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nathan28 wrote:
Several parts of the above interview strike me as being researched or too hidden-referential for my liking: particularly, the bit about dolphin sex (see some passages in John Lilly) and the part about astral/mnemonic houses (see any book on renaissance/classic rhetoric & memory art). The bit about underground tunnel systems, immediately recalls McMartin, and I don't mean that to suggest a common link, either. The suicide at 30 programming--I saw Logan's Run, too. Look, I shouldn't be able to pull a book off my bookshelf that has nothing to do with dark subject matter like this and find passages that seem borrowed.
What I can't tell is the extent to which any of that, if it's even there and I'm not being flippant in my dismissal, is in bad faith--that seems to be the nature of this beast.
Generally speaking, from the woo angle, if you are going to go about the astral plane to "recover" memories, you ought to be careful just who you listen to up there. And more generally, most of the time when I read "astral" and "CIA" in the same piece, I just walk away..
nathan28 wrote:On edit, since I'm going on intuition here and it seems connected. Lilly's book I'm referring to is Programming and Metaprogramming in the Human Biocomputer, and for some reason the title seems relevant. In addition to a mention or two about negotiating sexual territory with dolphins over the course of his ketamine and sensory deprivation experiments (on himself, not the dolphins), he also mentions that he intermittently encountered beings that he ranked as above human, whatever that means. Nothing in his book, however, has anything to do with a program of coercive mind control, nor do i think it could save in the grossest general outlines; by accounts his "programming" research was almost or entirely with himself as the sole experimenter-subject. He means "programming" in a rational/waking-level conscious way.
American Dream wrote:John Lilly was doing psychology research from back in the 50's that was funded by military/intel backers with an interest in mind control agenda. I think he did sensory deprivation work and some brain implantation down the hall from Maitland Baldwin at NIH but said he didn't like some of the grossly unethical activity he was finding out about then. To what degree he succeeded in busting loose of all that in the 60's and 70's is still an open question.
I would personally consider him somewhat akin to Tim Leary in that both started off with funding from those sectors, but took a pinch of psychedelic and thought they would soar far, far beyond the Cold War boys. To what degree they did and/or to what degree they continued to be influenced by this sector, is very much still subject to debate.
...in countries where you drive on the right, it is. In countries where you drive on the left it's clockwise, obviously.Beth Goobie wrote:the U-turn, or 180 degree turn, made by a vehicle or pedestrian. This U-turn is always counterclockwise
Beth Goobie wrote:For years, quantum physics has posited that we live within a structure of infinite parallel universes, each of which exists at a different set of frequencies. What separates these universes is not space, but frequency--some vibrate quicker than others. It is generally thought that the level of reality we call the 'physical world' is the densest level, the one that vibrates at the slowest rate. Theorists often state that what appears in this level has its counterpart in other levels, changing slightly in each one. Not only do you and I live in a succession of parallel universes, so does your bed, your pet, your acquaintances and your public library, albeit slightly altered in each one.
Well put. And for the concentration of mental power.Joe Hillshoist wrote:Cities are grids for the manipulation and movement of economic power.
nathan28 wrote:IIRC Lilly's complaint was that the animal experimentation was unethical--IIRC brain implants or open-skull surgery or something to that extent--and he made significant efforts to treat dolphins in a much more respectable manner. Much of his experimentation was reported as being with LSD, but he admitted that he was using ketamine rather than LSD because at the time LSD was getting funding and interest. And by my reading almost all of what he writes about is pretty clearly derived from his own subjective account--i.e., he was the primary experimental subject. It does seem like he injected dolphins, though he earnestly also seemed to believe he was in communication with them in some profound way.
Unlike Leary, Lilly never pursued a prophet/culture hero role, and unlike SRI he largely didn't seem anywhere near as ambitious. I am, though, generally uncommitted to defending him but I have some distaste for anything that smacks of moral panic in this regard. So if there's discrete evidence to show that he was up to no good, I'll welcome it. Aside from the obvious, being part of the US war machine. I'm not aware of him being a rat the way Leary was w/r/t character issues like informing whenever it was to his advantage.
