killing veritas

by **Dreams End** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:37 pm

Oh, the name veritas, by the way, if I must reveal my geeky side, is simply one I used to use when I played Ultima Online. It had no political connotations at all and I usually use it with some numbers attached when I have to sign in to random sites. IR, I understand your frustration, I guess, although I'm not sure why you feel a desire to go to a thread that is NOT about the Israeli government and complain that it doesn't apply to you. Fine. Aren't many Nazis in Israel. But I don't know much about internal Israeli politics, so you won't really ever see me posting on that. Rather than that approach, I think continuing to post some articles about the corruption and other issues you are concerned about would be interesting. For example, you say you are a MC victim but I've seen nothing about MK Ultra type programs in Israel...only in the US. (Or were you victimized in the US?) You have an English language blog but I note the Hebrew one has more content...or seems to. And, despite the efforts of my best friend in 7th grade, my Hebrew is simply not very good. In fact, I can't even ever remember the four letters on a dradle. Anyway, the caveat here is that just about anything you post that way will be used by some as more evidence of Jewish elite control of the world, so it may not have the effect you are hoping for. Now, here's an odd observation. Contrary to how this might sound, I actually do not mean to "disparage" HH. I don't agree with even his basic (I'd have to say conservative) political philosophy and I have all kinds of reservations about Thelema and Crowley, but his posts are always knowledgeable and intelligent. And though I also have concerns FOR HH which I've shared (his missing time in an airforce "gifted" program, for example), he seems to be telling the truth as he sees it and is so open that, to be honest, just about anyone could probably locate him if they wanted to. I'm not sure he should actually be THAT free with info, actually, given his current reported anti-abuse campaign. However, I found it just a little strange that so many of the self described RA/MC victims on this site are so friendly with him. If you'll have a look at the "More satanic allegations" thread, which got completely derailed for awhile, you'll see what I mean. It almost looks flirtatious. Now, I have nothing against flirting online. Been guilty of it myself. (ALP..who is Ruth, by the way?). And I'm not suggesting the survivors on this site are untruthful. In fact, I had some real doubts about sw as her story is so huge and hits every facet of conspiracy theory, but her posts in my "DID advice" thread could simply not have come from someone who wasn't intimately familiar with DID. Just too many little details...and actually some very helpful advice. I don't know what to make of the larger contexts of these experiences except that I imagine much of it is mindgames to keep the victim feeling powerless. I'm simply surprised at how most all of these folks popped into that satanic allegations thread (if Richard is not crazy then this will be the most important such story ever to cross this board, though it might well be made to simply "go away"), hijacked it (innocently) with irrelevant discussion and then make happy talk with a self-professed Crowleyite. Please put the matches away. My observation does not depend on any evil intent on HH's part, but surely these are strange bedfellows and I was curious about this dynamic. I was also particularly curious about IR's participation in this. While worrying of triggering by veritas, IR was happily chatting away with a follower of a man who called himself "The Beast" and discussed certain transformative practices with the metaphor of child sacrifice. (I'll concede it's a metaphor unless I see evidence contrary, but come on...it's just creepy.) And I could quote some Crowley poetry (as could HH, I'm sure) that would be equally disturbing. But he gets a pass? What's that about? I'm not suggesting they need to turn against HH, I am just curious about this unexpected dynamic. And to IR, I have a confession to make. I was also the one who posted the thread anonymously or under some generic name about Solara, because I'd found your post there. Don't freak out...I'm just good with google. I was trying to figure out your perspective on things and went to your blog but I think the more detailed stuff is in Hebrew, as I said. So I googled your name and also your email moniker and found that post. I can take you through it click by click if you are worried I'm a 'bad guy.' It actually wasn't hard. I won't go into detail, but you described disturbing dreams involving a number. That number is not only important to Crowley...it's a title of one of his books. I don't know the full significance of it and if you want to share the number with HH and get his take, maybe it's no big deal. However I was really disturbed by the way Solara said that 11:11 (that's not the number I was just speaking of) was being "triggered". I had a very disturbed girlfriend one time (theme of my life, I know) who I never did know what bizarre and dark experiences had brought on that disturbance but who was very conscious of 11:11. All the time. What the hell does that mean?...and to find a MC victim posting there was also concerning. I posted to get your perspective, but you were complaining of veritas so I simply threw it out as a one-off threadstarter. and when you sounded like you'd just popped into her site a time or two, I just let it drop...but had you been more actively involved I would have been very concerned for you. It looks like all sweetness and light at that site, but that triggering language really bothered me. And Solara joins Maurice Strong and apparently many others in suggesting that 2012 is the Big Dance..whatever they have planned. Well, enough rambling.

