Huge explosion in Oslo

[8bitagent]

@lupercal:

I don't doubt the possibility of second or multiple shooters. It's beginning to look more and more like this may part of some possible neo Gladio black op being activated.
There's also no debate that he's drugged out of his mind, which I'm sure toxicology results will confirm. The Masonic/Fascist/bomb+mass shooting as cop scenario in a European country
is way too close to Novus Ordo and Gladio to be considered a coincidence.

My only argument is that I don't necessarily discount Anders involvement in the physical shooting. Often, if one is to have a brainwashed manchurian, one would want them to take part in some of the shooting. Tap into the ego and all that, plausible deniability.

[Peachtree Pam]

Just a couple of points from Politiken. Breivik's claim that in his youth he was friends with members of B-gang, an underworld group in Oslo, has been denied by members of the group. Gang members say they do not know his name or his face. They also said he was a loser that used "big names" to make himself look strong and make himself look as if he belonged (to their group). These claims made in his manifesto have enraged the gang, who have put a price on his head to take him out through their members who are in prison.

Breivik will be interrogated again today about any help he had. Police have said they plan to interview everyone who was on the island.

There is supposed to be a press conference by the police at 1 p.m.

Two psychiatrists will evaluate Breivik to see if he is mentally competent or whether he is deemed legally insane. Their report is to be ready around 1 November. If he is found to be insane, he will be put in a locked psychiatric ward.

[Phil]

Lots of good info in this thread....

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet, people are claiming that brevik underwent training in east europe....

http://en.rian.ru/world/20110728/165436665.html

Norway’s twin terror suspect Anders Behring Breivik trained at a secret paramilitary field camp in Belarus earlier this year, a Belarusian opposition politician said on Thursday, citing security sources.

“Breivik visited Belarus several times. This spring, as part of his preparations for his twin attacks, he visited Minsk, where he underwent training at a secret paramilitary field camp,” Mikhail Reshetnikov, the head of the opposition Belarusian Party of Patriots, told the Gazeta.ru online newspaper.

He cited sources within Belarus’s “security organs.”

Breivik, 32, has admitted to carrying out a bombing in Oslo, which killed eight, and a mass shooting at a Labor Party youth camp on the nearby island of Utoya, which left 68 dead. He has not accepted criminal responsibility, however, saying his actions were "atrocious but necessary" measures intended to "save Norway and Western Europe" from a "Muslim takeover."

Breivik mentioned in his online manifesto visiting Belarus to study the effects of fallout from the 1986 Chernobyl nuclear disaster. The former Soviet republic’s state border agency has confirmed he was in Belarus from March 4 to March 11, 2005.

Reshetnikov also claimed Breivik had participated in “sabotage-terrorism drills” under a former Belarusian special service officer and that he had used a fake passport to enter Belarus.

“His codename in Belarus’s KGB was Viking,” he added. “Rumors say he also had a girlfriend in Belarus.”

“The theory that Belarus’ special forces were involved in training Anders Breivik seems, of course, far-fetched,” political expert Viktor Demidov was quoted by Gazeta.ru as saying.

“On the other hand, [Belarusian] President Alexander Lukashenko’s friendship with Muammar Gaddafi is no secret - neither is his fondness for Adolf Hitler.”

Norway is taking part in NATO operations in Libya and Gaddafi has threatened attacks against Europe.

[8bitagent]

Wow, if that Brievik-Belarus security forces/paramilitary training connection is true...

[Phil]

There seems to be more info here;

http://www.russiablog.org/2011/07/norwegian-terrorist-breivik-trained-in-belarus-yuri-mamchur.php

No idea how good the sources are though? Certainly poses a few questions if it is true though....

[Phil]

Valery Lunev seems to have some interesting other contacts as well.....

http://left.ru/burtsev/baumgarten.phtml

Baumgarten, founder and chief editor of Left.ru, alleges that there exists a complex international conspiracy against Russian President Vladimir Putin and his likely successor Sergey Ivanov with the goal of putting in power a group of people who will surrender Russia to the West in the manner Gorbachev and Yeltsin did with the Soviet Union.

