The Network of Stolen Consciousness

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Re: The Network of Stolen Consciousness

Postby DeltaDawn » Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:21 pm

Although I don't think it's intentional, there is a lot of disinformation. Foremost, what has already been stated, the extreme RA was most likely a smokescreen to further confuse children of much more horrific experiences.

I can remember as a young adult being encouraged in astral projection, but because by that time I had started to resist many suggestions from the handler, I refused. (not that I knew at the time I was being 'handled', just defiant by nature lol) Side note: This was during a period this handler was extremely involved in the Christian Scientist Church. In the military I asked why a place gone to wasn't in my record and the Captain made a joke about maybe I had an out of body experience and laughed at me, wtf?? Now I'm not saying it's not real for some victims, because they could be strong Thetas, but I more think it's also a smokescreen or possibly has to do with remote viewing experiments.....Only current thoughts here, still learning..

Through the links here I read that Beth believed each 'compartment' in her mind contained many alters. Now at this time, I was fairly triggered, so may have waaay misunderstood, but I don't think each mind grid has an alter. I think an alter manages many emotions, strengths, memories etc. but I don't think each of these grid compartments/houses.. has an alter/personality. Maybe my mind's grid is different but she said many things right there I could relate to because I'd already 'gotten' it. Just saying for a victim just starting out, that scenario could scare the hell out of you. One reason I always hated the term MPD, good God how many strengths (what I like to call them) do I need to migrate. It just sounds too much like there are different people, not just 'parts' of our whole being. Since I'm starting to lose my own logic, maybe it's just me and sorry, I'll try again when I'm more lucid.
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Re: The Network of Stolen Consciousness

Postby LilyPatToo » Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:31 pm

On "many alters" in compartments -- the young prostitute alter I've come to know the most about, Lily, unexpectedly had a complete meltdown on Christmas Day of 2005, after we saw the Memoirs of a Geisha movie at a Berkeley theater. I saw glass shattering all through her and other sub-alters (?) that had held all of her grief and pain were suddenly released. She experienced a lifetime's trauma in a few minutes and had a breakdown--just as an ordinary, singular consciousness person might if they suddenly discovered that their happiness had been dependent upon complete denial and unconsciousness of all the degradation they'd survived. It was terrible. Before this happened, she hadn't been conscious of these other alters' existence at all--the glass that hid them was sort of mirrored, like one-way glass, I think.

As for theta programming, I've wondered for over 35 years now who the self-described "investment banker" guy was who came to my home to "teach me to meditate" in 1974. The friend who introduced us, a friend of a friend actually, was a very manipulative and slippery woman with Mob connections who I now suspect was working for an intelligence agency. His "lessons" were hypnotic programming sessions that at the time left me feeling really confused and upset once the "meditation's" blissful effects wore off. I had almost complete amnesia around my time with him. He drove a luxury car and was beautifully dressed and groomed--my best guess now is that he was a "spychiatrist" rather than a banker. He later pressured me into volunteering as a test subject at the first New Age exposition held in Pittsburgh, PA in 1974. Even though I'm extremely shy, I found myself on a stage in front of a crowd, lying in a reclining chair, with electrodes hooked up to my head. It was a demonstration put on by (I think) Carnegie Mellon University grad students. And even though (supposedly) I'd only been meditating for a few months, I proceeded to accurately produce specific brain wave states on command :shock:

Back then, the people who were messing with me were definitely involved in influencing the early New Age Movement. The kinds of things that Beth Goobie talks about were a big part of it and since I was immersed in it I have a lot of trouble separating the program cover-up disinfo crap from what may be genuine anomalous experiences. So in response I've walked away from all of it until I can learn enough to sort wheat from toxic chaff.