by **israelirealities** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:10 pm

hi DE Oh, I have your attention, that's good. It is long, but I'll make it short. Because English is NOT my first language, it takes me a whole lot longer than for you to understand where people are coming from. The only way I can figure them out is by conversing on my level of understanding, which you might call 'flirting" (not on the gender side of it, just being too familiar, I suppose, or maybe I missed an innuendo ? could happen to me). I didn't know HH is "the beast" in terms of name, is it a common term ? i was not sure where he is coming from, and frankly I didn't follow his posts which are longer than, say, half a page. (that's the usual case, here, BTW, I can't keep up with the length and amount of writing, I am sure you read/write so much faster, all of you). So its a bit of a frustration, and same with Solara, i am reading, asking, conversing and then forming an opinion. This would not be the case for me in hebrew, I can sense a person from one sentence. Here it took me a long time to figure out the gender of each person... (i'd like to see you mingling in a board in Hebrew...:-)) and doing better). this is yet another pretty much American limitation of being able to "get into the shoes" of a foreigner. I hope that settles it. You can perhaps try to think of it as tourist, and the way they often get confused and go along and then retreat, especially, I have to confess the level of verbal expression here is especially challenging for me. People are soooo smart, you talk in codes. I think HH is sending a mixed message, and frankly, the bottom line for me, is I stopped understanding where he is coming from, and I gave up on trying to form an opinion. I felt that this thelema/satanism is not good. But he could be a victim of that. You never know, and after I found myself brainwashed at least once, I am always trying to look a step deeper than the appearance, and this sometimes is wrong, or pricy. As for my blog, yes the Hebrew one is the Blog, the one in English is a pilot, and it is going to be reconstructed and hopefully a native speaker will assist me with the language. SO far its just very random. trial. --- You tell me not to step into something I don't know about (like this heinberg) but then you say if I say anything it will be used as proof of this or that nazi (world domination). I think i can only rest my case. This is why any discussion on 'rising nazism' does effect me, because when Nazis are discussed here or anywhere, my freedom of speech is being curtailed, daily. So I was trying to understand what this is all about...what are those "nazis" that their threat is so huge that all Israelis have to acquiesce to oppression and not talk about it LOUD, so the bad guys don't use it. This was the reason I stepped into the Heinberg thread. And I want to know MORE about it. You give me that very same double message, and you are not the only one, it is not personal at all. It is affecting me and I know nothing about it. it is finally about me, because you are admiitting that the existence of these people effects my freedom of speech indirectly, but insidiously. ------ Last, MC. prefer NOT to discuss it here. Mc exists in ISrael, those who deal with this issue know it, I am not breaking any news. But again, as a "good" ISraeli I should be MC'd quietly, so as not to feed the ammunition of some Heinberg I don't even know, or another weirdo. I am trying to state it extremely so as to GET TO YOU. I almost want to say, we too have flesh, we too bleed, etc. from Shakespeare. Since you are certainly not ignorant or stupid, rest assure that if your government is MC'ing, it has and is doing it outside the USA, even more than inside, and ISrael is the perfect setting. As you see, the victims are conveniently "responible" (except one, here, ie me), and so, where is a better location ? The same departments, agencies and corporations involved in this very ugly thing, are present here officially, if not unofficially. Many of our families have "branches" in the USA, the military apparatus is almost joint, and I would dare say that if you examine the "ideologies" of the founders of this "enterprise", they would prefer Jews...Last, but not least, read all the information about the so called "spying" by Israel and other allegations, and ask yourself how are those multitude of Israeli' agents "recruited". etc etc indeed enough rambling. Thank you for your attention.

