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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby StarmanSkye » Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:10 am

SORRY -- I need to correct the ackward phrasing of my earlier post; I was referring to a poster's comment following the interview with Breivik's dad, NOT the dad himself. Breivik's dad was so put-out, very, very sorry about the terrible act of his son, even stating it would have been far better if Breivik committed suicide rather than commit such a horrible mass-murder. Your impression, AOL, about his dad being opposed to what his estranged son did is accurate. Sorry for the confusion.

Of course, anonymous internet comments are FAR from necessarily being accurate reflections of what people really believe or think, there could be any range of motives for saying stupid things, even 'just' pushing buttons for attentions or to provoke reaction. But I tend to think such posturing is manipulative and decietful. Far worse are those whose thoughts/beliefs commit and justify gratuitous violence, ie. as a means to an end.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby 8bitagent » Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:17 am

Did he hang petrol canisters in trees on the islands in order to light a big fire as a backup plan? That is a wild detail, that he was on his cell during the attack.

So far I have not seen much evidence of a second shooter or others directly involved, but i think mind control(if its a factor in this) has reached such a state that its possible no evidence could be easily found.

But I cant see how this is a "false flag" from the socialist government there...if anything its an attack on the government.

eyeno wrote:
Anders Behring Breivik, who has confessed to the twin attacks in Norway on July 22, claims he called police during the massacre of 69 people on the island of Utoeya, his lawyer has told Norwegian public broadcaster NRK.



This number reminds me of the concept of "twinning". Breivik's blonde hair and resemblance to Assange eerily sticks in my mind...still. People don't have to be identical twins from birth to be twinned in the occult do they?


You see a lot of this in dates.

JFK was killed on 11/22. MLK on 4/4. RFK was shot at the tail end of 6/5 but died on 6/6. Reagan was shot on 3/30

Princess Diana cars car struck the 13th pillar minutes after midnight on the 31st of august(13/31, mirror)

The ultimate twinning is of course the male and female north and south twin towers. Struck from the north first, just like they dun's like it.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby Peachtree Pam » Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:19 am

Harvey wrote:Anyone make anything of this twitter account? One post made on the nineteenth, 3 days before. Look at the account name:

http://twitter.com/#!/91177227


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Anyway to trace the person who set it up?
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby 8bitagent » Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:21 am

nathan28 wrote:
eyeno wrote:
Anders Behring Breivik, who has confessed to the twin attacks in Norway on July 22, claims he called police during the massacre of 69 people on the island of Utoeya, his lawyer has told Norwegian public broadcaster NRK.



This number reminds me of the concept of "twinning". Breivik's blonde hair and resemblance to Assange eerily sticks in my mind...still. People don't have to be identical twins from birth to be twinned in the occult do they?


If you can't see how this pseudooccultist obfuscation is exactly part of the fucking problem that led Breivik to cite again and again the American loony Christian right and nostalgic authoritarian pseudopopulism to support a project to blame the global economic crisis of neoliberalism on women engaging in casual sex, which in turn led him to kill dozens of unarmed left-wing adolescents whom he undoubtedly saw as somehow feminine, if you refuse to acknowledge the the real significance lies in the fact that no one in the Obama administration has queued Robert Spencer, Pam Gellar or Geert Wilders for drone-based assassination for "promoting terrorism", if that all falls by the wayside because like another infamous figure momentarily on the world-stage Breivik also has typically Scandinavian features, well, I'm not sure what compels your fantasies to take on the tinge of a boring fascistic mistaken-identity soap opera just right for trivializing the actions of reactionary extremists across the globe, but if that's all you can occupy your mind with, enjoy it.


So the San Francisco detectives and Chronicle reporters who looked into esoteric symbolism as an avenue of motive or linkage in the Zodiac killings...they were off base too?
Isn't it obvious by now that these black lodges and deep state networks are insanely obsessed with this stuff? I mean ending WW1 on 11:11:11? I ain't no Christian, and believe in no such Christian/Abrahamic/faith stuff. I just notice obvious criminal patterns when I see it.

It was precisely the black lodges of Europe from where CIA, NATO and Vatican linked fascist terrorism, banking swindles, assassinations and other deep state shenanigans sprung forth several decades prior.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby Peachtree Pam » Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:24 am

This is from vg.no, 3 August 2011

It gives the exact conversation of Breivik to police:

"«Breivik. Kommandør. Organisert i den antikommunistiske motstandsbevegelsen mot islamisering. Operasjonen er fullført og vil overgi seg til Delta.»"

Breivik. Brigadier. Organizer in the anti-socialistic fighting campaign against islamization. The operation is completed (fulfilled) and will handover to Delta.

