The secret life of J. Edgar Hoover
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:05 pm
As some of you already know Clint Eastwood is coming out with his new movie next month about J Edgar Hoover. Here is my critique to a story today about the movie
see below for news story
C'mon folks. The real story here is whether Hoover was a pedophile. The FRONTLINE interview with Mrs. Rosensteil should be viewed by every voter and taxpayer in America. I have viewed the documentary SECRET AND CONFIDENTIAL:THE SECRET LIFE OF J EDGAR HOOVER several times. It is crystal clear when Mrs. Rosensteil says
she viewed Hoover having sex with two young boys! Not two young men, not two young teenagers but two young boys. Hoover was a pedophile.
Here is another source with the link.
http://bitterqueen.typepad.com/friends_ ... stion.html
Perhaps Summers' most bizarre revelation is an account provided by Susan Rosenstiel, the wife of a liquor distiller and gambling crony. Rosenstiel recalls attending what she thought would be an elegant private party at New York City's Plaza Hotel in the company of lawyer Roy Cohn, Hoover and others. Instead, Cohn introduced Rosenstiel to a woman named "Mary," dressed in a fluffy black dress, lace stockings and high heels. It was obvious Mary was no woman. "You could see where he shaved. It was Hoover," said Rosenstiel. Joined by Cohn, Hoover stripped down to a tiny garter belt and proceeded to have sex with two young boys. Cohn later joked about the evening. "That was really something, wasn't it, with Mary Hoover?"
see link for full story
http://www.ticklethewire.com/2011/10/20 ... mment-1382
Gay Rights Advocates Weigh in on Upcomig J. Edgar Hoover Film that Portrays Him as Gay
By Danny Fenster
ticklethewire.com
There has been an avalanche of opinions voiced by ex-FBI agents and current ones over the upcoming film “J Edgar” and his portrayal as being gay. Now, some Gay rights advocates are weighing in.
“I don’t know specifically why current officers object to the claim that Hoover was gay,” Jacob Appel, a New York-based lawyer that has written and advocated for gay and lesbian rights, told ticklethewire.com. “If their concern is solely for historical accuracy, and they don’t feel there is evidence to support that claim, then that’s certainly a reasonable position.”
“On the other hand, if these individuals actually believe that being gay would somehow tarnish Hoover’s image–and I sincerely hope that no one in the FBI holds such deeply misguided views today–then their positions would reflect the sort of bigotry and ignorance that have no place in civilized society,” said Appel.
Clint Eastwood is producing the film and Leonard DiCaprio is playing the legendary Hoover. The film, scheduled for general release on Nov. 11, reportedly portrays Hoover as having a romantic relationship with Clyde Tolson, his number two man in the bureau.
Some agents, and particularly some retired agents who still idolize Hoover, credit him with building a world-class law enforcement agency, and have expressed concern about his portrayal as being gay.
Many say there’s no evidence that Hoover was gay. Instead, they argue that he was married to the job and that he was essentially asexual.
“I find it interesting that Hollywood has no proof of Hoover being a homosexual, a story that was sparked by a discredited author,” former FBI official Anthony Riggio recently wrote in a column for ticklethewire.com. “Yet it tickled the media’s fancy and now the media can’t get over it, and every chance they get, they herald this unfounded suspicion.”
Then again, there are some FBI agents today who simply could care less.
Eastwood has caught some flack for the portrayal, but defends the film.
“It’s not a movie about two gay guys,” Eastwood told GQ. “It’s a movie about how this guy manipulated everybody around him and managed to stay on through nine presidents. I mean, I don’t give a crap if he was gay or not.”
DiCaprio says he’s not sure of Hoover’s sexual orientation.
“If I were a betting man, I actually don’t know what I would bet,” he told GQ.
Some gay rights advocates concerns are not just over the negative reactions from some FBI and former FBI agents, but of Hoover himself.
Rod Hearne, the Executive Director of the Seattle-based Equal Rights Washington, comments:
“In 2011 it’s hard to imagine that two such powerful, unmarried, near-constant companions as J Edgar Hoover and Clyde Tolson would be seen as anything but gay.