by **Dreams End** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:20 pm

couple things. HH is not "the beast". That's Crowley. Also, I always forget you are not a native English speaker. Subtlety is definitely not easy for someone in a foreign language. I didn't get the part how the discussion of Nazis curtails your free speech. The point we are chasing down on the Heinberg thread is that there is an underlying ideology behind both peak whatever theories that is very negative. How are they dangerous? Well, that's my own struggle right now. These strains of thought are all around, but how much success are they having in laying some sort of groundwork for whatever they are up to. I don't know. So I think I've shown that there IS an agenda but I don't have a full conception of what that agenda is. As for posts on Israel being used to support the anti-Semitic agenda...well, they simply will be, but I didn't mean don't post. Just to be aware that some who will enthusiastically embrace these posts will have dishonest agendas. That Eric144 or whatever his name was is an example. And, unfortunately for us, in your English prose I haven't really gotten a complete picture of what you think is going on. Corrupt government...organized crime. Yes. How important, in your view, is this corruption and rightwing influence internationally? I think you see the US as being the imperialist with Israel as a client state, but I'm not completely sure.

by **jenz** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:54 pm

"The American mindset is imperialist even as a freedom fighter". Spot on. ( maybe sometimes just super-parochial. )

by **AnnaLivia** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:31 pm

IR, i think it seems to you that "we" are in general "under-emphacizing" those jews who are TRULY dirty rotten scoundrels, but we tend to do that because the nazi idiots "take an inch and run a mile with it". (i'll explain that after supper if it's not clear) it's the same reason as i don't harp on the crimes of the little guy. it's not that i excuse him...but, shit, there's enough people out there pointing fingers at that...and i see a need to instead point to the HUGE crimes of the uber-rich...as a counter-active measure...and as the truth! me, i stand in true awe of those who cope with the english language as a second language, and, sugar, YOU do an excellent job with it!! gawd how i wish i'd been taught hebrew, or chinese, or russian, or really ANY other language along with my native. when people post some latin or whatever (even just english abbreviations a lot of times), i'm as lost as you are if not more. as for homeless halo...i have little hope i'll ever comprehend the occult stuff (too little time!), so have little hope of ever understanding what he/she is saying about that stuff, but until i do, it's not hard to suspend any judgement. i'm plenty willing to live and let live. it's just that me...and even that divine bitch Ruthie (see the fire pit, DE)...are willing to give all others the benefit of any doubt, until they themselves prove we gave them too much credit. which people sometimes do. i will always be willing to err on the side of people...but that doesn't make me a pushover. i think hating the haters is a love all its own...

by **Avalon** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:42 pm

It's been my experience that the 11:11 thing has been an entry-level synchronicity feature that a lot of people have encountered. I haven't yet seen any personal evidence, or any anecdotes by those I know and trust, that suggest that it is anything other than benign or neutral.

