by quioxte » Fri Jul 01, 2005 5:52 pm
<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20040405154250/www.guerrillanews.com/tmdg_trailer/ross.html">web.archive.org/web/20040.../ross.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Dr. Colin A. Ross<br>Author, Clinician, Founder<br>Ross Institute for Psychological Trauma<br><br>Stephen Marshall: Dr. Ross when did you first become involved in the research and study of mind control?<br><br>Dr. Colin. A. Ross: I was involved in Multiple Personality Disorder for 13 years before I became interested in mind control. I diagnosed my first case of MPD while a medical school student in 1979. I saw one more case as I was training to be a psychiatrist. Then I started seeing cases in late 1985 into 1986 and became a regional and then national expert in Canada, I was based in Winnipeg at a medical school. I published my first book on MPD in 1989 and by the time I moved to Dallas in late 1991 I had published quite a few papers and had done lots of consultations. But I had no experience with mind control, no real interest in it, and hadn’t heard or read about it.<br><br>Early in 1992, patients started telling me stories about, basically, either on military bases, in hospitals, or in laboratory-like settings, having experiments done on them which involved EEG equipment, various types of equipment, and people in white lab coats and so on. The purpose of the experiments was to create new personalities, basically to create Manchurian candidates. So of course I wondered whether some of this was real or most of it or none of it or all of it. What I did was decide to split two things into two, how to do treatment and an investigation into mind control. My study of mind control hasn’t really affected the principles by which I do treatment, kind of a separate track of investigation and interest.<br><br>Marshall: So, as you moved forward with your own research and investigation and your own approach to methods of treatment, what was the reaction of the mainstream medical profession to this research? Did they believe that this phenomenon was occurring? ‘Cause there has been this whole question as to whether there was suddenly an outbreak of MPD or, if it’s something that has always been latent in the human mind…<br><br>Dr. Ross: Well that’s a big area of controversy and there are people who take extreme positions on basically everything in psychiatry, including multiple personalities. Some people think it’s a fad that broke out in the 80’s and that it’s extremely rare and non-existent. And other people think that it has been common throughout human history, just taking different forms.<br><br>So multiple personalities, which is the group I belong to, then is just another form of various kinds of ‘possession states’. Being inhabited by various spirits, demons, and it’s a general capacity of the human mind to, all of a sudden, begin behaving as if some other entity or being is in charge of your body. Then later on you come back and may have no memory or partial memory or full memory of what went on. Human beings have been doing that behavior throughout all cultures throughout history. And it seems that the phenomenon of multiple personalities is harnessing that ability of the mind to cope with trauma. There is good evidence now from increasing number of studies in countries that MPD exists worldwide and it’s sometimes over-diagnosed but most often it is under-diagnosed, by far.<br><br>Marshall: Interestingly, the first book I came in contact with as far as your work is concerned was Blue Bird: The Deliberate Creation of Multiple Personality by Psychiatrists. I have to admit the first time I saw the title, I was like… I mean, the title itself speaks volumes about the nature of the work you have undertaken for yourself. The idea that someone might actually deliberately create a multiple personality is so intense. Could you talk about that for a second, I mean, when did you come across the notion that this might be occurring and can you elaborate or describe the kind of medical mind-set that would inspire people to begin this type of work?<br><br>Dr. Ross: In 4 years of medical school, 4 years of psychiatry training, I basically had no instructions on child sexual abuse or its consequences. Absolutely zero. No seminars, no lectures, no exam questions, no handouts, no case conferences, absolutely no training of any kind. It was just not a subject. In fact, the main textbook of psychiatry used in North America at that time is still the comprehensive textbook of psychiatry. So I used a 1983 edition and it’s basically the bible of North American Psychiatry and it’s 3000 and something pages long. In there, is half a paragraph talking about how uncommon incest is in North America and there is a reference to a 1955 study saying that it is one family out of a million. That was basically the status of psychiatry, incest is so incredibly rare you’re never going to see it and you don’t need to talk about it, let’s move on to things more relevant.