The operational center of this conspiracy is the “consulting” agency “FarWest, LLC,” with headquarters in Dubai. This company serves as a front for an alliance of secret services of several countries, represented by mercenary private intelligence and military companies, as well as individuals. They include Diligence, LLC, KBR, and New Bridge Strategies for the CIA and DIA; “Erinys International,” “Meteoric Tactical Solution,” Aegis Defence Servicesfor MI6 and Defence Intelligence Service (UK). Other owners behind 18 offshore companies, registered in Bahrain, that constitute FW, LTD are

family members of Turki al-Faisal and Adnan Khashoggi;
Generals Vladimir Filin (covere name) and Alexei Likhvintsev (cover name), representing Ukrainian military intelligence (GUR);
Brigadier-general Ruslan Saidov (cover name) and Hozh-Ahmed Nuhaev from “The Istambul Bureau” of Foreign Intelligence Service of the Republic Ichkeria (Chechnya), representing also Turkish General Staff and the Kadyrov's regiment under the command of Adam Demilhanov;
Colonel Valery Lunev (cover name), representing Victor Sheiman, secretary of the Belorussian State Security Council, and the Belorussian KGB.
Rolandas Paksas and Audrius Butkevicius from the Lithuanian Military Intelligence.

[Joe Hillshoist]

"Breivik visited Belarus three times. Last Spring, while actively preparing for the terrorist attacks, he entered Poland with his own passport, and then travelled to Minsk under a passport of another European country. He recently got a Belarusian girlfriend and obtained access to significant amounts of money." It would be long stretch to say that Belarus can be held somehow responsible for the attacks, but the facts are troublesome.

It'd be a long stretch indeed.

[chump]

I'm not about to read Breivik's manifesto. I've already read 70+ pages here, a lot of the links - and more. First, an explosion in the streets, and then all those terrified children desparately trying to escape Utoya island as a programmed mass murderer ruthlessly massacres their friends like some video game protagonist. Frustrated, we stare from the edge of our couch gazing at the carnage, as an army of Keystone Cops listen to the shooting from only a few hundred feet accross the water - for over half an hour. How does this make you feel? Is it disturbing? Does it make you feel afraid? Horrified? Helpless? Excited?

When I started reading about this on Monday, It only took a moment for me to realize what an incredible psyop it is; and I immediately thought of the Maestro... You know who. I remembered when it was reported that he was in Sweden during the wiki thing; and now - it is reported that he had "made a number of visits to Norway in recent weeks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t45d-PIEfEg - link to Steve Lendmen on Press TV - at about 6:50). Is this true?! Loughner? Kaczynski? Remember this? Like 911, OKC, and so many others, these things are designed to be confusing, to tear your heart, and of course to further an agenda.

While we busy ourselves unraveling the puzzle, the Internet is being fed and monitored in real time to pull this, and the next one off - kicking ass and taking names... again! I always learn a lot at this site, and I appreciate what you do to expose the truth. For some reason I was compelled to read it. Thanks a lot!

Damn! 7-22-11 was brilliant. It has a ritualistic, gamey, schticky, magicky, programmable aura that reminds me of something old baldy might do. But what I've done is to traumatize myself even more by delving even deeper into the script. Everyday, these media overwhelm our sensibilities, instilling fear and inducing trauma to make us feel uneasy. I know this! But here I am analysing the twisted reality of the perpetrators' making - entranced again!. Phuck that! Slap me! This is what they want me to do!

[Peachtree Pam]

http://www.russiablog.org/
"Russia Blog presents up-to-date news, facts and commentary on the state of events in Russia and the former Soviet Union. The blog was created and is managed by Yuri Mamchur, Director of Discovery Institute's Real Russia Project, Executive Director of the World Russia Forum, and a Vanderbilt University MBA graduate."

I looked up Discovery Institute, located in Seattle Washington. Look at the list of Adjunct Fellows:

Adjunct Fellows
Howard L Chapman
Frank Dillow
Edwin Meese
Robert Spitzer

Wikipedia biography of this world-class scumbag:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Meese

Phil, having found this out I do not know what it means for the complete picture. The Real Russia Project, the main activity of Discovery Institute, is described as follows:

"Project Director Yuri Mamchur created Russia Blog shortly after founding the Real Russia Project. The blog presents up-to-date news, facts and commentary on current events in Russia and other countries of the former Soviet Union. Its readers include business and political leaders, academics, and students conducting research on U.S.-Russia foreign policy.

Russia Blog is a touchstone of the Real Russia Project and has become a respected source for U.S. and Russia news outlets. American outletsoFoxNews, Bloomberg, CNN, Voice of America, Radio Liberty, The American Spectator, Yahoo News, Google News, Real Clear Politics, and Johnsonis Russia Listohave picked up the blogis reporting. Russian news agencies have also covered the projectis findings. Mr. Mamchur and other contributors have written 750 original posts, attracting more than 3,500 readersi comments. The blog attracted nearly 3,000,000 individual visitors in 2007 and has become the most popular page on Discovery Institute's Web site.