by **antiaristo** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 11:54 pm

There's a little "revisioning" going on here. My friend Dreams End is doing another George Bush and giving only part of the story. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>I wrote a tongue in cheek piece confessing my employment with the government, while at the same time posting some of the greatest hits from our resident fascists or those who are not discerning enough to see them as such. "Why can't we point out Jews? We can point out anyone of any other ethnicity or religion and no one complains."<hr></blockquote> You mean this one? <a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm35.showMessage?topicID=3.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...ID=3.topic</a> Begun October 18 at 1:39 pm Which was your exit from this one <a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm35.showMessage?topicID=5.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...ID=5.topic</a> Author Comment antiaristo Registered Member Posts: 687 (10/17/05 1:45 pm) Reply | Edit Dreams End ------------------------------------------------------------<blockquote>Quote:<hr> For the second time. I really think you should deal with this before telling others on this board how to think. It WAS you that said "bring it on". Quote: ------------------------------------------------------------ Come on, now. Where are all the "DE is a gatekeeper" posts?....The line starts here. ------------------------------------------------------------ Yeah, DE, I think you're a gatekeeper. I think you are a gatekeeper for Zionists. But NOT Jews. I mean the Zionists that follow the Masonic religion, and serve the purposes of the British Crown. The "posh" websites have been getting excited these last few days about the connection between Judith Miller and David Kelly. This is what was on Rigorous Intuition back in August.<hr></blockquote> I found myself being asked to explain what I was doing, and replied <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Quote: ------------------------------------------------------------ Come on, now. Where are all the "DE is a gatekeeper" posts?....The line starts here. ------------------------------------------------------------ Connut, See the trouble is it's a kind of "put up or shut up" statement, you know speak now or forever hold your peace kinda thing. Your president said the same thing, and you've been getting your asses kicked ever since. You see, it's a good thing when ANY aggressor gets his ass kicked. And your friend Dreams End tried to smear his way out of it, by putting words in my mouth, all the while denying putting words in my mouth ("now these are not anti's words" ). That's something else your president does He tried to pretend that an address in the third person equates to a reply.<hr></blockquote> Now out of respect to my fellow posters I will not pursue Mr DreamsEnd any further. Apparently many of you find his work educational, and it is not for me to deprive you of that option. But he left because he preferred that to answering my perfectly reasonable request. He treated us to a "Farewell Cruel World". He then came back in an altered guise as veritas He started the same old crap, covering for the Brits, so I called him. So we get more dramatics with "killing veritas", to tell us all that DreamsEnd is back. Well, fine, but he still hasn't given me an explanation.

by **Dreams End** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 12:24 am

anti, I guess I should explain. You see, I can't answer your post. It's not because I'm an agent. It's not because I am a "Defender of Britain." You see, actually, anti, and I don't know quite how to put this.... Let's see, how about this. I don't answer your posts because: I HAVE, FROM THE BEGINNING, HAD ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT THE FUCK YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. NONE. I'm glad the Larouche chapter is strong in England, or Spain or wherever you are. But at least with Larouche, despite the fact that his analysis of the need for an anti-empirical, neo-Platonian Republic to free us from the Evil Dutch-Anglo-Monarchial-Masonic-Zionist-Jewish fucking conspiracy is purposefully misleading and absolute garbage, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE FUCK HE IS TRYING TO SAY. But you, on the other hand, flood the board with dozens of affidavits and hostile letters to everyone in Burke's fucking Peerage and then point to them as if they are evidence of anything but your own raving insanity. The only people who claim to understand them are THE OTHER FUCKING ENGLISH LAROUCHIANS on this site. Now all of you gather at your nearest pub, huddled over your EIR's and Schiller institute bullshit parsing every syllable of Lyn Marcus's (that's right, anti, he USED A PSEUDONYM TOO) manifestos about how artistic relations determine population density and how the world will not survive unless we retune the c note back to 256 oscillations per second and congratulate yourself for your bizarre, quixotic, and absolutely irrelevant diatribes against someone who could understand them no less clearly if they were written in Bulgarian. Now have a merry fucking Fitzmas.

by **israelirealities** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 3:22 am

