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An uptick in hate crimes would not surprise me in the least. In fact, it's one of the main things I fear in the next (say) 6-12 months.

However, in all of the hand-wringing about Trump's victory, I've noticed a few things in mainstream news articles, i.e. the tendency to malign certain groups with which I happen to be reasonably well acquainted (online). One example is the GamerGate. Almost always in these articles, "GamerGater" is used as a smear, kind of a synonym for "basement-dwelling neckbeard". My experience of these folks on Reddit is quite different. Whether or not you agree with their stances (e.g. many of them are Trump supporters, and I am not), the culture is totally mischaracterized. My experience - and my reason for tuning in on Reddit - is that their major issues are around ethical abuses in the media, and whatever "misogyny" exists is limited to countering ridiculous feminist (or whatever) demands on the gaming industry (e.g. the contradiction that exists between wanting "more female villains" and then decrying "violence against women" when the female villains are delivered, or else criticizing the "unrealistic" T&A aesthetic of female characters while totally ignoring the fact that almost every male character is unrealistically ripped).

The disconnect between my experience and the media characterization makes me wonder what else is being spun.

Belligerent Savant » Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:29 pm wrote:

Iamwhomiam » Tue Dec 06, 2016 5:28 pm wrote:

Belligerent Savant » Sun Dec 04, 2016 4:10 pm wrote:

Iamwhomiam » Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:37 pm wrote:
Next 8bit wrote,

There's been a lot of violence against Trump supporters too, which makes me think there is a hidden power that wants to see both sides go nuts.

Please provide some evidence of your claim, or please retract it as untruthful.

You must have missed my postings on page 1 of this thread:

Belligerent Savant » Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:58 am wrote:.

There is also THIS as well that should be considered as part of the overall conversation on this topic:

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Ever wonder why that first video was booted? Two were of the same incident, from different views, which proves nothing as to motive or whether it was unprovoked. There is no confirmation from the assaulted fellow that he was in fact a Trump supporter, noe whatsoever. Did the white driver shout some racial epithets before being accosted?

Same thing about the uptown subway guy, unprovable allegations. Or the Trump supporter handing out Trump brochures at a polling place, did she pepper spray the guy before he allegedly knocked her down? And you don't think it odd that he was not arrested?

Tell me, how many women do you know that would be able to reach into their purse to get their pepper spray, after being knocked down, while a man is on top of her, punching her? Could it be true that it occurred as claimed? And you don't think it odd that he was not arrested? Of course we all know how honest some Trump supporters are. Far be it for any to lie.

Two others were high school altercations, and one was a sort of bar fight.

Clearly, it is not a simple one-sided situation we're dealing with.

So, why does it seem you're trying to make it a one-sided situation, posting all those videos showing black violence against whites?

I asked for evidence of rampant violence against Trump supporters, not a few biased videos.

Part of your reply is wrongly attributed to me -- you'll want to correct that.

I am reading a number of presumptions in your response that I didn't see applied for the other incidents referenced here.

I'll try to keep this as simple as possible:

Have these people become racist now because Trump is president-elect (or conversely, because Hillary isn't), or are these traits already inherent in these humans looking for outlets now to justify sentiments long-held? How much of a role has the media played in fanning these flames of hatred, which some of you are now posting here as virtual amplifiers, seemingly free of any context and/or realization that you're contributing to the rabble?

The links I posted -- temporarily participating in the LINK-GASMS going on here of late Re: this "election" -- were part of a larger point: there are crappy humans out there looking for excuses to express fundamentally flawed thinking; there are also humans out there that are prone to manipulation by various forms of media, exacerbating festering, diseased mindsets. This is NOT a recent phenomenon, not by a longshot.

This shit speaks to an ingrained long-term problem inherent within a portion of the population well beyond any influence by TRUMP. To imply along such lines is lazy, facile thinking (regardless of TRUMP's skilled trolling manipulation of said diseased brains).

There are myriad factors at play here, many long-running.

TRUMP's election may be part of an unconscious collective expression manifesting itself RIGHT NOW in this zeitgeist as part of a necessary cleansing process; eventually, our demons shall be exorcised. Or not.