<br><br>That was 1980 and, of course, what is actually true is that incest, child sexual abuse, and child physical abuse are very common. Incest does not occur in one out of a million, it’s more than one family out of a hundred. So psychiatry was out by a factor literally of 10,000. So that was a big lesson… that world psychiatry could take a position on something and say its non-existent when actually it’s very common. And that’s a lesson I learned from that, then in the second half of the 1980’s, again I was not interested in cults, Satanism, or sacrifice or things like that particularly. Then all of a sudden therapists in North America working with multiple personalities started hearing all these stories about involvement in satanic cults and human sacrifice. With no kind of context or background, no training or guidelines, on how to think about it or do about it, so I wrote a book which was published in 1995 called Satanic Ritual Abuse: Principles of Treatment. To write this book I pretty much read everything there is to read on satanic rituals abuse, which is not that much. That included investigative reports, all kinds of different articles, books, and so on. The more energy I put into it and more I looked into it, the more I was just chasing shadows. So you could never come up with concrete specific evidence that there was human sacrifice going on anywhere. And it was just this kind of stumbling through the fog grasping at shadows, never getting any substance or reality. That taught me that you can be hearing a whole lot of stories from patients but you can never verify any of it, which is kind of the opposite lesson that I had learned about incest.<br><br>Then, in 1992, all of a sudden I start hearing these stories about what sounded like military intelligence mind control. And I’m trying to figure out: ‘Now is this going to be like incest?’ Where there was a whole lot of it going on and has to be brought out of the closet or is it going to be like satanic ritual abuse where you end up with no proof?’<br><br>The thing I found was the more books I read (and I got 15,000 pages of documents from the CIA through the Freedom of Information Act), the more I looked into it, the more reality there was. Then I basically started a process of getting the references from one book and going to the library and finding those references and then looking at their references and tracking reference to reference to reference. Also going to the medical journals from the 1950’s and 1960’s and taking out the lead medical journals and looking through every issue to see either whom the author was or what the subject of the paper was. Because I was tracking certain authors and looking for studies on LSD, studies on sensory deprivation and so on. I just basically built up this huge network of facts and interconnections between mind control experimentation doctors’ which equals psychiatrists, neurosurgeons, and psychologists. It became a vast web of documented facts involving all the major medical schools and most of the leading figures in psychiatry.<br><br>Marshall: From what I understand and I hope you will correct me and elaborate this perspective, the idea is that multiple personality is a mind’s protection against events or memories that are very traumatic for it. In fact it is a survival mechanism in which the mind, or brain, erects a bio-electrical barrier to protect itself from the memory of the trauma. Is that a correct way of thinking about it and could you explain to us a little more about how that occurs, because it sounds fascinating?<br><br>Dr. Ross: Like everything in the mind and the brain, the amount we understand is about .00-something percent of what there is to understand. And, basically, I’d say that for everything that is going on in the mind, there is simultaneously something going on in the electro-magnetic field of the brain.<br><br>That’s kind of obvious, there has to be.<br><br>So when there is amnesia, there is going to be some sort of electro-magnetic correlation to that. Exactly what that is I don’t know but I’ve watched EEG’s being run on people where there is a main person, then they switch to a child, then they switch to an adolescent personality with different characteristics. And the EEG print out is tremendously different; it’s obvious at a glance how dramatically different it is.<br><br>That’s an area of research that needs a lot more tightening and a lot more documentation. But I would say, with the evidence we have so far, it’s pretty much for certain, not totally locked down, that when people with multiple personalities switch from one personality to another, there is a change in the electro-magnetic field in the brain that, say, an actor can not make happen. Obviously, if you watch Hollywood movies you can tell actors can do very good jobs of providing a picture of multiple personalities that looks very real. But when you do an EEG on those people it doesn’t change as it would with a real patient. There are a few papers like that and a lot more research is needed… but I think we have enough evidence to pretty well conclude that’s the case. There is something internally real about it even though it’s not literally ‘real’.