Now I am going to insist ? is the term "homeless halo" a denotation for the Devil ? I have to get it straight. (Googled and nothing of that sort came up). Is Crowley the synonim for the Devil ? (you asked me how come I am likeable to someone whose name is the beast...). Frankly, I learnt about most of the connections to Crowley in this board, which is the reason I stay on this board despite the agony. There is so much knowledge here of things I would never hear otherwise. I knew who he was, but not how central he is in this business of occult mystery and fascist spirituality. And when it first came up here, when I was present I dreamt at night of a nest with snakes. Don't brush off that "warning" about nazis using my complaints on Israel, for propaganda. Because in fact, this sets the tone for any discussion on Israel. I don't think there is any equivalent. not only does it pose a very chilling effect on freedom of speech it suffocates me. You are not expected to brush off any protest or even bad feeling about your government, for the sake of not creating ammunition for Eric. I am expected to take him in consideration, as regards to jews or israel. does that make any sense ? this is the same logic of homeland security measures. You are asking whether I think the proplem of Israel has any global repercussions. no. I think the "rich Jews" are not the issue, and i don't buy it.There are rich Jews whom I think are part of the global problem. But having said that, I think the spin and the counter spin are creating two problems. One of them (which I am more interested in) is that Israelis are oppressed by their own government and have no recourse. Naturally, when there is pressure on a group, things happen. Is it important, what happens inside Israel because of the ignorance and projections ? to me yes. I suppose to others, not so much. Lastly, you are saying that Israel is not a client. So, you are saying to opposing things. One, that my complaints about ISrael feed the Erics, but at the same time, that I am perhaps brushing off the real part ISrael is playing in the world. That sounds like a "bad/mad" catch 22, to me. I don't know whether ISrael is "just" a client or a major player. i am trying to learn. Frankly, I think the question is a curve ball. There is no right answer, if the peson being asked is ISraeli. AL, English as second language...I truly appologize for slowing the pace. and I am serious about it, not fishing for compliments on the level of my ENglish. i see my English as part of MC pre conditioning. I am ambivalent about it, and it is not GOOD. I can communicate, but I do miss the subtelties, which sometimes, often, are where things really happen.

by **Gouda** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:29 am

Who are the Golems?!