Another, less optimistic thought: human flaws -- such as RACISM -- are destined to repeat throughout the lifespan of the species regardless of attempts to curtail them, barring a sudden evolution of mind or intrusion by an exterior force/alien race.

Fanciful thoughts aside -- and in short: there is no "RISE" of Bigotry in America. It was here at America's birth; it'll be here at its death.

I am reading a number of presumptions in your response that I didn't see applied for the other incidents referenced here.

Have these people become racist now because Trump is president-elect (or conversely, because Hillary isn't), or are these traits already inherent in these humans looking for outlets now to justify sentiments long-held?

How much of a role has the media played in fanning these flames of hatred, which some of you are now posting here as virtual amplifiers, seemingly free of any context and/or realization that you're contributing to the rabble?

The links I posted -- temporarily participating in the LINK-GASMS going on here of late Re: this "election" -- were part of a larger point: there are crappy humans out there looking for excuses to express fundamentally flawed thinking; there are also humans out there that are prone to manipulation by various forms of media, exacerbating festering, diseased mindsets. This is NOT a recent phenomenon, not by a longshot.

Searcher08 » Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:21 pm wrote:

slomo » Sun Dec 04, 2016 8:34 pm wrote:

Nordic » 04 Dec 2016 12:26 wrote:It's my understanding that the "SJW" term itself was self-given by these internet bullies who are, indeed, sullying very words themselves.

It's a shame because, as Joe points out, a "social justice warrior" should be a good thing.

But that's how our society works. Right now I refuse to be labeled a "liberal" because our fucked-up society has decided that Democrats, who are currently quite fascist, are still "liberals". Hillary the "liberal".




Fuck that shit.

I dont have a label any more. I have no idea what to call myself. (I know several of you would like to call me all kinds of names but that's not what I'm talking about)

It's best not to label oneself, because all labels are corruptible.

The term SJW should mean something good, but it doesn't. It means pedantic, academic attention to the minutiae of identity politics, instead of a true viewing of other individuals (white/brown/black, male/female, homosexual/heterosexual, etc.) principally as human beings deserving of dignity. I've seen close-up several implementations of "diversity" efforts, and even though some (not all) of the individuals involved have good intentions, the effect of these efforts is to sow more division and alienation.

Werd
Martin Luther King jr is a racist by SJW logic because he actually preached 'color blindness'. SJWs see 'color blindness' as racism. Fundamentalist Identifarians.

Luther Blissett » 07 Dec 2016 13:51 wrote:

Searcher08 » Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:21 pm wrote:

slomo » Sun Dec 04, 2016 8:34 pm wrote:

Nordic » 04 Dec 2016 12:26 wrote:It's my understanding that the "SJW" term itself was self-given by these internet bullies who are, indeed, sullying very words themselves.

It's a shame because, as Joe points out, a "social justice warrior" should be a good thing.

But that's how our society works. Right now I refuse to be labeled a "liberal" because our fucked-up society has decided that Democrats, who are currently quite fascist, are still "liberals". Hillary the "liberal".




Fuck that shit.

I dont have a label any more. I have no idea what to call myself. (I know several of you would like to call me all kinds of names but that's not what I'm talking about)

It's best not to label oneself, because all labels are corruptible.

The term SJW should mean something good, but it doesn't. It means pedantic, academic attention to the minutiae of identity politics, instead of a true viewing of other individuals (white/brown/black, male/female, homosexual/heterosexual, etc.) principally as human beings deserving of dignity. I've seen close-up several implementations of "diversity" efforts, and even though some (not all) of the individuals involved have good intentions, the effect of these efforts is to sow more division and alienation.

Werd
Martin Luther King jr is a racist by SJW logic because he actually preached 'color blindness'. SJWs see 'color blindness' as racism. Fundamentalist Identifarians.

Starting around the 1980s it became a fun thing for white people to say "I don't see color" while the War on Drugs was disproportionately targeting black men even though white men abused drugs at the same rates, stop and frisk laws started targeting people of color, people with non-white sounding names couldn't get a call back but would when they whitewashed their resumes, etc etc. Not seeing color admitted that you were blind to institutional plights of people of color. Since that particular lovely bit of liberalism accelerated after his death, it's not what was meant by color blindness. Social justice activists are absolutely correct in criticizing those who refuse to look at systematic racism.

