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eric144 · Post by **eric144** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:55 pm

It does matter as you know very well in this context just the same as it would if he were a radical Islamic fundamentalist.

eric144 · Post by **eric144** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:58 pm

"It may just have been someone who was joking and turned out they accidentally got it right." The coincidence theory of 9/11. Neatly sums up DE nicely The wildest fantasy anyone could imagine.

Qutb · Post by **Qutb** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:59 pm

Regarding Odigo - the message could have been sent by whoever. So, isn't it conceivable that the CIA, al-Qaida or whoever else sent that message to get the "Jewish conspiracy" meme rolling?

eric144 · Post by **eric144** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 1:01 pm

Are you saying that the CIA are trying to blame the jews, do you believe the CIA carried out 9/11 ?

Qutb · Post by **Qutb** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 1:01 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I think you're a piece of fictional shit. No more reality than a dream.<hr></blockquote> You do seem to have a problem separating reality from fantasy.

Qutb · Post by **Qutb** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 1:02 pm

CIA trying to blame the Jws: yes, they've done that before (Iran-Contra, for instance). It's a time-tested strategy.

eric144 · Post by **eric144** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 1:11 pm

So, the CIA are anti-semitic scum who carry out operations against American citizens then blame the Jews. Weren't Israeli weapons used during Iran Contra, didn't Israel maintain military ties with Iran including arms sales after 1979 ?

michael meiring · Post by **michael meiring** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 1:11 pm

Dreamer, <a href="http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/12/WTC_Mysteries3.html">www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/1...ries3.html</a> Staff Writer ABOUT eight hours after terrorists struck Manhattan's tallest skyscrapers, police in Bergen County detained five men who they said were found carrying maps linking them to the blasts. The five men, who were in a van stopped on Route 3 in East Rutherford around 4:30 p.m., were being questioned by police but had not been charged with any crime late Tuesday. The Bergen County Police bomb squad X-rayed packages found inside the van but did not find any explosives, authorities said. However, sources close to the investigation said they found other evidence linking the men to the bombing plot. "There are maps of the city in the car with certain places highlighted," the source said. "It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park." Sources also said that bomb-sniffing dogs reacted as if they had detected explosives, although officers were unable to find anything. The FBI seized the van for further testing, authorities said. Sources said the van was stopped as it headed east on Route 3, between the Hackensack River bridge and the Sheraton hotel. As a precaution, police shut down Route 3 traffic in both directions after the stop and evacuated a small roadside motel near the Sheraton. Sources close to the investigation said the men said they were Israeli tourists, but police had not been able to confirm their identities. Authorities would not release their names. East Rutherford officers stopped the van after the FBI's Newark Field Office broadcast an alert asking surrounding police departments to look for a white Chevrolet van, police said. "We got an alert to be on the lookout for a white Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration and writing on the side," said Bergen County Police Chief John Schmidig. "Three individuals were seen celebrating in Liberty State Park after the impact. They said three people were jumping up and down." The East Rutherford officers summoned the county police bomb squad, New Jersey state troopers, and FBI agents, who waited alongside the van as prosecutors from the U.S. Attorney's Office tried to obtain a warrant to search the van late Tuesday, Schmidig said. By 10 p.m., members of the bomb squad were picking through the van and X-raying packages found inside, Schmidig said. Sources said the FBI alert, known as a BOLO or "Be On Lookout," was sent out at 3:31 p.m. It read: "Vehicle possibly related to New York terrorist attack. White, 2000 Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration with 'Urban Moving Systems' sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center. "Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals." FBI spokeswoman Sandra Carroll declined to comment on the incident late Tuesday. State police Lt. Col. Barry W. Roberson confirmed the traffic stop at a late night news briefing at state police headquarters in Trenton. He would not elaborate, however. Business records show an Urban Moving Systems with offices on West 50th Street in Manhattan and on West 18th Street in Weehawken. Telephone messages left at the businesses Tuesday evening were not immediately returned. Business records show the owner as Dominik Suter of Fair Lawn. A woman answering the telephone at Suter's home acknowledged he owned the company but refused to comment further. She also declined to identify herself. It was not clear Tuesday whether the van stopped by police is related to Suter's company. A business traveler staying at the Homestead Studio Suites Hotel said she watched state troopers drive the suspects away in a procession of state police cars about 5 p.m. The woman, who asked not to be identified, said the people detained appeared to be white men, but she could not give more details. About 5:30 p.m., police evacuated the hotel without offering guests an explanation. "First, they told us we could hang out in the lobby, but then they told us we had to leave," the traveler said. At 10 p.m., the hotel guest said she could see at least two police officers searching through the van while a crowd of other officers kept their distance. Except for police vehicles and a tow truck, the service road beside Route 3 was empty, she said. Staff Writer Wendy Ruderman contributed to this report. . Dreamer, take this anyway you want, but i am not wasting anymore of my time replying to you. I know what you are all about. perhaps you know how to do a search on google? key words etc