by **Homeless Halo** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:51 am

I was avoiding this thread, mostly because I tend to collect brimstone in my wake sometimes, and was hoping to avoid making this more "fiery" than it probably already was. However, upon seeing myself mentioned a few times, my egoistic nature has forced me to speak on my own behalf, as no one else can/should. IR: HH is in fact NOT a denotation for the devil, and I don't believe that I have ever given any indication that it was. To assume as much would merely be what I'll call "Christian bias". HH is my own creation, and has nothing whatsoever to do with any infantile conceptions of the "devil" or whatever such nonsense. It is a "handle" I've been using for some number of years, which originally had NO implicit meaning, but was in fact the name of a "band" I was "involved" with during highschool, if you must know. It has no historical relevance at all, and if you googled it, if you were really lucky, you might find my posts on some other bbs, but nothing else. I have continued so long in the usage of this name only for my own convenience, so that those who know me already can spot me when we "bump" into each other online. I am very active in the online "occult" community, as I am in its physical correlation in the "Real world". Hope that helps some. Feel free to consider me the devil if you so choose. I'm sure HE doesn't believe in ME either. ----- Lemme see if I can do this in something somewhat resembling a method... -- re: DE said: (snips) -- "Contrary to how this might sound, I actually do not mean to "disparage" HH." -- Never assumed you did, personally. Always saw this as nothing more than friendly conversation about obviously very "hot" subjects. Please realize that I like you better than most of the folks here, which is why I give it to you as hard as I do. I also didn't "oust" you on purpose, in fact, I wasn't sure you were YOU (?) until you said so. -- "I don't agree with even his basic (I'd have to say conservative) political philosophy and I have all kinds of reservations about Thelema and Crowley, but his posts are always knowledgeable and intelligent." -- You're the first person who has ever called my political philosophy "conservative", most people regarding me as being more left than left goes. I guess its a matter of perspective. Couple this with the inability to discuss such things in depth here, and I can see how you might make this judgement. And MOST people have reservations about Crowley and Thelema. It is an expected reaction from those people who are unfamiliar with him/it on a personal level or whose only familiarity is based on "conspiracy theories" and/or "official" sources. Oh, and thank you. -- "And though I also have concerns FOR HH which I've shared (his missing time in an airforce "gifted" program, for example), he seems to be telling the truth as he sees it and is so open that, to be honest, just about anyone could probably locate him if they wanted to. I'm not sure he should actually be THAT free with info, actually, given his current reported anti-abuse campaign." -- Well, without giving MORE away, I can tell you, that it doesn't really matter if they notice me. In fact, that is sort of the idea. -- "However, I found it just a little strange that so many of the self described RA/MC victims on this site are so friendly with him. If you'll have a look at the "More satanic allegations" thread, which got completely derailed for awhile, you'll see what I mean. It almost looks flirtatious." -- See above. I am a born distraction. I can take full responsibility for my part in derailing said thread. As far as flirtatious goes, well, I should hope my girl never sees it this way(I didn't until you mentioned it, but I never do, one of my problems). That would be bad. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/indifferent.gif ALT=":|"> You know, even Thelemites you the term "Crowleyite" as an insult. Do you know why? Oh, and yes, I could quote literally hundreds of passages of Crowley's poetry which would seem to indicate he was "evil". Of course, besides this, I couldn't provide anyone with a shred of evidence that connects him to any actual "evil" practices (unless yoga and buddhist meditation are evil practices). Of course, Crowley himself cautions against a literal reading of any of his writings, being known for his purposefully obscure nature(due to the actual danger to the practicioner/others inherent in his occult methodology). He also had a penchant for "wallowing" in his role as a "black magician", seemingly enjoying even the negative attention he received, like most children with unsupportive/inattentive parents (his mother was the one who began calling him the Beast). I make no apology for Crowley, he was a bastard. But Thelemites do not worship him, nor do they even follow his teachings exclusively, a common misperception. In regards to numbers, you could list ANY number and I could quote Crowley on the importance of that number. He was a numerologist, ALL numbers were important to him, although some figure more prominently than others. DE/IR: Re: Numbers : I would be more than willing to discuss the Thelemic "view" on any numerological issue, and/or (sometimes the same) the "view" from "mainstream" occultism. I personally find numerology fascinating, but don't put too much stock in it myself. Generally speaking however, there are no "evil" numbers. Only neutral, which can be used as one chooses. DE: You a brit? Re: Crowley: I shall attempt not to hijack this thread, so if there are significant questions to these statements, please persue them elsewhere, as I've hijacked more than enough threads already (I seem to have a reputation for it). Edward Alexander Crowley was born to Puritanistic Parents. As a late adolescent he became involved with the Golden Dawn, a well-connected group of magicians and post-theosophists prone to infighting. Notable members include W.B. Yeats. Several books on his involvement are extant. In 1904 he had a "religous experience" wherein he was informed that he WAS the Beast(his mother was right) of the apocalyptic scriptures, and it was his appointed task to prepare the world for a devastating series of wars which would lead, inexorably, to an age of Peace(HeruRaHa) and Justice(Maat). Being an occultist, Crowley, like many of his kind, was well versed in religious history and mysticism. He did not believe in "the devil" as exists only in Christian Myth (historical fact). His own path was Graeco-Egyptian in nature, coupled with Eastern Mysticism and Expansive consciousness techniques derived from various Sufist sects. He regarded himself as a "gnostic" and a "christian" even, in the sense of Gnosticism. His "path" consists of several "lodges" which teach occultism at different depths. On the outside is the "dungeons and dragons" kind of occultism, with "sex magick" at its head. On the inside, his "path" is a continuation of the old STAR cults of Sirius, which he likely picked up among the Sufi. The Occult interpretation of prophetic literature is very divorced from the mainsteam view, and is therefore ripe for misinterpretation. Crowley considered himself a "Beast", but it should be noted, he also considered Krisha, Christ, Gotam, Moses, and Mohammed (among others) to be the same sort of entity. It would take a lot of space to explain the intricacies of this interpretation, but it does not differ significantly from mainstream occult views of this sort of literature. After his death, his "lodges" we co-opted by American and British intelligence agencies, and shifted from their initial intent(massively), to the point where they often deny even his own teachings. It seems that several people whom he wished removed, in fact, ended up in charge. This should very much remove him from responsibility for their actions, but most people do not tend to study this information with the "rigor" required to understand even the tiniest farthing of it. The Christan conspiracy machine welcomed a ready-made villain like Crowley, and are often among the first to pick and choose what to quote him on, normally whittling away the bits where he praises love and kindheartedness and gentlemanly behavior to focus on his "puns", normally they pick and choose from these too, tending to focus on anything that uses the word "sacrifice" (code for sex, only, as in the early 1900s one could be arrested for homosexuality, but not for writing about eating children). This has spun out of control to the point where even self-identifying "occult researchers" like JEFF (to pick one) often rehash thoroughly discredited "fables" about the Great Beast, without any source checking. Example: Crow was "good friends" with Donston (suspected of being Jack the Ripper). Crowley is considered remarkably important to occultism in the west for several reasons. His association with the founders of both "Chaos magic" (Spare/Grant) and WICCA (Gardner), the two most pronounced forms of modern western occultism. His association with "Satan" is infamous, even given his total lack of belief in Satan. He also makes a good boogeyman. As far as fascism goes, it could be noted that Crowley once thought, even planned, to introduce Adolf Hitler to his "religion". It could also be noted that several of Crow's followers were held by German authorities in Camps, and that Crowley's occult groups were among the first to be "liquidated" by the nazis in germany. It can also be noted that Crowley passively aided both British and American intelligence agencies during WW2 in operations centered on Germany's Thule Occultists. All of this is fairly well documented. ("M" from James Bond fame, as well as "Bond" himself, were members of Crowley's Argentum Astrum--the sirius cult--it is even suggested that "007" was the chosen moniker because of the connection to Dr. John Dee, the Elizabethean Magus) Insofar as Fascism goes, Crowley eventually came to his senses in regards to Hitler, and spent much of the rest of his life untangling his cult from those who "fell in" with the German fascists. Of course, this effort was for nought, as shortly after his death, the Americans and British, now thoroughly infused with Nazis, reintegrated his societies with those other. -------- I hope that helps a little. If I am overly confusing and you have a small question feel free to ask, if it is a LARGE question, we should take it elsewhere. BTW: I came to "conspiracy theoru" from the occult, not the other way around, like most of you apparently have. I am young, but have been seriously studying this area for the greater portion of my life. I sometimes drag subjects away from where they've been heading because things jump at me that might not jump at others. This is not done to harm, but because I have sincere interest in helping others to understand the complexities of the occult, and how it can be made to help the rest of some CT's make sense. God that was long winded. Love is the Law, Love under Will :. Cheers. SHCR

