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Re: The Music of 9/11 Clairvoyance (Radiohead at Suffolk Dow

Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:56 pm
by FourthBase
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Every time I look at it, I see more.

This time, I noticed that there are words scratched into the canvas on the left side, near the flames and in the black hole-ish object. Zoom in, you'll see them. I can't quite make out the exact words. Anyone know of a way to contrast the image to make the words clearer?

Re: The Music of 9/11 Clairvoyance (Radiohead at Suffolk Dow

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 4:49 pm
by Laodicean
Some clairvoyance must be flowing through you, FourthBase. Radiohead released all their studio albums to stream free on YouTube.

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https://www.youtube.com/user/radiohead

Re: The Music of 9/11 Clairvoyance (Radiohead at Suffolk Dow

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 4:58 pm
by Harvey
I have to admit, this still makes me laugh.
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Re: The Music of 9/11 Clairvoyance (Radiohead at Suffolk Dow

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 5:11 pm
by Laodicean
:lol:

Re: The Music of 9/11 Clairvoyance (Radiohead at Suffolk Dow

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 10:18 pm
by FourthBase
Laodicean » 24 Dec 2019 15:49 wrote:Some clairvoyance must be flowing through you, FourthBase. Radiohead released all their studio albums to stream free on YouTube.

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https://www.youtube.com/user/radiohead
Well, now. :partyhat To honor the occasion, then: Shall I try to put Klosterman to shame with an actual essay? What do you guys think I'd need to do to bring this half-assed thread together into something full-assed and publishable?

Re: The Music of 9/11 Clairvoyance (Radiohead at Suffolk Dow

Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2019 9:00 am
by Elvis
FourthBase wrote:Zoom in, you'll see them. I can't quite make out the exact words. Anyone know of a way to contrast the image to make the words clearer?
Do these help?
radiohead visual A.jpg
radiohead visual B.jpg

Re: The Music of 9/11 Clairvoyance (Radiohead at Suffolk Dow

Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2019 9:52 am
by FourthBase
Kind of helps to have it zoomed like that in a static image, thanks. But just like when I zoom in on the original, I can at best make out two or three letters here and there. Maybe an upside down TRUTH in the top left of the first one, and in the second one maybe NEWsomething and REsomething and FORsomething?

Re: The Music of 9/11 Clairvoyance (Radiohead at Suffolk Dow

Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2019 10:09 am
by Harvey
Larger version here, a little xmas prez: http://www.slowlydownward.com/wp-conten ... esis-2.jpg

Re: The Music of 9/11 Clairvoyance (Radiohead at Suffolk Dow

Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:05 pm
by Laodicean

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPjQ-I4Tu24

They used this clip from Three Days of the Condor (1975) as a sample for the track Fitter Happier, from OK Computer.

Re: The Music of 9/11 Clairvoyance (Radiohead at Suffolk Dow

Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:51 pm
by FourthBase
Laodicean » 02 Jan 2020 17:05 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPjQ-I4Tu24

They used this clip from Three Days of the Condor (1975) as a sample for the track Fitter Happier, from OK Computer.
Terrific catch, Laodicean. Thank you. I'll save you the trouble of spelling out what you presumably found noteworthy. Never read the book or seen the movie myself. But the wiki summary is interesting enough.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_D ... the_Condor
Joe Turner (Robert Redford) is a bookish CIA analyst, code named "Condor". He works at the American Literary Historical Society in New York City, which is actually a clandestine CIA office. The seven staff members read books, newspapers, and magazines from around the world, looking for hidden meanings and other useful information. Turner files a report to CIA headquarters on a thriller novel with some strange plot elements, noting the unusual assortment of languages it has been translated into (despite not selling well).

On the day Turner is expecting a response to his report, he steps out, through a back basement door, to pick up staff lunches at a nearby deli. Meanwhile, armed men enter the office and murder the other six staffers. Turner returns to find his coworkers dead; frightened, he grabs a gun and exits the building. He contacts the CIA's New York headquarters in the World Trade Center from a phone booth and is given instructions to meet Wicks, his head of department, who will bring him to safety. But the rendezvous is a trap. Wicks shoots an accompanying CIA staffer and attempts to kill Turner, who wounds Wicks before escaping.
So Radiohead chooses to sample a line from that movie, and by sample a line that means playing the line on a loop through nearly the entire song. The movie's hero detects hidden meanings planted in seemingly innocuous art. The phone conversation he has is with a man at New York CIA headquarters in the World Trade Center. The line that man says which Radiohead sampled and looped is: "This is the Panic Office, section 917 may have been hit. Activate the following procedure." Now, I usually think of numerological hypotheses as wet farts, but 917 is not too far, visually anyway, from 911. Maybe the original author chose it precisely to resonate with the emergency code. Still...interesting.