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Re: The Network of Stolen Consciousness

Postby Project Willow » Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:01 pm

nathan28 wrote:
Several parts of the above interview strike me as being researched or too hidden-referential for my liking: particularly, the bit about dolphin sex (see some passages in John Lilly) and the part about astral/mnemonic houses (see any book on renaissance/classic rhetoric & memory art). The bit about underground tunnel systems, immediately recalls McMartin, and I don't mean that to suggest a common link, either. The suicide at 30 programming--I saw Logan's Run, too. Look, I shouldn't be able to pull a book off my bookshelf that has nothing to do with dark subject matter like this and find passages that seem borrowed.

What I can't tell is the extent to which any of that, if it's even there and I'm not being flippant in my dismissal, is in bad faith--that seems to be the nature of this beast.

Generally speaking, from the woo angle, if you are going to go about the astral plane to "recover" memories, you ought to be careful just who you listen to up there. And more generally, most of the time when I read "astral" and "CIA" in the same piece, I just walk away..


I agree with you Nathan for the most part, and thank you for those references. The damaging part is that so much of the material is so close to actual scenarios, but again, it's clothed in absurd details. If it were up to me, I wouldn't promulgate it. I agree it's probably not possible to tell whether it's controlled or conscious bad faith, but it is one or the other.


nathan28 wrote:On edit, since I'm going on intuition here and it seems connected. Lilly's book I'm referring to is Programming and Metaprogramming in the Human Biocomputer, and for some reason the title seems relevant. In addition to a mention or two about negotiating sexual territory with dolphins over the course of his ketamine and sensory deprivation experiments (on himself, not the dolphins), he also mentions that he intermittently encountered beings that he ranked as above human, whatever that means. Nothing in his book, however, has anything to do with a program of coercive mind control, nor do i think it could save in the grossest general outlines; by accounts his "programming" research was almost or entirely with himself as the sole experimenter-subject. He means "programming" in a rational/waking-level conscious way.


I know of one other survivor who claimed in her memoir to have been sent to Lilly's compound where she was used in experiments with dolphins. Other than that, I don't know of any other direct connection between Lilly and the programs. Perhaps someone else here might.

Like many doctors or researchers Lilly's work was co-opted for nefarious purposes. I spent time in iso tanks, and they were used for extreme torture. I believe other survivors have recounted similar experiences. It seems understandable how disinfo could emerge through that kind of connection.

There is a bit of creepy synchronicity. The interviewer asks Goobie about the machines used on her. The various ad hoc devised implements and co-opted medical procedures used for torture and conditioning in the mc programs are actually the subjects of my next solo show. The word machines, I think, is significant. I used it in the show's title, and it's too late to change it now. More on that later.
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Re: The Network of Stolen Consciousness

Postby American Dream » Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:10 pm

John Lilly was doing psychology research from back in the 50's that was funded by military/intel backers with an interest in mind control agenda. I think he did sensory deprivation work and some brain implantation down the hall from Maitland Baldwin at NIH but said he didn't like some of the grossly unethical activity he was finding out about then. To what degree he succeeded in busting loose of all that in the 60's and 70's is still an open question.

I would personally consider him somewhat akin to Tim Leary in that both started off with funding from those sectors, but took a pinch of psychedelic and thought they would soar far, far beyond the Cold War boys. To what degree they did and/or to what degree they continued to be influenced by this sector, is very much still subject to debate.

I have no idea if the Beth Goobie allegations about Lilly are literally true, though I would tend to doubt it.
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Re: The Network of Stolen Consciousness

Postby nathan28 » Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:28 am

Really, my beef is with the interview. It smacks of a sort of fabulism or pastiche of greatest hits in the conspiracy world. I can't know whether that sort of imaginative/mythological reconstruction is a necessary step in healing or not, but I'll admit it can be for some. OTOH it can be just another trap. So i need to make sure to say as much.