Aside from daily reporting and analysis on Russia Blog, the Real Russia Project produces more traditional analytic policy reports. In Fall 2006, for example, the project produced and distributed "10 Western Media Stereotypes About Russia: How Truthful Are They?" The report received extensive coverage from major Russian, American, and European media outlets. Several news agencies in Russia (Bloomberg, RTR TV Channel, Russia Today TV Channel, Radio Echo Moskvi, and Radio Svoboda) invited Mr. Mamchur and Discovery Institute president Bruce Chapman to participate in broadcast interviews to discuss the findings. "

Could this be an effort to send everyone on a wild goose chase, much like spending hours of time on the Arab patsies of 911 and Al Qaida, while many of the patsies pictured immediately were alive and well in Saudi Arabia.

[Phil]

Could this be an effort to send everyone on a wild goose chase, much like spending hours of time on the Arab patsies of 911 and Al Qaida, while many of the patsies pictured immediately were alive and well in Saudi Arabia.

It could well be, seems like an odd target though to try and implicate the belorussian KGB?

[JackRiddler]

Could this be an effort to send everyone on a wild goose chase, much like spending hours of time on the Arab patsies of 911 and Al Qaida, while many of the patsies pictured immediately were alive and well in Saudi Arabia.

It could well be, seems like an odd target though to try and implicate the belorussian KGB?

Except that "alive and well hijackers" turned out to be wrong. None of them has ever been shown to be the same person as one of the claimed hijackers. And it never made any sense (why would "they" construct patsies whom they leave alive to protest?).

chump, who is the Maestro?

.

[semper occultus]

could be some sort of hold-over from the previous well-attested links between the "old" neo nazi networks & the Soviet Union dating from the Cold War...with ofcourse close over-laps with Middle Eastern terrorist orgs

Stasi-Nazi connections

www.mail-archive.com

LOS ANGELES TIMES
News: Opinion
Sunday, September 10, 2000

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/2000909/t000085233.html

By MARTIN A. LEE

SAN FRANCISCO--Amid the recent surge of neo-Nazi violence in Germany,
reports disclosed that agents of the former East German secret service had
infiltrated and supported neo-fascist groups in the West during the Cold
War. This seems a decidedly strange partnering. But the prime objective of
the Stasi, according to documents discovered in the Gauck archives that
contain the communist-era secret police files, was to embarrass and
discredit West Germany's government.

These revelations came as German leaders deliberate over how to respond to
a recent wave of neo-Nazi hate crimes, including the brutal murders of
several foreigners and a bomb blast that injured six Jewish immigrants.

The newly released Stasi records indicate that East German intelligence
established ties to the neo-Nazi Hoffman Wehrsportgruppe (Hoffman Military
Sports Group) that sprang up in West Germany in the 1970s. "We had an
especially dense network of agents in this group," a former high-ranking
Stasi official told the magazine Welt am Sonntag. "It ensured that we were
able to steer the activities of these right-wing radicals in the right
direction and never against East Germany."

Hoffman group members were linked to several terrorist incidents, including
the 1980 slaying of a Jewish publisher in Erlangen, West Germany. Another
Hoffman group fanatic blew himself up while planting a bomb at Munich's
crowded Oktoberfest celebration in 1980. The final count of 13 dead and 200
hurt made this the worst terrorist incident in postwar Germany.

The Hoffman group was banned by the West German government after police
raided a castle near Nuremberg that served as a paramilitary camp for
neo-Nazis from several countries. The raid netted a large cache of
explosives, automatic weapons, uniforms, poisonous chemicals, antiaircraft
guns and an armored car--all supplied by sympathizers inside the West
German army.

Stasi contacts within the West German neo-Nazi scene included Odfried Hepp,
a young Hoffman group trainee who unleashed a spate of bombings that
injured military personnel and damaged property at four U.S. Army bases in
West Germany in the early 1980s. After hiding at a neo-Nazi safe house in
Britain, Hepp resurfaced in East Germany. The East German government's
refusal to provide financial reparations to Jewish Holocaust survivors and
its anti-Israeli foreign policy appealed to Hepp, who later became a paid
employee of the Tangiers-based Palestine Liberation Front, or PLF, led by
Mohammed Abu Abbas.

As it turns out, collaboration between West German neo-Nazis and communist secret service organizations began far earlier-than is suggested in the declassified Stasi files. A key figure in this strange political alliance
was Maj. Gen. Otto Ernst Remer, who served as Adolf Hitler's bodyguard and personal security chief during the final months of World War II.