<br><br>Which is something that occurs with auditory hallucinations - when you hear voices - whether if it’s with schizophrenia or multiple personalities. All of these scanning studies that have been done now on people who are hearing voices, its clear that the brain is behaving as if it’s actually hearing a voice.<br><br>So it’s not just a fantasy.<br><br>There is actually, in the reality, of the brain, the voice that is ‘heard’ . But it is also a hallucination, and it is as real as the voice of a real person, it terms of the part of the brain lighting up. So we have to get away from this question of: Is it real or not real?’.<br><br>I have a term I call the Central Paradoxes of Multiple Personality Disorder, which is now called Dissociative Identity Disorder. The Central Paradox is it’s both real and not real at the same time. So you have to not get hung up on, I don’t believe in that: ‘it’s not possible, it can’t be real’, because it isn’t in fact literally real. There aren’t a whole bunch of little men running around in somebody’s brain, but it is very internally subjectively real.<br><br>Marshall: So let’s get to Blue Bird and the research, there is so much in this book… people just need to read it for themselves. First of all what was it like when you first, talking as a doctor, what was it like when you first came across it? What was your reaction to the idea that there were actually people deliberately creating multiple personalities? Then describe some of the actual experiments and the methodology they enacted to create these types of medical and psychological states.<br><br>Dr. Ross: I kind of got prepared for it with satanic cult phenomenon, because I had already spent 3 or 4 years everyday of my professional life going: ‘Could this be real, could any of it be real? How’s it possible?’ Because the people that described cult experiences were describing members of the cult deliberately creating personalities. So I already had obsessed, thought, and ruminated about this for a number of years in the context of satanic cults before the mind control came up. I certainly had lots of experience with documented cases of pretty extreme sexual abuse of patients by very disturbed out of control doctors, psychiatrists, and therapists. It didn’t really surprise me that doctors and therapists could be doing something even more extreme than I had heard about. I put it into the context also of Nazi Germany and human atrocities throughout history. The craziness and the destructiveness of the things I was finding out about, when you put them in the context of Nazi Germany, wars, domestic violence, physical and sexual abuse, it’s not that far out of the range of a lot of things that have gone on in history. That helped me drop down my incredulity factor.<br><br>But the most amazing thing about it intellectually was… the more I looked into it, the more connections I found. Here is this doctor and I go to read a paper and low and behold he is the co-author of this doctor who I found about by some other line of investigation. Then I would find that these two other doctors are together, then I’d find that the second doctor was also at the same university as this other doctor. And just building up all these connections and seeing how it wasn’t just a couple of rogue scientists or mad scientists in a basement or a couple of deviant people here and there. It was a whole network of interconnected academics mostly who were editors of leading journals, chairman of departments of psychiatry at Yale, Harvard, and UCLA and people who are presidents of the American Psychiatry Association, getting lifetime awards from the American Psychiatric Association. The grandfathers of psychiatry all involved in this, all- knowledgeable about it, some with and without top secret clearance levels. But it was something that was known in the profession, it was generally known yet there was not a word about it. It’s kind of like sexual abuse in the Catholic Church. As we are finding out today, all these leaders in the Catholic Church knew perfectly well that all this sexual abuse was going on, but did they ever mention it, talk about it, or do anything about it, no. Same with mind control experimentation, which is wildly in violation of the Geneva Convention and all ethical codes. Highly harmful, no informed consent, and no follow up, it was just business as usual within psychiatry.<br><br>Marshall: Could you describe a couple of examples of experiments that were done to create multiples, maybe some of the more successful or extreme ones?<br><br>Dr. Ross: Well, part of the problem is that when you get to the most sophisticated Manchurian candidate experiments, they are described somewhat vaguely. This whole thing is in a pyramid shaped hierarchy. Where creation of the Manchurian candidate is up at the summit and at the lower levels of the pyramid there are all kinds of investigations, of all kinds of things, which are all pieces of the jigsaw puzzle on how to create a Manchurian candidate; which is an artificial multiple personality for use in missions and operations. So you will see one person working on use of LSD in interrogation, another person working on hypnosis, and another person working on sensory deprivation. Some of these people are just regular academics that were doing grants and then some have top secret clearance and know that it is either CIA or military intelligence experimentation. Then the people on the next layer up are taking some of the pieces and putting them together in the same experiment.