing? What tactics shall we practice? What is our overall strategy?
Vague platitudes ain't gonna get it...
Yes. Not with you at least.
I actually interupted this myopic discussion originally, to inform people that "the illuminati" do very much exist, despite all denials of such.
Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:04 pm
by Project Willow
slimmouse wrote:
I actually interupted this myopic discussion originally, to inform people that "the illuminati" do very much exist, despite all denials of such.
I'd like to see an evidence-based argument for that, meaning the contemporary version of course. I've had unfortunate contact with a number of folks on whom some would apply that label, but I never heard these people refer to themselves as such, but then again, I have no memory of a project Monarch being mentioned either, so maybe I've just got it all wrong.