[Peachtree Pam]

I'm not about to read Breivik's manifesto. I've already read 70+ pages here, a lot of the links - and more. First, an explosion in the streets, and then all those terrified children desparately trying to escape Utoya island as a programmed mass murderer ruthlessly massacres their friends like some video game protagonist. Frustrated, we stare from the edge of our couch gazing at the carnage, as an army of Keystone Cops listen to the shooting from only a few hundred feet accross the water - for over half an hour. How does this make you feel? Is it disturbing? Does it make you feel afraid? Horrified? Helpless? Excited?

When I started reading about this on Monday, It only took a moment for me to realize what an incredible psyop it is; and I immediately thought of the Maestro... You know who. I remembered when it was reported that he was in Sweden during the wiki thing; and now - it is reported that he had "made a number of visits to Norway in recent weeks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t45d-PIEfEg - link to Steve Lendmen on Press TV - at about 6:50). Is this true?! Loughner? Kaczynski? Remember this? Like 911, OKC, and so many others, these things are designed to be confusing, to tear your heart, and of course to further an agenda.

While we busy ourselves unraveling the puzzle, the Internet is being fed and monitored in real time to pull this, and the next one off - kicking ass and taking names... again! I always learn a lot at this site, and I appreciate what you do to expose the truth. For some reason I was compelled to read it. Thanks a lot!

Damn! 7-22-11 was brilliant. It has a ritualistic, gamey, schticky, magicky, programmable aura that reminds me of something old baldy might do. But what I've done is to traumatize myself even more by delving even deeper into the script. Everyday, these media overwhelm our sensibilities, instilling fear and inducing trauma to make us feel uneasy. I know this! But here I am analysing the twisted reality of the perpetrators' making - entranced again!. Phuck that! Slap me! This is what they want me to do!

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/20/r ... n-assange/
By David Edwards
Monday, December 20th, 2010 -- 11:53 am

Former Bush political strategist Karl Rove may be connected to a Swedish effort to prosecute WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, sources for several legal experts suggest.

Rove is a longtime adviser to Swedish Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt, who recently tapped the Republican operative to aid his 2010 reelection campaign.

Speaking to Legal Schnauzer's Robert Shuler, an unnamed source suggested that Rove is likely "playing a leading role in the effort to prosecute" Assange. The founder of the secrets website was arrested Dec. 7 in London after Sweden issued a warrant for alleged sex crimes.

After Assange's release on bail, Guardian obtained and published leaked details of the allegations against him. A WikiLeaks source told The Australian that the leaked police reports were "a selective smear through the disclosure of material."

And there's no coincidence that the charges against Assange originate in Sweden, Shuler's source said.

For at least 10 years, Rove has been connected to Swedish Prime Minister Fredrik. More recently, Fredrik, who is known as "the Ronald Reagan of Europe," has contracted Rove to help with his 2010 re-election campaign.

Rove was said to have fled to Sweden during the prosecution of former Alabama Democratic Gov. Don Siegelman, who believes his prosecution to have been politically motivated.

"Clearly, it appears that [Rove], who claims to be of Swedish descent, feels a kinship to Sweden . . . and he has taken advantage of it several times," the source added.

Shuler's source speculated that Rove could be trying to protect the Bush legacy from documents that WikiLeaks may have. "The very guy who has released the documents that damage the Bushes the most is also the guy that the Bush's number one operative can control by being the Swedish prime minister's brain and intelligence and economic advisor."

Following up on Shuler's report, Washington, DC legal reform advocate Andrew Kreig noted a "reliable political source" in citing Rove's Swedish connection.

"This all has Karl's signature," the source said. "He must be very happy. He's right back in the middle of it. He's making himself valuable to his new friends, seeing the U.S. government doing just what he'd like - and screwing his opponents big-time."

WikiLeaks and its partners in the mainstream media recently revealed that the Swedish administration kept anti-terrorism efforts with the US under the table and effectively hidden from parliament.

Julian Assange was recently released from a British prison on bail, pending an extradition hearing related to the Swedish allegations. US authorities said they were studying whether he could be prosecuted for espionage or conspiracy.

http://blog.norway.com/2009/10/02/karl- ... %B8stfest/

Karl Rove and Olav Thon honored at Høstfest

One of the special events during Høstfest in Minot, ND each year is the Scandinavian American Hall of Fame Banquet.