“If the FBI and J Edgar Hoover’s friends and associates resist the notion that the blackmailing, extorting, empire-building, racist, homophobic man was gay, fine, whatever they wish to think. The straights can have him.”
Author Ronald Kessler, who penned the book “The Secrets of the FBI”, wrote in an article on the website Newsmax: ”Hoover and Tolson, both bachelors, were inseparable. They ate lunch together every day and dinner together almost every night. They vacationed together, staying in adjoining rooms, and they took adoring photos of each other.”
The relationship with Tolson, he wrote, “points to Hoover’s being gay. Most telling, when Hoover’s will was probated, Tolson received his estate estimated at $560,000 … the equivalent of $2.9 million today. The bequest to Tolson was the final word on the closeness of their relationship and another indicator that Hoover was gay.” Kessler called the movie’s portrayal of their relationship a “legitimate dramatization.”
Appel, the New York lawyer, says if there is evidence that Hoover was gay, or for that matter, a cross dresser as some have suggested, it would be a matter of “public historical interest…especially in light of his fierce and nearly monomaniacal persecution of gays and lesbians throughout his career.”
Bit what is far more important, he said, is “to remember the shameful legacy that Mr. Hoover left this country with in regard to his persistent hounding of ethnic, sexual and ideological minorities … Mr. Hoover squandered tax-payer dollars in a bizarre and longstanding effort to expose the supposed (and extraordinarily unlikely) homosexuality of Adlai Stevenson, one of our nation’s great statesmen and patriots.”
Appel called Hoover a “divisive and destructive figure, whether or not he slept with Clyde Tolson.”
But not all the gay rights advocates have such pointed views.
Christian Berle, the Executive Director at Log Cabin Republicans, which works within the Republican party and advocates for gay and lesbian rights, was far more cautious in his statement to ticklethewire.com:
“Speculation as to J. Edgar Hoover’s sexuality has a long history, and it is natural that Clint Eastwood might want to explore that angle in this film. At the same time, it is understandable that members of the FBI and those who value his memory would be concerned that Hoover’s story be treated with respect and dignity. Whatever Hoover’s orientation may have been, the world today is a much different place than when he was at the helm of the FBI, and Americans can be proud that today’s FBI has a solid record of nondiscrimination.”
see below for news story
C'mon folks. The real story here is whether Hoover was a pedophile. The FRONTLINE interview with Mrs. Rosensteil should be viewed by every voter and taxpayer in America. I have viewed the documentary SECRET AND CONFIDENTIAL:THE SECRET LIFE OF J EDGAR HOOVER several times. It is crystal clear when Mrs. Rosensteil says
she viewed Hoover having sex with two young boys! Not two young men, not two young teenagers but two young boys. Hoover was a pedophile.
Here is another source with the link.
http://bitterqueen.typepad.com/friends_ ... stion.html
Perhaps Summers' most bizarre revelation is an account provided by Susan Rosenstiel, the wife of a liquor distiller and gambling crony. Rosenstiel recalls attending what she thought would be an elegant private party at New York City's Plaza Hotel in the company of lawyer Roy Cohn, Hoover and others. Instead, Cohn introduced Rosenstiel to a woman named "Mary," dressed in a fluffy black dress, lace stockings and high heels. It was obvious Mary was no woman. "You could see where he shaved. It was Hoover," said Rosenstiel. Joined by Cohn, Hoover stripped down to a tiny garter belt and proceeded to have sex with two young boys. Cohn later joked about the evening. "That was really something, wasn't it, with Mary Hoover?"
see link for full story
http://www.ticklethewire.com/2011/10/20 ... mment-1382
Gay Rights Advocates Weigh in on Upcomig J. Edgar Hoover Film that Portrays Him as Gay
By Danny Fenster
ticklethewire.com
There has been an avalanche of opinions voiced by ex-FBI agents and current ones over the upcoming film “J Edgar” and his portrayal as being gay. Now, some Gay rights advocates are weighing in.
“I don’t know specifically why current officers object to the claim that Hoover was gay,” Jacob Appel, a New York-based lawyer that has written and advocated for gay and lesbian rights, told ticklethewire.com. “If their concern is solely for historical accuracy, and they don’t feel there is evidence to support that claim, then that’s certainly a reasonable position.”