Belligerent Savant » Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:37 pm wrote:.

stillrobertpaulsen » Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:01 pm wrote:One is an indifferent, possibly cold autocrat and the other is an overheated borderline fascist. I think the fascist is more dangerous for society than the autocrat. Do you?

You say either and I say either,
You say neither and I say neither
Either, either neither, neither
Let's call the whole thing off.
You like potato and I like potahto
You like tomato and I like tomahto
Potato, potahto, tomato, tomahto.
Let's call the whole thing off

Belligerent Savant » Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:29 pm wrote: I'll try to keep this as simple as possible:

Have these people become racist now because Trump is president-elect (or conversely, because Hillary isn't), or are these traits already inherent in these humans looking for outlets now to justify sentiments long-held?

stillrobertpaulsen: But I really think we're moving into uncharted dark territory here with this administration. Maybe I'm wrong. But I think it's important to document and keep our eyes open.

seemslikeadream » Sun Dec 04, 2016 8:18 pm wrote:6 down 894 to go

yea it is one sided


give me 800 more examples and I'll call it even

of course Patch is gonna find one..that's what they do

OMG...a cut elbow....let me know when the police start killing white boys

The student was found with scraps on his knee and he told police he hit his head. The young man walked himself to an ambulance. Police said he went to a hospital to get checked out.

It's not clear who instigated the fight

scraps on the knee ..poor baby

white boys have always had it so very hard in this country

slomo » Wed Dec 07, 2016 5:06 pm wrote:

Luther Blissett » 07 Dec 2016 13:51 wrote:

Searcher08 » Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:21 pm wrote:

slomo » Sun Dec 04, 2016 8:34 pm wrote:

Nordic » 04 Dec 2016 12:26 wrote:It's my understanding that the "SJW" term itself was self-given by these internet bullies who are, indeed, sullying very words themselves.

It's a shame because, as Joe points out, a "social justice warrior" should be a good thing.

But that's how our society works. Right now I refuse to be labeled a "liberal" because our fucked-up society has decided that Democrats, who are currently quite fascist, are still "liberals". Hillary the "liberal".




Fuck that shit.

I dont have a label any more. I have no idea what to call myself. (I know several of you would like to call me all kinds of names but that's not what I'm talking about)

It's best not to label oneself, because all labels are corruptible.

The term SJW should mean something good, but it doesn't. It means pedantic, academic attention to the minutiae of identity politics, instead of a true viewing of other individuals (white/brown/black, male/female, homosexual/heterosexual, etc.) principally as human beings deserving of dignity. I've seen close-up several implementations of "diversity" efforts, and even though some (not all) of the individuals involved have good intentions, the effect of these efforts is to sow more division and alienation.

Werd
Martin Luther King jr is a racist by SJW logic because he actually preached 'color blindness'. SJWs see 'color blindness' as racism. Fundamentalist Identifarians.

Starting around the 1980s it became a fun thing for white people to say "I don't see color" while the War on Drugs was disproportionately targeting black men even though white men abused drugs at the same rates, stop and frisk laws started targeting people of color, people with non-white sounding names couldn't get a call back but would when they whitewashed their resumes, etc etc. Not seeing color admitted that you were blind to institutional plights of people of color. Since that particular lovely bit of liberalism accelerated after his death, it's not what was meant by color blindness. Social justice activists are absolutely correct in criticizing those who refuse to look at systematic racism.

This is a fair point: disparities are a real thing, and can be teased out of the statistics (although confounding by socioeconomic class does complicate matters). Structural (socioeconomic and racial) injustices are a worthy target to attack.

My beef is with the psychology, the lack of sensitivity, of some of the proposed remedies implemented on the interpersonal level, e.g. required academic and corporate diversity modules. Keeping things somewhat overly simple, there are three classes of white people: non-racist (perhaps a really small group), unintentionally-racist, and committed-to-racism. The typical diversity program beats all white people on the head with collective guilt (which may at some level be warranted) and "microagressions" (yes, I understand microagressions are a reality -- I may have experienced some of them myself as a biracial person -- but they are too subtle and complex to really address with the blunt instruments of most diversity programs I've witnessed). This has the effect of alienating the middle group, who respond to the assertion "all white people are racist no matter how hard they try not to be" with a response that roughly goes "then why should I even try to not be racist?" The extreme group will never be reached no matter how hard you try, so poorly conceived efforts just provide additional justification for their positions. Promoting color-blindness on an interpersonal level (even if it is somewhat fictional in an absolute sense) while gently reminding people of structural injustices goes a long way towards enlisting the middle group to the cause of social justice (in the true sense of the word).