The conversation took 3 seconds. Then Breivik hung up. The police tried to ring back but there was no answer. The phone was registered to Breivik but the police have not found it on the island.

From Politiken, 3 August 2011

Police found flasks filled with benzine in the trees. The head of the (swat forces) told this to Der Spiegel. He said he did not know what Breivik's plan was with these flasks. Der Spiegel wondered if he planned an inferno ending of fire.

In other news, Breivik spared the lives of some younger kids on the island because they were not old enough to be "brainwashed". The police nearly shot Breivik because of not being able to make out what the wires were at his head. This was due to his listening to music on his ipod while he shot people. The police plan to interrogate Brevik more aggressively. With regard to the question of ammunition available when captured his defense lawyer said he had no more ammunition on him, but he had plenty still in reserve on the island.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:42 am

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/small ... n-August-8

Discovery brings the Norway Massacre: The Killer's Mind to air on August 8.

The event premieres Monday, August 8 at 9PM ET/PT on Discovery Channel;
Encores on Investigation Discovery August 11 at 8PM ET/PT and
Military Channel August 16 at 10PM ET/PT –

The date July 22nd 2011 is one of unimaginable horror in Norway’s history. On this day, homegrown terrorist Anders Behring Breivik killed eight people by setting off a bomb outside government headquarters in Oslo. He also embarked on a 90-minute shooting spree, resulting in the death of 69 teenagers on Utoya Island.

In a program commissioned by Discovery Networks International and set to air this month across the United States, Europe, Middle East, Africa, Latin America and Asia-Pacific, Discovery Channel chronicles the events of that horrid day – and the impact it has on a nation – in Norway Massacre: The Killer's Mind.

The hour-long special will premiere on Discovery Channel in the United States on Monday, August 8 from 9-10PM ET/PT.

Breivik calls his actions “atrocious but necessary”, but exactly who is this man, and what led him to act? Through psychological analysis the special examines the mind and the motives of the self-confessed assassin who is responsible for these heinous killings.

This program provides new insight into Breivik’s motives by some of the world’s leading experts on criminal psychology, including Professor David Wilson and Johns Hopkins University’s Katherine Newman, analyzing his likely psychological journey during that day and asking just what drove him to orchestrate and carry out a plan of carnage.

Weaving together the moments leading up to this tragedy, the documentary also charts the hour-by-hour events from the time of the bomb set off in Oslo, to the cold-blooded shooting of defenseless young people on the idyllic island of Utoya. In addition, the special will provide first-hand accounts from eyewitnesses and survivors who personally suffered the tragedy.

An encore presentation will air on Investigation Discovery, airing under the ID Investigates banner on Thursday, August 11 from 8-9PM ET. Military Channel will air the special under the title 90 MINUTES IN HELL: ASSAULT ON OSLO on Tuesday, August 16 at 10PM ET.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:57 am

Peachtree Pam wrote:
Police found flasks filled with benzine in the trees. The head of the (swat forces) told this to Der Spiegel. He said he did not know what Breivik's plan was with these flasks. Der Spiegel wondered if he planned an inferno ending of fire.


How much benzene and how did he get it on the island?
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby Peachtree Pam » Wed Aug 03, 2011 5:01 am

@stickdog99

Nothing more said in any of the papers. :shrug:


Initially the police thought they were bombs and called in a bomb detonation squad which discovered they were flasks filled with benzine.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby chump » Wed Aug 03, 2011 8:19 am

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More fear! Hell man, when you see this shit over and over, again and again, after 30 or 40 years it's like watching the tide.

I found this through Anger Fan, who in spite of his rancor, posts a lot of interesting stuff. I'd never heard of the Sovereign Independent, but this article pretty well expresses the way I view the attacks.

http://www.sovereignindependent.com/?p=23991
Why the West Can’t Resist This Norway Massacre Psy-Op
By Stone Pinkerton
21st Century Wire
How do you define bizarre in today’s every increasingly wacky world of terrorism? Ever since the Cold War was won and history ended, we have been inundated with a seemingly never ending succession of spectacularly staged terror attacks and carefully crafted psy-ops.

This recent Norway Massacre is the latest in a series of high profile terrorist attacks which have succeeded only in inching societies worldwide further towards the final goal-line of an ever expanding global police state. Operation GLADIO 2.0? Whether you know it or not, it is rapidly unfolding before your eyes.

Recently joining the fold of public enemy number one stars, is a Scandinavian pin-up named Anders Breivik AKA “Andrew Berwick”. In case you missed it, he went on an epic rampage this past weekend.