Qutb · Post by **Qutb** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:09 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>So, the CIA are anti-semitic scum who carry out operations against American citizens then blame the Jews<hr></blockquote> The point is not whether they're anti-semitic or not, but the fact that the Jews/Israel is the perfect scapegoat, because there's a ready supply of suckers who are more than willing to believe that the Jews/"Zionists"/Israels is guilty of whatever anyone will accuse them of.

Rigorous Intuition · Post by **Rigorous Intuition** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:12 pm

I need to tell you, you're on pretty thin ice if you wish to continue posting on this board. You've provided numerous examples over a number of threads that you have a "Jewish problem." Please clarify these remarks: You say you believe Qutb is Jewish, and it matters "in this context just the same as it would if he were a radical Islamic fundamentalist." Why isn't equivalent to whether he were, rather, a Muslim?

eric144 · Post by **eric144** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:19 pm

Original provocative remarks removed to show a modicum of goodwill. They have been read. It's interesting to be called a nazi by the American left when I regard Bill Clinton (for example) as an extreme virulent right wing thug, much worse than Tony Blair. The anti-semitic stuff too, coming as it does from the utterly phony ,fear driven political correctness that has paralysed political dialgue in America. It has a corporate sheen on it, no doubt driven by fear of litigation. Particularly in respect of the cascade of espionage allegations against Jewish individuals and organisations in recent times. To call someone anti-semitic may work as a tactic to those in fear of moral retribution, I don't care (at least online where I can hide behind anonymity). My observation is that the only credible opposition in the USA comes from the libertarian right and those on the left (on DU and elsewhere) that have embraced their conspiracy theories. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=eric144>eric144</A> at: 11/14/05 11:57 am

Qutb · Post by **Qutb** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:55 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>extreme remarks and posting of outrageous silly nonsense like the original article<hr></blockquote> I'll take Marc Levin over Mike Rivero or Greg Szymanski or Justin Raimondo any day of the week.

eric144 · Post by **eric144** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:58 pm

We differ greatly on that.

Rigorous Intuition · Post by **Rigorous Intuition** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 3:32 pm

Anti-semitism can be a hollow charge played as a card to stifle discussion. Daniel Pipes does that well. Yet there is such a thing, and it's ugly and ancient and a millstone slung about the necks of those of us trying to make a study of the confluence of invisible powers. I don't give a damn about political correctness, I just want to be correct.

eric144 · Post by **eric144** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 3:42 pm

Yes, but I was called a nazi and anti-semitic several times, including the display of a very nasty nazi picture. You didn't say a single word about that. No doubt because political correctness is a weapon of the educated left. It's interesting that (here in Britain also), it's most often used against the working classes who have to live in a very different reality. That includes having to fight for jobs against immigrants and having their wages reduced by those willing to work for less. I saw politically correct phd's quickly descend into racism when an Indian was appointed above them. That included questioning the Indian education system even though his phd was from the UK ! I defended him, no one else did.

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