In Aftermath of Trump’s Win, More Than 1,000 Hate Crimes in a Month
By contributors | Dec. 17, 2016 |

TeleSur | – –
Over one-third of the incidents made mention of President-elect Donald Trump.
Over 1,000 hate crimes have been reported since Donald Trump won the U.S. presidential election, the rate dropping since the days after election day but over a third of them still making reference to Trump.
Most of the incidents were against immigrants, followed by African-Americans, Muslims and LGBT people, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which released the data on Friday but cut off the count on Monday, Dec. 12. The SPLC counted a total of 1,094 from news reports, social media and direct submission.
Like previous counts, most incidents occurred in K-12 schools, followed by highly-frequented businesses and campuses of higher education. Most recruitment drives, especially those including fliers, were reported on college campuses, the majority of them by white nationalists and some from the Ku Klux Klan.
Attacks that referenced Trump overwhelmingly attacked women, reported the SPLC, which also counted anti-Trump and anti-white incidents. The former came to a total of 26, with six anti-white incidents.
Via TeleSur
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Related video added by Juan Cole:
REPORT: HATE CRIMES INCREASE AFTER ELECTION ON CNN Breaking News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q5ITx1nyAw
http://www.juancole.com/2016/12/afterma ... rimes.html

A KKK member plotted to kill Muslims — with a homemade death ray
By Kristine Guerra December 19 at 2:05 PM
Glendon Scott Crawford leaves the court after his bail was revoked in June 2013, in Albany, N.Y. He was sentenced on Dec. 19, 2016, to 30 years in federal prison. (Skip Dickstein/Albany Times Union)
Based on court records, Glendon Scott Crawford is ruthless enough to plot an elaborate mass killing of unsuspecting Muslims.

But, it seems, he’s also foolish enough to enlist the help of strangers — who turned out to be undercover law enforcement officers.

Which is probably why, according to the Albany Times-Union, Crawford’s friends described him as a cross between Darth Vader, an intergalactic mass murderer, and Forrest Gump, once described by The Washington Post as a low-IQ Southern character with a propensity for gate-crashing history.

Crawford was sentenced Monday to 30 years in federal prison for plotting to build an industrial X-ray machine that would spew lethal doses of radiation powerful enough to kill people from a distance. His plan, according to a federal complaint, was to place the machine inside a truck or a van, park the vehicle outside Muslim institutions and activate it remotely. The goal was for his targets to be dead long before they realize they’d been exposed to the rays.

[‘Trump is president … they’ll deport you soon’: Man filmed unloading on Muslim Uber driver]

“The conduct is bizarre. You are bizarre,” U.S. District Court Senior Judge Gary Sharpe told Crawford during his sentencing hearing in federal court in Albany, N.Y., according to the Albany Times-Union.

Crawford, a 52-year-old industrial mechanic, also will be on a lifetime supervised release.

He was convicted by a jury after a five-day trial in August 2015, becoming the first person to be found guilty of attempting to acquire and use a radiological dispersal device. The crime violates the “dirty bomb” statute passed by Congress in 2004, according to the U.S. attorney’s office for the Northern District of New York.

The Galway, N.Y., resident was charged after a 14-month FBI undercover investigation that began in April 2012 when authorities received a tip that Crawford, a self-professed member of the Ku Klux Klan, approached two Jewish organizations to seek financing for his plan. Crawford sought people who might help him acquire a radiation-emitting device for use against those whom he perceived to be enemies of Israel, according to the U.S. attorney’s office.

Someone from the Jewish institutions then alerted federal authorities, unknown to Crawford, who spent the following year designing, buying parts for, building and testing his device.

He scouted mosques in Albany and Schenectady, N.Y., and considered the governor’s mansion and an Islamic community center and school as possible targets, according to the U.S. attorney’s office.