As terrorists go, his media profile is about as slick as they come, even more refined than Osama bin Laden, scripted to the last detail and with plenty of collateral material. If he survives custody, his protracted trial will almost certainly be something along the lines of OJ Simpson meets Slobo Milosevich...

continued at link, but here are the author's...
... FINAL THOUGHTS ON PSY-OPS
Any successful psy-op can achieve real results in terms of political and media distraction, and at its best, it can gain previously difficult to obtain political ground. Doing all that can be relatively easy after an event, compared to before it. Like 9/11 showed us, this dreadful occurrence has already demonstrated its way of disabling people’s ability to think critically and ask the necessary questions to determine who was indeed- behind the deed. Who benefits? What synchronicity do we see with other geopolitical and economic event currently in play?

One obvious result of such a massacre is the ramping up in security and a further license for all law enforcement to take a more aggressive approach in the pre-crime apprehension of virtually anyone. Certainly now, the Norwegian police will arrest anybody suspected of carrying a gun or knife, or anyone deemed to be suspicious-looking.

The ripple effects of such an event are rapid. Only two days later, the UK Prime Minister David Cameron announces that Britain is taking “extremely seriously” claims by the man believed responsible for killing more than 70 people in Norway that he had links with far-right groups in England, namely newly touted right-wing demon, and now notorious English Defense League. The mish-mash overlap of European groups looks like a throwback to the days of the dreaded Red Brigades, the P2 Lodge, Gladio and dare I say, Carlos the Jackal – yes, those wild days when disaffected East German students would risk life and limb to fight for the PLFP in Europe and the Middle East, whilst carrying freelance hit jobs to destabilise OPEC for the pleasure of a country like Iraq, who were actually being encouraged by the CIA to start a war with Iran. Those were the days…

The Norway talking points are already being circulated as we speak. Experts are saying the following: We need more security. Gun ownership is dangerous. Right wing thinkers could be dangerous. Multiculturalism in Europe may have back fired.

This of course will mean a full reclassification of all political activists and causes. The social re-evaluation may not stop there- it just might include anyone who holds an opinion on virtually anything. We also learned from agent Breivik that now the far-right are being anti-this, and anti-that. This will no doubt be seen by the authorities as an exciting new developement in the profiling of far-right mass killers. If you are anti-gay you are bad, or don’t like no prayer in schools you are bad etc. This can be extended to include anything, like the lack of support for the supposed war on terror. In this brave new world, it seems wrong to have an opinion that differs from being ultra liberal. Think outside “the box” ? Well, you are bad, very bad.

Because the perp in this case, Anders Breivik, is a white skinned, blonde haired pin-up model, and appearing to be 100% politically motivated by reports in the media, the mob will tend towards an apologist or sympathetic tone- and they clearly are doing this. A side note here: Anders is certain to receive thousands of love letters and marriage proposals from disaffected lonely western women- particularly from females residing in the UK, US and Canada.

But let’s not kid ourselves here: if he had been a Muslim, then the experts and political operators would have already firmly denounced his agenda and be steadfast in defending “western values” (anyone’s guess what those are). We will even defend vice, depravity and slandering other faiths in the face of any terrorist that possesses a markedly Eastern or Islamic bent. Ditto if he was a white, gun-toting militia from Indiana- in the new politically correct glossary, this is equal to a Muslim in the eyes of any mainstream politician or news pundit who thinks they can gain some political kudos for denouncing anyone who demonstrates a right to carry arms or does not worship at the altar of the state.

Either way, they are simply ‘terrorists’, and as Ronald Reagan taught us some 30 years ago, “We don’t negotiate with terrorists”, regardless of what their political agenda might happen to be. But Anders… well, he’s different. He’s not a Muslim.

Hence, Anders Breivik has not been classified as a pure terrorist by the media mob, rather he has already been officially labeled as a “political extremist”. This is an important detail when we consider the talking points that will be rolled out over the next few weeks. These talking points will form the thrust of social conditioning which the public will undergo as a result of the Norway massacre event.

Here is the other point of a psy-op like this one. It’s easy to be Anders Breivik. Very easy, so we are told. It is not hard to buy fertilizer. It is not hard to buy 55 gallon drums. It is not hard to pour fertilizer into those drums and add diesel to them. It is not hard to load them into a van. It is not hard to drive a van. It is not hard to park a van. It is not hard to initiate an M60 fuse igniter. It is not hard to walk to a car you parked nearby yesterday or the day before. It is not hard to drive to an island. It is not hard to slaughter a crowd of unarmed young people on that island. Anyone can apparently do it, and so can you.

That makes you a potential terrorist. Indeed, here in lies the functionality of the psy-op.

All eyes are on you now.

By all accounts, this is a false flag psy-op with some real legs on it, and may run for years. This one should be interesting to say the least.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby Harvey » Wed Aug 03, 2011 1:51 pm

barracuda wrote:
Bruce Dazzling wrote:Do you see any evidence of tampering in either of these, 'cuda?