by **israelirealities** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 6:23 am

thank you HH, just one more "colombo" style nudging re the name. I understood DE's question to me, as implying that HH is a term used to stand for the Devil. In one thread earlier, can't remember which someone asked you is "HH have to do with the angel who was expelled ?" (that is the devil") and you responded positively. Now, I am totally confused as to what HH actually mean. (the words-term, not your usage). I first heard the term Thelema from you, and I am the last to know anything about it. Crowely, I have only vague knowledge. Frankly, I am not interested in western occultism, and since my experience with Jewish Kabala is bad, I tend to stay out of occultism alltogether and religion too. No offense. I did think you have done some diversion in the California Satanism thread, but that could be just feeling tired, the thread was heavy. 000 as for numbers, I think that my brain, especially in sleeping time, is releasing tons of MC crap and stuff I picked up from bad people who messed with me, and from general environment. I was a bit concerned to realize that I had few series of dreams with 9-11 prior to the event. My curiosity about it led me to dark allies, perhaps because I am not processing these issue properly with a therapist etc. I don't want to pick up the idea further. I will leave it at as a mystery why I dreamt it up. Then I thought perhaps I was just dreaming about calling the police, cause this is a very typical "help me" dream that people who experience oppression have. One expects the police to help. (archetypally) and so this number can have many meanings in a dream. As I said, occultism is not my cup of tea, given my history and the actual realities of my region. The place is infested with nuts, most of the occult people I met, after some digging (like I did with SOlara by remote internet connection) proved to be drinking from very soiled waters, be them Jewish or Christian or PAgan. This is misused cynically to hurt people, from mild rip off to severe RA/MC. I did mention somewhere that JEwish Law plainly warns that anyone under 40 who is not married with children should stay away. I think this is one advice I am taking from my elders to let others in the world know and heed. ---- HOwever, since a lot of it IS happening, I am happy to know, better minds than mine and people who are more grounded, can go down that cesspool and shed light. If this is what you are doing, I wish you success. Someone OUGHT to do it, I just don't know who. If you got sidetracked into a dark practice, i hope for you to step out quickly. I was worried when you mentioned you don't like people/humans and you'd eat fish cause they have no feelings. Heartlessness is a bad sign, or red flag to me.