Obviously the WTC had already been attacked in 1993, a few years before OK Computer, so that could have been a factor. Doesn't really explain the obsessiveness with that line, or the countless airplane illusions in the artwork, or the Kid A painting, or...now that I look at it again...that OK Computer cover. The "lost child" pair now looks way more like it was meant to convey an 11. The road still only looks vaguely like a 9.

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That road is a highway junction in Connecticut.

https://www.wnpr.org/post/fans-id-locat ... tford-conn
It's the junction of Interstates 84 and 91 in Hartford, Connecticut.
:shrug:

Apparently it was taken by the band itself from the window of a Hilton hotel on one of the last tour stops before recording OK Computer. The photo itself would have been square, so Donwood or somebody painted on it in a way that just happened to vaguely resemble a 9.

What would Joe Turner think?

Re: The Music of 9/11 Clairvoyance (Radiohead at Suffolk Dow

Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:29 pm
by norton ash
Down memory lane with 3 Days of the Condor:
Turner: Do we have plans to invade the Middle East?
Higgins: Are you crazy?
Turner: Am I?
Higgins: Look, Turner…
Turner: Do we have plans?
Higgins: No. Absolutely not. We have games. That's all. We play games. What if? How many men? What would it take? Is there a cheaper way to destabilize a regime? That's what we're paid to do.
Turner: So Atwood just took the games too seriously. He was really going to do it, wasn't he?
Higgins: A renegade operation. Atwood knew 54/12 would never authorize it, not with the heat on the company.
Turner: What if there hadn't been any heat? Suppose I hadn't stumbled on their plan?
Higgins: Different ballgame. Fact is, there was nothing wrong with the plan. Oh, the plan was all right, the plan would've worked.
Turner: Boy, what is it with you people? You think not getting caught in a lie is the same thing as telling the truth?
Higgins: No. It's simple economics. Today it's oil, right? In ten or fifteen years, food. Plutonium. And maybe even sooner. Now, what do you think the people are gonna want us to do then?
Turner: Ask them.
Higgins: Not now — then! Ask 'em when they're running out. Ask 'em when there's no heat in their homes and they're cold. Ask 'em when their engines stop. Ask 'em when people who have never known hunger start going hungry. You wanna know something? They won't want us to ask 'em. They'll just want us to get it for 'em!
Turner: Boy, have you found a home. There were seven people killed, Higgins.
Higgins: The company didn't order it.
Turner: Atwood did. Atwood did. And who the hell is Atwood? He's you. He's all you guys. Seven people killed, and you play fucking games!
Higgins: Right. And the other side does, too. That's why we can't let you stay outside.

Re: The Music of 9/11 Clairvoyance (Radiohead at Suffolk Dow

Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:06 pm
by Grizzly
^^^

54/12? What's that code for? it's certainly not hwy's ...

Re: The Music of 9/11 Clairvoyance (Radiohead at Suffolk Dow

Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:41 pm
by Laodicean
"This is the Panic Office, section 917 may have been hit. Activate the following procedure." Now, I usually think of numerological hypotheses as wet farts, but 917 is not too far, visually anyway, from 911. Maybe the original author chose it precisely to resonate with the emergency code.
9 11 the two towers

9 1 7 WTC 7? :blankstare Pull it.

Re: The Music of 9/11 Clairvoyance (Radiohead at Suffolk Dow

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 7:51 pm
by Laodicean

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uYWYWPc9HU

You might want to put this one on repeat, FB.

Re: The Music of 9/11 Clairvoyance (Radiohead at Suffolk Dow

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 9:06 pm
by FourthBase
Laodicean » 05 Jan 2020 18:51 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uYWYWPc9HU

You might want to put this one on repeat, FB.
When you try on exaggerated stances full of inhumane logic in order to show other people that, in their obverse version of those stances, they've lost themselves, you have not, in fact, lost yourself.

Besides, how would the song not be applicable both ways? You can't imagine Trump tunelessly singing along to "This is what you get" yesterday? If the song has any depth, it's that it's an endlessly reversible cycle.