I spent some time looking, inverting, applying filters such as "find edges" and the like, and all I can honestly say is that in an image as degraded by jpeg compression artifacting as this one is, just about anything could be the case. Anyone who tells you that they know for certain that those images have been altered is confirming a bias imho, because I see nothing that jumps out at me. And we now have four separate images of the same scene, all relaying extremely similar data, with no conflicts as far as I can tell.

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The image above is the oddest one, because of the frontal pose, the red eye effect and the centering of the figure within the window. But is it pasted in? To me, evidence of manipulation is unconvincing. Look closely at the bright green and red compression artifacts around his eyes. I can't for the life of me understand why these would have been inserted in a fake, they are natural occuring debris, and similar greenish flecks are found near the driver's ear and hair, in the reflection under the rearmost window, and even a bit around the thin wire antenna to the upper far left. I don't see faking it in the pixels, and don't understand the purpose or the motive that would require it. But again, it's impossible to be sure without an earlier generation image.


Can't find where you said you had twenty years photoshop experience, presume you've edited it away. I have to admit I only have sixteen. But at a very high level.

Fact is the ears are wrong for the angle of the face as confirmed by comparison between the different images.It's the kind of telltale problem with an image that amateurs miss or don't know how to correct when editing. The why, is where my argument fails. I simply can't see a motive.

And looking for odd artefacts at low resolution is not as crazy as it sounds, doctored images which in the full resolution have only a few pixels astray, when reduced and compressed can exagerate edges, texture changes and outline sharpness. I know from long experience. Often you find otherwise inexplicable and puzzling resolution changes which are quite evident, as I have already said, in the photo of fuckhead in the military uniform.

Let's agree to disagree. Let the thread go forward.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby eyeno » Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:13 pm

what happened to wombat's post in which he indicated that the people that want to take down assange and the people backing olso explosion were one and the same? i lost it and wanted to reply to it.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby ConcreteJungle » Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:16 pm

eyeno wrote:what happened to wombat's post in which he indicated that the people that want to take down assange and the people backing olso explosion were one and the same? i lost it and wanted to reply to it.



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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby lupercal » Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:18 pm

Harvey wrote:The why, is where my argument fails. I simply can't see a motive.

Harvey it's very odd that you mention that because these pics, even to a rank amateur, do look ridiculous, like somebody used MS Paint to put a smiley headshot into the cop car, but as you say, why would do they that?

Well the weird thing is, I looked at a video of "Breivik" being brought into that car, in what what looked like a basement garage, then the car driving out with a gaggle of photographers clicking and flashing away, much like the DSK perp walk, but at night, and there was no actual walk. I was trying to figure out how tall he is and what kind of haircut he has, to match him with the bald shooter, but what's weird is that I couldn't get a good look at Breivik either getting into the car or driving by.

In other words, even though there's video, and the video shows a bunch of photographers who would presumably alert us if it wasn't this guy, I never actually saw his face. So I'd have to suppose it's possible that Happy Red Polo isn't the guy they put in the car, which would explain why these pics look so, well, let's say so surreal.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby Harvey » Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:30 pm

lupercal wrote:
Harvey wrote:The why, is where my argument fails. I simply can't see a motive.

Harvey it's very odd that you mention that because these pics, even to a rank amateur, do look ridiculous, like somebody used MS Paint to put a smiley headshot into the cop car, but as you say, why would do they that?

Well the weird thing is, I looked at a video of "Breivik" being brought into that car, in what what looked like a basement garage, then the car driving out with a gaggle of photographers clicking and flashing away, much like the DSK perp walk, but at night, and there was no actual walk. I was trying to figure out how tall he is and what kind of haircut he has, to match him with the bald shooter, but what's weird is that I couldn't get a good look at Breivik either getting into the car or driving by.

In other words, even though there's video, and the video shows a bunch of photographers who would presumably alert us if it wasn't this guy, I never actually saw his face. So I'd have to suppose it's possible that Happy Red Polo isn't the guy they put in the car, which would explain why these pics look so, well, let's say so surreal.


Soembody was in the car. We know that much. These photo's are odd. That much seemd clear to me...

But it just keeps getting more parrallel universe by the minute when he get's to wear his red sweater and have reading material (the ghost fingers are clearly visible in that shot) but also has his demands not to be photographed for mug shots summarily met!

Even oswald didn't get that luxury, see my doctored avatar photo. (And yes, I have doctored it.)
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby barracuda » Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:34 pm

Harvey wrote:Can't find where you said you had twenty years photoshop experience, presume you've edited it away.


It's still here.

Let's agree to disagree.


I'm fine with that, but I still disagree.
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