[‘It’s a sickness’: Letters calling for genocide of Muslims sent to mosques across the country]

From August 2012 to June 2013, Crawford was unwittingly talking to and working with undercover law enforcement officers. He enlisted the help of a KKK leader who was cooperating with investigators the entire time, court records say.

He also sought the help of Eric Feight, who pleaded guilty to providing material support to terrorists and was sentenced in December 2015 to more than eight years in federal prison.

During conversations, Crawford described his device, made from “off the shelf” technology, as “Hiroshima on a light switch.”

“Everything with respiration would be dead by the morning,” he said, according to court records. “How much sweeter could there be than a big stack of smelly bodies?”

He referred to Muslims as “medical waste.” He also repeatedly talked about developing “assets” and used code names for himself and Feight, according to court records. Crawford was Dmitri and Feight was Yoda.

During a conversation in January 2013, after the November 2012 reelection of President Obama, Crawford said he’s “in this for my kids.” He has three children, according to the Albany Times-Union.

[‘Well, I killed them, I guess’: Jury watches Dylann Roof’s confession to church massacre]

“I don’t want money. . . . You know what, after this election, the electoral process is dead,” he said. “So now, all that is left is to make the m———— pay.”

In a text message sent in April 2013, Crawford went on a tirade about Obama’s policies and the media.

“Your background was scrutinized more to join the army than any muslim scum gets to come here. They don’t have to follow any laws, and this administration has done more to enable a government sponsored invasion than the press can cover up,” he said. “Be pissed, but get the word out that obamas [sic] policies caused this. You watch, they will downplay the Muslim angle if they don’t cover it up. Be pissed. I am too. I been warning this was coming. Its [sic] here.”


After Crawford was convicted last year, U.S. attorney Richard S. Hartunian called him a “terrorist” and his plan “diabolical.”

“This case shows both the dangers we face from extremist views, and our resolve to stop those who plan to act on those views. Crawford planned to kill Muslims on account of their religion and other people whose political and social beliefs he disagreed with, including government officials,” Hartunian said in a statement issued after Crawford’s sentencing hearing.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... ae2d4c7cb7

'We can march through town carrying high-powered rifles’: Neo-Nazi plans march against Montana Jews
Tom Boggioni
24 Dec 2016 at 14:15 ET

Andrew Anglin -- via Wiki commons

Ramping up their attacks on the a Montana town where white supremacist Richard Spencer lives part of the year, neo-Nazis are planning an armed march down main street in January, reports Fox-Montana.

The small town of Whitefish has become a hub of turmoil with the rise of Spencer whose mother owns a business in the downtown district. While Sherry Spencer doesn’t share his son’s white separatist beliefs, she has been taking heat and facing financial setbacks from locals because she allows him to use her address as the headquarters for his deceptively named National Policy Institute.

Previously neo-Nazi fans of Spencer have limited their threats to the people of Whitefish by using social media, however Andrew Anglin, who runs The Daily Stormer website, now says he plans to lead a march in the town aimed at Jews in the community.

“We are planning an armed protest in Whitefish,” Anglin wrote. “Montana has extremely liberal open carry laws, so my lawyer is telling me we can easily march through the center of the town carrying high-powered rifles. I myself am planning on being there to lead the protest, which has been dubbed ‘March on Whitefish.’”

According to Anglin, he claims he will be busing in “skinheads from the Bay Area,” adding, “Currently, my guys say we are going to be able to put together about 200 people to participate in the march, which will be against Jews, Jewish businesses and everyone who supports either.”

“We have to stand up to these people, and we have to force an apology,” The Forward reports Anglin wrote. “This will be an absolutely massive victory for our cause. We have never done this before.”

According to local police, they have received no information on the march which is tentatively scheduled for the second week in January.

Prior to the 2016 presidential election, Anglin claimed that “Virtually every alt-right Nazi I know is volunteering for the Trump campaign.”

Ever the busy white nationalist, Anglin recently threw a tantrum after athletic shoe company New Balance ignored his entreaties to become “the official shoes of White people.” Anglin blamed earlier reports that New Balance was catering to the Donald Trump crowd on the “lying Jewish media.”