There really is a larger point going on with that astral plane stuff. I won't pretend to know what it is but it's important. I'll suggest, maybe and with no commitment to the idea, that much of what comes out of the RA horror stories--i.e., the ones that can't be believed or have been disparaged and debunked on all sides--is basically true on the astral plane. Like Jeff's work is fantastic in the way it draws connections of those sorts but you're up the creek if you start thinking it's evidence. I mean, just pulling some stories from the BBC makes it a QED that there's a loose network of child trafficking with at least some protection by and from law enforcement and the judiciary world wide. Anything beyond that is frankly window dressing. With something so fucking evil, frankly, satanic UFOs are just window-dressing. Yes, Michael Aquino is a creep, and it's fucking suspect that not only can kids who claim to have been abused describe the interior of his house accurately, it's fucking weird that he fucking thinks he's in communication (scholars of ancient Egyptian might note the joke is on him) with a discarnate entity that in fact turns out to be none other than the actual, bona fide Egyptian god Set, and yeah, it's fucking weird that some of the SRI head honchos hung out with Brooke Astor and claimed to talk to the same dude. And yes, there are some general isolated data points that suggest that it's possible that exploitative elites have their own millenia-spanning secret cult. But guess what? Did you read the part about "exploitative" and about child sex slaves? You did because I bolded it. You step in shit and it doesn't matter what fucking color it is--it's still shit.


American Dream wrote:John Lilly was doing psychology research from back in the 50's that was funded by military/intel backers with an interest in mind control agenda. I think he did sensory deprivation work and some brain implantation down the hall from Maitland Baldwin at NIH but said he didn't like some of the grossly unethical activity he was finding out about then. To what degree he succeeded in busting loose of all that in the 60's and 70's is still an open question.

I would personally consider him somewhat akin to Tim Leary in that both started off with funding from those sectors, but took a pinch of psychedelic and thought they would soar far, far beyond the Cold War boys. To what degree they did and/or to what degree they continued to be influenced by this sector, is very much still subject to debate.



IIRC Lilly's complaint was that the animal experimentation was unethical--IIRC brain implants or open-skull surgery or something to that extent--and he made significant efforts to treat dolphins in a much more respectable manner. Much of his experimentation was reported as being with LSD, but he admitted that he was using ketamine rather than LSD because at the time LSD was getting funding and interest. And by my reading almost all of what he writes about is pretty clearly derived from his own subjective account--i.e., he was the primary experimental subject. It does seem like he injected dolphins, though he earnestly also seemed to believe he was in communication with them in some profound way.

Unlike Leary, Lilly never pursued a prophet/culture hero role, and unlike SRI he largely didn't seem anywhere near as ambitious. I am, though, generally uncommitted to defending him but I have some distaste for anything that smacks of moral panic in this regard. So if there's discrete evidence to show that he was up to no good, I'll welcome it. Aside from the obvious, being part of the US war machine. I'm not aware of him being a rat the way Leary was w/r/t character issues like informing whenever it was to his advantage.

FWIW I have spent a significant amount of time in sensory deprivation before, as well as "enhanced" sensory deprivation. It's difficult for me to imagine that it could be used in a mind control/weaponized modality, though I will admit that it gets really weird really quick and that it can leave you bewildered. Taken in isolation it's not damaging, though since nothing happens in an isolated context, I can imagine that it'd be all to easy to put someone into an awful mental set, be it with horror movies or actual abuse, and then put them in an isolation tank to rot.
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Re: The Network of Stolen Consciousness

Postby American Dream » Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:48 am

Sensory deprivation must vary as much as psychedelics do between good trip/bad trip, as say the difference between when you plunked down good money for an hour in a tank vs. the interminable torture of waiting in the silent dark, fearing how you'll be brutalized next time in some CIA black site.