On Tuesday Sept. 29 Karl Rove was inducted into the Scandinavian-American Hall of Fame along with three others – Representative Earl Pomeroy, Tom Netherton of the Lawrence Welk Show, and Allen Larson of Minot – one of the founders of the Scandinavian Heritage Association. Rove, who served President George W. Bush for seven years as a White House advisor, says his Norwegian roots run deep and he considers being selected for the Hall of Fame a distinct honor. He says the strong ties to heritage that so many Americans have make the country strong.

“As Americans we all share a great experience of being sons or daughters or grandsons or granddaughters of immigrants. And of sharing in something called the American Dream. I’ve had occasion to travel the world and there’s no Chinese Dream, there’s no Australian Dream, there’s no Nigerian Dream, therer’s no British Dream, but you go anywhere and there’s an American Dream and people around the world know what it is and people around the world want to participate in it,” says Rove.
....snip...

Wikipedia says that Rove's adoptive father was of Norwegian descent. No info about his biological father.

This site, referring to the same ceremony, states the following:

http://carijean.hubpages.com/hub/Karl-R ... -Democrats
....snip

Karl Rove's Scandinavian Roots

Rove was selected to be inducted into the Scandinavian-American Hall of Fame because of his Norwegian roots. His great-great-grandfather, Olaf Rove, was a Norwegian immigrant. While living in Milwaukee, Wisconsin in the early 1900s, he helped other Norwegian immigrants make their way to America.

Karl Rove recounted that when he was in the White House, he had his grandfather's passports and diplomatic certificate as the vice counsel for Norway framed and hanging on the wall. These caught the eye of the Norwegian ambassador who was able to find documents relating to Olaf Rove. These documents showed that when Norway gained its independence from Sweden, Olaf Rove was asked to be the Norwegian counsel in America, similar to ambassador today. All he had to do was move to New York and give up his American citizenship. Olaf Rove's response was that he could not give up his citizenship, "it was too dear a price."

It looks like he was of Norwegian descent and had recently made trips to Norway.

So we have Will McCants translating a statement by "Helpers of the Global Jihad" taking responsibility for the attacks which was quickly retracted (Will didn't get the memo that we were launching a new, Nordic, nazi, anti-islam product this week)

Will McCants is head of Jihadica whose staff includes many members of the Norwegian Defence Research Establishment

We have news of the Balarus angle from a site which is affiliated with the Discovery Institute which has Edwin Meese as an Adjunct Fellow.

We have Karl Rove advising the Swedish PM and making frequent trips to Norway.

The only conclusion I can draw is that Jihadica, including the Norwegian Defence Research Establishment and the Republican right wing are connected to information that could be completely false. My head is swimming. That could be objective as Chump points out.


@ Jack Riddler - the Maestro is Karl Rove, I think.

[vanlose kid]

http://www.russiablog.org/
"Russia Blog presents up-to-date news, facts and commentary on the state of events in Russia and the former Soviet Union. The blog was created and is managed by Yuri Mamchur, Director of Discovery Institute's Real Russia Project, Executive Director of the World Russia Forum, and a Vanderbilt University MBA graduate."

I looked up Discovery Institute, located in Seattle Washington. Look at the list of Adjunct Fellows:

Adjunct Fellows
Howard L Chapman
Frank Dillow
Edwin Meese
Robert Spitzer
...

a whole page on Meese at history commons: http://www.historycommons.org/entity.js ... dwin_meese

some highlights:

1980s: National Program Office Establishes Secret Line of Presidential Succession
January 1980-July 1987: Reagan Advisers Run Parallel Government
April 1981: President Reagan’s Counsellor Praises PROMIS to Prosecutors
1985-1986: Current and Former Top US Officials Push for Iraqi Approval of Proposed Iraq-Jordan Aqaba pipeline
April 30, 1986: Meese Report Creates Unitary Executive Theory
November 21-25, 1986: Attorney General Meese Conducts ‘Investigation’ of Iran Arms Sales; Evidence Destroyed during Investigation
June 1987 or Shortly After: Attorney General Told PROMIS Case Judge ‘Off His Rocker’
October 2, 1991: Former Justice Department Official Claims PROMIS Possibly Transferred from Department to Private Business
October 10, 1991: Former Customs Services Officer Claims Key Justice Department Official Linked to Company Allegedly Involved in PROMIS Deals
Fall 2002 and After: Bush Administration Politicizes Civil Rights Division to Favor Whites, Christians, Conservatives

*

[norton ash]

JR:

chump, who is the Maestro?

Stephen Lendman, in the PressTV interviews Chump linked, says Karl Rove made recent visits to Norway.