<br><br>So an example at that level would be a man named Amadeo Maratzi who worked at Edgeware Arsenal for a period of time in Maryland. Which is a big biological, chemical, and psychological warfare weapons development center. He was at the University of Minnesota later where he had a grant from the Air Force Office of Scientific Research, which is published in the medical literature. You can just go to the medical school library and photocopy it and the paper includes the acknowledgment that it was funded by the Air Force Office of Scientific Research. What he did, basically, he got subjects and put them in an Ames Leaf room. An Ames Leaf room was a room first built by a guy named Ames who was funded by the Office of Naval Research. Basically it’s an 8 by 12 cubicle box open at one end. The subject sits just inside the box so that he can’t see outside and all he can see is the walls, the walls are all lined with leaves, leaves that have been pasted all over the walls. The subject wears goggles with a special kind of lens called Nisaconic lenses, which was also developed by Ames and related researchers. What these lenses do is distort all the angles. One side of the room the leaves are all big and sticking out, on the other side of the room they seem small and flat. The floor will be sloping up on them at a crazy angle, and the angle of the walls doesn’t fit with the angles of the floor and so on. Then what you do is you see a photograph of the person from behind and they have two little knobs they can turn which adjusts a white bar at the far end of the leaf room. The subject has the bar adjusted where it looks horizontal to him, but it’s actually tilted at quite an angle.<br><br>So he’s in the Ames leaf room wearing nisaconic lenses and he’s on LSD. The LSD was supplied by the Air Force. The purpose of this has two aspects. One is – I mean, it’s unbelievable that anyone would ever had done that, but there it is sitting on the shelves of the medical school library. On one hand it’s clever and it’s a part of trying to figure out the uses of LSD in interrogation, mind control, and brainwashing. Then on the other side it’s kind of really stupid because the net conclusion of the research basically was, if you sit in an Ames leaf room wearing nisaconic lenses stoned on LSD, you can’t see straight. I mean it’s all kind of colossally dumb in one sense but these are all pieces of the puzzle when you get to the actual creation of a Manchurian Candidate for use in operations. All those elements are being used but the exact formula basically is still classified.<br><br>But it’s really a combination of selecting subjects who are really susceptible. That is, they’re good hypnotic subjects, either highly dissociative, highly trance-prone, and maybe with a trauma history. So you go through some sort of selection/screening procedure to get people who are good for mind control experimentation. Then it’s a combination of good cop/bad cop techniques used on them. Having control of their life space so that they’re either in the military, in a prison, in a mental hospital or they are in some sort camp of some kind… so you have really solid control of who they talk to, who they know, and what they do. A lot of hypnosis, sensory deprivation and isolation, some forms of drugs, which would be either hallucinogens usually, amphetamines, or barbiturates, etc. Then basically you create a new identity, which is not that hard to do in a good hypnotic subject. You create an amnesia barrier between the main part of the person and the hidden identity. Then you insert access codes, which can be either verbal signals, tones over the telephone, hand gestures, or – basically - any kind of signal. This is described very clearly and in great detail in these documents. Then what you do is, say the person is in the Navy and you want to use him as a hypnotic courier. What you do is you bring him into the office and you give him some sort of cover assignment, which is to take some non-classified documents from point A to point B. Then you say to him “the moon is clear” which is the programmed hypnotic signal that switches him to his programmed personality. So now you give the programmed personality classified information.<br><br>Marshall: Verbally?<br><br>Dr. Ross: Yeah, verbally or you would give them documents to carry, but usually you would give it verbally. Then you switch personalities using another code back to their regular self. He’s amnesic of all that information. He goes to point B and somebody on the receiving end says “ the moon is clear”. He flips to his Manchurian Candidate personality, he delivers the message or information and then you just run it back and reverse again. And these kinds of people can be used for courier assignments, penetration/infiltration assignments or assassination assignments. <br><br>pg2<br><br>not available (oh well..)<br> <p></p><i></i>