As to Lilly, I tend to agree with you Nathan, and find Goobie's claims about him dubious.
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Re: The Network of Stolen Consciousness

Postby stefano » Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:29 am

Interesting, thanks Terry, I'll have to read it again. Though I really think no-one who believes the Annunaki theory has made much of an effort to understand biology, and some of the first article is plainly the kind of seeing-sinister-signs-in-everything that tends to annoy me:
Beth Goobie wrote:the U-turn, or 180 degree turn, made by a vehicle or pedestrian. This U-turn is always counterclockwise
...in countries where you drive on the right, it is. In countries where you drive on the left it's clockwise, obviously.
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This interested me, though:
Beth Goobie wrote:For years, quantum physics has posited that we live within a structure of infinite parallel universes, each of which exists at a different set of frequencies. What separates these universes is not space, but frequency--some vibrate quicker than others. It is generally thought that the level of reality we call the 'physical world' is the densest level, the one that vibrates at the slowest rate. Theorists often state that what appears in this level has its counterpart in other levels, changing slightly in each one. Not only do you and I live in a succession of parallel universes, so does your bed, your pet, your acquaintances and your public library, albeit slightly altered in each one.

Is this how anyone here understands quantum physics? Can anyone point me to an accessibly-written article by an actual physicist that bears this out?

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Well put. And for the concentration of mental power.
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Re: The Network of Stolen Consciousness

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:44 am

nathan28 wrote:IIRC Lilly's complaint was that the animal experimentation was unethical--IIRC brain implants or open-skull surgery or something to that extent--and he made significant efforts to treat dolphins in a much more respectable manner. Much of his experimentation was reported as being with LSD, but he admitted that he was using ketamine rather than LSD because at the time LSD was getting funding and interest. And by my reading almost all of what he writes about is pretty clearly derived from his own subjective account--i.e., he was the primary experimental subject. It does seem like he injected dolphins, though he earnestly also seemed to believe he was in communication with them in some profound way.

Unlike Leary, Lilly never pursued a prophet/culture hero role, and unlike SRI he largely didn't seem anywhere near as ambitious. I am, though, generally uncommitted to defending him but I have some distaste for anything that smacks of moral panic in this regard. So if there's discrete evidence to show that he was up to no good, I'll welcome it. Aside from the obvious, being part of the US war machine. I'm not aware of him being a rat the way Leary was w/r/t character issues like informing whenever it was to his advantage.


IIRC (and its a big if) Lilly whinges extensively about his exploitation by the MIC in his autobiography, tho its been years since I have read it, over a decade.

He mentioned every thing he worked on in collaboration with the US establishment and how it was manipulated, and used for nefarious purposes, and how he was always trying to move on and get away from the US military and its perverse use of science. I think it inspired him to move out of the US for a while, its been a while since I read it but he does draw attention to the way his research is used and how he isn't real happy about it.
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Re: The Network of Stolen Consciousness

Postby Free » Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:32 am

From the interview:

My situation, unfortunately, was not unique. In fact, in the 1970s the programmed sex-slave industry was already so well-established that I remember being used to courier boxes of slave-programming manuals. In the 1980s, when I met a man for a programmed sex assignment in a hotel, there was often a brochure on the night table that explained how to access certain of my programs through specific body-pressure points and verbal phrases. Most of these programs were generic—any trained slave would respond to the same triggers. One program involved rapidly vibrating my throat cartilage while deep-throating a man’s erection, by sending surges of energy upward from my spine and shoulders into my neck.

It is important to point out here that none of these slaves were ever paid for their efforts. They were expected to function for hours in the middle of the night, sexually servicing a city’s elite in their homes, hotels and private clubs, then repress the memories and head off to their day jobs as school teachers, physiotherapists and dental assistants, etc. While their existence has never, to my knowledge, been acknowledged by the mainstream media, in the early 1980s the programmed female sex slave was so common that I remember randomly flagging down a Winnipeg taxi to get to a “job” and giving the driver an alpha-numerical code. He then charged my cab fare to a special account. I didn’t have to explain this code to him; he knew it well.



Couriering slave-programming manuals? Brochures on hotel night stands? Servicing the city’s “elite” in their homes, hotels and private clubs??? Alpha-numeric codes that were common knowledge to Winnipeg taxi drivers?