by **Homeless Halo** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 6:49 am

HH doesn't mean anything as far as I know. I thought I had made it up, personally. Lots of people have read much into it. I remember the thread you mention where someone asked if it was a reference to Lucifer. My reply, I believe, was: "something like that". Which is true, but in the sense that I neither believe in the devil, nor believe that "christians" in general understand the history of their own religion very well. Homeless = not having a place that is "owned" by one's self. Halo = light nimbus, associated with saints of various faiths and with the messengers (angels) of the Jewish/Christian/Muslim faiths, among others. Make of it what you will, I personally didn't have the "obvious" interpretation in mind when I used it. You could note that in a technical sense, it couldn't apply to "lucifer" or any biblical-type angel, as they all have places appointed them. Jewish Kabala is 99% bullshit. Only a very small fraction of the modern sets of teachings regarding these practices are "real". And by "real" I mean historically valid as authentic representatives of Old Jewish Mysticism. For the untrained student, it can easily lead them into the hocus pocus realm of con-artists or even "black" magicians. I did do diversion in the Satanic Allegations thread, but it was not purposeful, I was only following my nose, so to speak. I go where the wind blows me. re: 9/11 .... The night before, Sept 10, some friends and myself were barbecuing and listen to local radio (88.7 Windsor/Detroit Alt Rock station) when a fellow(s) from the band LIVE played a song, and then followed it by discussing the topic of the song. This topic being that it would take something HUGE and catastrophic to lift American minds out of their apathy, and that it would likely be a rude awakening. My friends and I discussed just what sort of thing could do this. Among those things mentioned were several scenarios VERY similar to what actually happened about 12 hours later. I've heard stories from others detailing similar synchronicities. For my part, I believe that it is likely that the human "hive" mind, the collective unconscious, was VERY aware of what was about to happen, and was attempting to "warn" people through various means. I myself, did not have "nightmares" the night before, but I was working a night job, and didn't sleep that night. Jewish Law does infact warn against mystic study before full adulthood, as does Christian mystic law, and the statutes of Thelema itself "suggest" (no commandments here) that one be of "full" age (18 or so here) before commencing such study. I find this to be much too conservative, as I feel that the truth should be open for all to discover, and if it were taught more freely, less control would be needed to disseminate its contents. It is the tendency of those who have power to strictly limit the abilities of others to acquire it themselves. In some senses, this may be wise, in others, it is perhaps, nothing but another system of control. And so far as "dark practices" go, it could be mentioned by me that I've some experience with the "other" side, so to speak, but I've found it lacking in both power and knowledge, and honestly, to be a huge waste of my time, not to mention, bad for my light asthma. I've already gone down this hole, very deep, there is no turning back now. OH, duh, you're Israeli, and sometimes I forget you're not innudated with American pop culture in Israel. The fishes/feelings reference was to a NIRVANA song, "Something In the Way" ("and I'm living off of grass, and the drippings from my ceiling...its ok to eat fish, cause they don't have any feelings"). And I don't like people. This has nothing to do, however, with how I treat them, or whether I care about their well being. I merely find most of them to be annoying. I'd like to live as a hermit, far from civilization. Just me, and my goat. Call it heartlessness if you will, most of the people that know me just call me "anti-sociable". Cheers. SHCR

by **jenz** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 7:30 am

ra/mc victims or equivalent phrase is debunker speak, DE. all such persons introduce themselves, none have had the luxury of escaping all bloody into the street yelling help, and hearing the emergency services screaming in their direction, like it tells you on tv.

by **jenz** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 7:42 am

btw. to have extended the brief frivolity on the satanic thread, I should have thought more about pos. of persons connected directly with this case reading the material, and its potential upset. but can assure you DE, HH is safe from this granny <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

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