“On the other hand, if these individuals actually believe that being gay would somehow tarnish Hoover’s image–and I sincerely hope that no one in the FBI holds such deeply misguided views today–then their positions would reflect the sort of bigotry and ignorance that have no place in civilized society,” said Appel.
Clint Eastwood is producing the film and Leonard DiCaprio is playing the legendary Hoover. The film, scheduled for general release on Nov. 11, reportedly portrays Hoover as having a romantic relationship with Clyde Tolson, his number two man in the bureau.
Some agents, and particularly some retired agents who still idolize Hoover, credit him with building a world-class law enforcement agency, and have expressed concern about his portrayal as being gay.
Many say there’s no evidence that Hoover was gay. Instead, they argue that he was married to the job and that he was essentially asexual.
“I find it interesting that Hollywood has no proof of Hoover being a homosexual, a story that was sparked by a discredited author,” former FBI official Anthony Riggio recently wrote in a column for ticklethewire.com. “Yet it tickled the media’s fancy and now the media can’t get over it, and every chance they get, they herald this unfounded suspicion.”
Then again, there are some FBI agents today who simply could care less.
Eastwood has caught some flack for the portrayal, but defends the film.
“It’s not a movie about two gay guys,” Eastwood told GQ. “It’s a movie about how this guy manipulated everybody around him and managed to stay on through nine presidents. I mean, I don’t give a crap if he was gay or not.”
DiCaprio says he’s not sure of Hoover’s sexual orientation.
“If I were a betting man, I actually don’t know what I would bet,” he told GQ.
Some gay rights advocates concerns are not just over the negative reactions from some FBI and former FBI agents, but of Hoover himself.
Rod Hearne, the Executive Director of the Seattle-based Equal Rights Washington, comments:
“In 2011 it’s hard to imagine that two such powerful, unmarried, near-constant companions as J Edgar Hoover and Clyde Tolson would be seen as anything but gay.
“If the FBI and J Edgar Hoover’s friends and associates resist the notion that the blackmailing, extorting, empire-building, racist, homophobic man was gay, fine, whatever they wish to think. The straights can have him.”
Author Ronald Kessler, who penned the book “The Secrets of the FBI”, wrote in an article on the website Newsmax: ”Hoover and Tolson, both bachelors, were inseparable. They ate lunch together every day and dinner together almost every night. They vacationed together, staying in adjoining rooms, and they took adoring photos of each other.”
The relationship with Tolson, he wrote, “points to Hoover’s being gay. Most telling, when Hoover’s will was probated, Tolson received his estate estimated at $560,000 … the equivalent of $2.9 million today. The bequest to Tolson was the final word on the closeness of their relationship and another indicator that Hoover was gay.” Kessler called the movie’s portrayal of their relationship a “legitimate dramatization.”
Appel, the New York lawyer, says if there is evidence that Hoover was gay, or for that matter, a cross dresser as some have suggested, it would be a matter of “public historical interest…especially in light of his fierce and nearly monomaniacal persecution of gays and lesbians throughout his career.”
Bit what is far more important, he said, is “to remember the shameful legacy that Mr. Hoover left this country with in regard to his persistent hounding of ethnic, sexual and ideological minorities … Mr. Hoover squandered tax-payer dollars in a bizarre and longstanding effort to expose the supposed (and extraordinarily unlikely) homosexuality of Adlai Stevenson, one of our nation’s great statesmen and patriots.”
Appel called Hoover a “divisive and destructive figure, whether or not he slept with Clyde Tolson.”
But not all the gay rights advocates have such pointed views.
Christian Berle, the Executive Director at Log Cabin Republicans, which works within the Republican party and advocates for gay and lesbian rights, was far more cautious in his statement to ticklethewire.com:
“Speculation as to J. Edgar Hoover’s sexuality has a long history, and it is natural that Clint Eastwood might want to explore that angle in this film. At the same time, it is understandable that members of the FBI and those who value his memory would be concerned that Hoover’s story be treated with respect and dignity. Whatever Hoover’s orientation may have been, the world today is a much different place than when he was at the helm of the FBI, and Americans can be proud that today’s FBI has a solid record of nondiscrimination.”