Okay… I’m sorry, but I don’t find this credible. All this printed evidence, all these witnesses, none of whom speaks up…. Winnipeg taxi drivers no less…

I’m seeing a disinfo pattern here. This reminds me of Brice Tayor’s account of being a sex slave in her book “Thanks for the Memories.”

I also had sex programming, and was used in that capacity, mainly when I was 18-19 and a little bit during my 20’s. When I was 18, they had me assigned to a sex/blackmail operation; a fancy apartment was rigged up to record what was going on. We were also encouraged (trained) in “pillow talk” i.e. getting the targets to talk about whatever the perps running the operation wanted to know.

Other sex-related stuff were parties where some of us were brought to have sex with party-goers, either for blackmail-related purposes or to entice and compromise community members and lead them down a road to blackmail and corruption.

And of course sex can be used to gain access to someone for an assassination.


I’m convinced that the main use for sex-programmed victims was for the blackmail operations that have proliferated world-wide, operations that have facilitated the corruption of government, industry… even the more traditional forms of organized crime (in that case I’m not sure you’d call it corruption….let’s say ‘monitoring and controlling’).

Wild accounts like Goobie’s and Taylor's, of servicing vast arrays of celebrities or “elite” just don’t ring true to me.

Come to think of it though, if you wanted to distract people from the (much more credible) blackmail angle, one way would be to throw salacious smoke in their eyes with tales of sex-obsessed elite and celebrities… and at the same time, these triggering, over-the-top tales would discredit and confuse other victims…

From the interview:

It is important to point out here that none of these slaves were ever paid for their efforts. They were expected to function for hours in the middle of the night, sexually servicing a city’s elite in their homes, hotels and private clubs, then repress the memories and head off to their day jobs as school teachers, physiotherapists and dental assistants, etc.

Well, here is another possible distortion. And a self-serving one at that. The idea that victims were programmed to be sex-slaves (or other cult-jobs) and then had perfectly normal “day-jobs” is misleading, I believe.

Although, this double-life scenario is not rare by any means…if I were to look at a programmed persons life, (while they were being accessed and used), in search of what they were doing for the “network,” first, I would look at their “day job.” Are you a doctor or nurse? Hmmm, how might those medical skills be useful in programming other victims? Are you a CEO or CFO? What is your company doing in the world? Are you a journalist or book writer? Then what, pray tell, are you writing?

from the interview:

So there were obvious signs leaking through to my front alter that something was amiss. In hindsight, I would say that though I was heavily programmed, there was also an intense resistance to that programming or I would not have survived that period. This internal resistance was my only support system - no one else has ever “helped” me. Not that I didn’t seek help. Several therapists that I hired turned out to be cult-affiliated.



To close, I’d like to say to Beth Goobie, if you ever, by chance, read this. Please… seek and get help from safe, ethical and qualified, non-cult therapists and de-programmers. You and your creative gifts are precious, too precious to allow them to be used to confuse and discredit other survivors and the public about the nature of this abuse and the criminal network that perpetrates it.

Even if you have succeeded in cutting ties with perps from your past- until you dismantle the internal structures used to program you, it is possible that you can be accessed and directed by those internal programmed structures and their alters.

No matter how intelligent or talented we may be, we can’t do this alone. Please, for yourself and for others, seek help and don’t stop till you find a good, clean support system.

And I pray that you find relief from your torment and that someday, you will taste true love, healing and freedom.
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Re: The Network of Stolen Consciousness

Postby LilyPatToo » Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:19 pm

Overall, the thing about the interviews above that worries me the most is how utterly fundamentalist she comes across--there's no immediately obvious *questioning* of any of it, even though she's highly intelligent and fully aware that she's been programmed since childhood. That's right where my alarm bells go off and where I wonder whether her extremely complex and detailed system may be a substitute for the programming she's trying to reject...one rigid control system substituted for another.