From the interview:
My situation, unfortunately, was not unique. In fact, in the 1970s the programmed sex-slave industry was already so well-established that I remember being used to courier boxes of slave-programming manuals. In the 1980s, when I met a man for a programmed sex assignment in a hotel, there was often a brochure on the night table that explained how to access certain of my programs through specific body-pressure points and verbal phrases. Most of these programs were generic—any trained slave would respond to the same triggers. One program involved rapidly vibrating my throat cartilage while deep-throating a man’s erection, by sending surges of energy upward from my spine and shoulders into my neck.
It is important to point out here that none of these slaves were ever paid for their efforts. They were expected to function for hours in the middle of the night, sexually servicing a city’s elite in their homes, hotels and private clubs, then repress the memories and head off to their day jobs as school teachers, physiotherapists and dental assistants, etc. While their existence has never, to my knowledge, been acknowledged by the mainstream media, in the early 1980s the programmed female sex slave was so common that I remember randomly flagging down a Winnipeg taxi to get to a “job” and giving the driver an alpha-numerical code. He then charged my cab fare to a special account. I didn’t have to explain this code to him; he knew it well.
From the interview:
It is important to point out here that none of these slaves were ever paid for their efforts. They were expected to function for hours in the middle of the night, sexually servicing a city’s elite in their homes, hotels and private clubs, then repress the memories and head off to their day jobs as school teachers, physiotherapists and dental assistants, etc.
from the interview:
So there were obvious signs leaking through to my front alter that something was amiss. In hindsight, I would say that though I was heavily programmed, there was also an intense resistance to that programming or I would not have survived that period. This internal resistance was my only support system - no one else has ever “helped” me. Not that I didn’t seek help. Several therapists that I hired turned out to be cult-affiliated.
PS In a waking vision I had back in my 20's, I saw a vast grid that underlaid our reality. And I know a guy, a scientist, who had a very similar one. But neither of us attach any occult baggage to it and we continue to question its meaning and source. Interestingly, he's a survivor of severe childhood abuse too...
nathan28 wrote:There really is a larger point going on with that astral plane stuff. I won't pretend to know what it is but it's important. I'll suggest, maybe and with no commitment to the idea, that much of what comes out of the RA horror stories--i.e., the ones that can't be believed or have been disparaged and debunked on all sides--is basically true on the astral plane. Like Jeff's work is fantastic in the way it draws connections of those sorts but you're up the creek if you start thinking it's evidence.
nathan28 wrote:I mean, just pulling some stories from the BBC makes it a QED that there's a loose network of child trafficking with at least some protection by and from law enforcement and the judiciary world wide. Anything beyond that is frankly window dressing. With something so fucking evil, frankly, satanic UFOs are just window-dressing. Yes, Michael Aquino is a creep, and it's fucking suspect that not only can kids who claim to have been abused describe the interior of his house accurately, it's fucking weird that he fucking thinks he's in communication (scholars of ancient Egyptian might note the joke is on him) with a discarnate entity that in fact turns out to be none other than the actual, bona fide Egyptian god Set, and yeah, it's fucking weird that some of the SRI head honchos hung out with Brooke Astor and claimed to talk to the same dude. And yes, there are some general isolated data points that suggest that it's possible that exploitative elites have their own millenia-spanning secret cult. But guess what? Did you read the part about "exploitative" and about child sex slaves? You did because I bolded it. You step in shit and it doesn't matter what fucking color it is--it's still shit.
nathan28 wrote:FWIW I have spent a significant amount of time in sensory deprivation before, as well as "enhanced" sensory deprivation. It's difficult for me to imagine that it could be used in a mind control/weaponized modality, though I will admit that it gets really weird really quick and that it can leave you bewildered. Taken in isolation it's not damaging, though since nothing happens in an isolated context, I can imagine that it'd be all to easy to put someone into an awful mental set, be it with horror movies or actual abuse, and then put them in an isolation tank to rot.
There is no need to compliment perps with inter-dimensional accessing ability if there is no real evidence for it, and it may be detrimental to dissent of you do so. I do not know what an astral plane is, even though I know that whatever facility was being tested during RV experiments, it was not only measured but named.
I'll make another small note here. Civilian science with its FMRI studies of DID and related "disorders" is beginning to approach what military science was working with over 4 generations ago. They are discovering finally that experiences labeled dissociation do not exist upon a scale of quantitative difference, but may be entirely different experiences altogether. To wit, to tap into the stream of time is qualitatively different from accessing the alter who taps into the stream of time.
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