American Dream » Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:28 pm wrote:Searcher08 » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:19 am wrote:American Dream » Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:04 pm wrote:Canadian_watcher » Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:06 am wrote:well that's bogus because they can teach about the Second World War Holocaust without traumatizing little kids. And you know it.
They don't bother to traumatize little kids about the Native populations that were decimated, for one example and yet they teach about the colonization of America.
They also don't teach children about Palestine. At all.
Traumatizing kids and not teaching specific incidents of colonialism are wrong of course but these are other issues.
I stand by my previous statement that "your position that Rothschild Zionism theory is not racist and that the teaching of the Nazi Holocaust is the real danger shows how pernicious and compelling some of those problems actually are...
So what are your thoughts on the Rothschilds?
Subject for serious investigation? or a Flat Earth theory? An example of racism?
Some or all or none of the above?
I'm not really up for a discussion with you till the unfinished business between us is resolved.
I'll simply say that Rothschild family members certainly have held a place in the ruling class- and some certainly still do. A deep politics map of the world should include them.
That said, David Icke's Rothschild Zionism theory is deeply racist, misguided and unhelpful, for reasons already laid out and more that will be to come.
You can pm me if you want but that's it for me with dialogue with you here.
This is important for me to write, because this thread has been taking place at multiple levels - content, context and meta-context.
A dialogue is a state where two people are listening to each other - and I am not experienceing yout listening to me. I politely asked you previously to show empathy with slad slim CW and myself and that then I would (in private if you prefer) discuss what were behaviours I had an issue with.
I explained previously the need to do it in that order .
It is not a 'commutative' operation any more than in cooking boiling followed by baking produces the same result as baking followed by boiling(!)
and if it wasnt done in that order it would be more of the same.
You declined to do that -fair enough. Anything which didnt start with empathy would perpetuate the pattern - which is precisely what then happened:
You created another double bind- that
you were 'willing to entertain my request' to go first on this, as long as...
you could go first.
At no point AFAIK have you commented about a major long standing member has stopped posting because of how she felt she was treated. Three *other* people have described the experience of being 'driven crazy'.
This is the 'elephant in the room'. You are not the one who has been affected enough to leave.
Having an attitude of "Sod that, Im not speaking to you till you show me what you were whining about - which I'll show is a load of crap. Hrrumph!" sure aint dialogue.
IMO
Your content is about Icke and is mostly secondaty or tertiary sources.
Your context is that we (Slad, CW, Slim and myself) may be nice people but are we are supporters of vile racist ideas and Holocaust Denial authors and Rothschild Zionism fans and are a demonstration of how dangerous David Icke is.
Your meta-context is activism and what gets the job done making good things happen in the world and fighting injustice
My content has been to answer specific questions about what I think about different areas of what he talks about - which to me is actually asking for a 'global map' of paraculture - surely a fascinating question, no? For example, around ETI, I think of Rich Dolan and Tim Good, not Icke.
My context is doing my best to show communication patterns in action and to facilitate changing them to ones which are more productive and constructive.
My meta-context is to be a catalyst and embody love, creativity, excellence and humour.