Many New Agers do the identical verbal technique that Scientologists and fundie Xtians/Muslims, etc. practice daily--that sudden submergence in cult-specific babble that I suspect produces a reliable, brief chemical bliss state in their brains. Some chant, some just get that glazed-eyed, almost orgasmic look on their faces as they compulsively recite intricate doctrine. But what they're doing is very similar to a chronic pain patient with an IV morphine delivery button clutched in their hand.

If you look at some of the better-known program survivors (especially Sue Ford), you'll see the fundie Xtian version very plainly. My guess is that a terribly abused woman unconsciously substituted one rigid authoritarian system for another, rather than actually achieving mental freedom. But to her I'm pretty sure it feels like freedom, compared to what she grew up with and she has my deepest compassion.

Perhaps this reaction is related to Beth Goobie's adoption of an immensely detailed and complex occult/New Age belief system. Except that in her case, it's based upon a reflexive, unconscious identification with the mythology of her abusers. I've lost friendships with survivors over this exact issue, so it's one to which I've given a lot of thought. And I used to do it myself, from about age 20 to 57 when I finally woke up from my long New Age dream. The spiritual babble I spouted almost certainly contained disinformation, but I wasn't knowingly disseminating it at all. That's why I won't accuse Beth Goobie of wittingly doing disinfo work. Many program survivors are programmed to be Useful Idiots and some honeypot ops are designed to entrap and reprogram them before re-release...it's not cut and dried by any means.

I don't know of any way to discern the truth or falsity of her beliefs, but, like Ford, there doesn't seem to be a lot of internal questioning going on. And that's the greatest danger of True Belief: all sorts of deliberate lies--including disinformation designed to obscure the reality of the mind control programs--can be disseminated by people trying to be as honest as they can. What they say will have that earnest ring of truth because they believe themselves to be speaking the truth. Again, see Kathleen Sullivan for an example of the opposite--the survivor who diligently questions their memories.

LilyPat

PS In a waking vision I had back in my 20's, I saw a vast grid that underlaid our reality. And I know a guy, a scientist, who had a very similar one. But neither of us attach any occult baggage to it and we continue to question its meaning and source. Interestingly, he's a survivor of severe childhood abuse too...
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Re: The Network of Stolen Consciousness

Postby Sounder » Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:33 pm

LilyPatToo wrote…
PS In a waking vision I had back in my 20's, I saw a vast grid that underlaid our reality. And I know a guy, a scientist, who had a very similar one. But neither of us attach any occult baggage to it and we continue to question its meaning and source. Interestingly, he's a survivor of severe childhood abuse too...


Great thread people, and thanks for doing all that discriminating for us. My interest in Beth’s story was also about the ‘grids’. Experiencing them seems to be a possible byproduct of dissociation of the self from the body. I experienced this thing also, but without trauma or drugs. Rather it happened after repeating a ‘prayer’ for several years that said; ‘Dear Lord, please let me see reality as it is, independent of my preconceptions as to the nature of that reality. The experience was way over my head so I left it be for many years. Now thirty years later I express the ‘knowing’ of the experience through a resonance model of reality. It is expressed somewhat in the words of my sig line. The prayer project was undertaken as an effort to challenge the naive realism that I was afraid might rule my life unless I could have a direct experience of something different. Boy, did I ever find something different.

There may be occult baggage attached, but if it’s not hidden it’s not occult, right?
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Re: The Network of Stolen Consciousness

Postby DeltaDawn » Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:50 am

Tolerance and Understanding here Please, knowing that my opinions/insight mean nothing...but Sounder you seem interested and just thought I'd give my opinion/views of the 'grids'.

In my mind I see a house, kind of like a doll house, in each room, which yes, has a color scheme, there are compartments/grids in different 'heights', more importantly the "hallways" that go to this room are very short in 'grids' going to each particular room. Usually in the back & front of each room are the taller 'grids', almost like blocks piled on one another. Each room represents another "strength" and the 'hallways' in between are the scariest to me.

Hell no, this makes no sense, whiskey is probably the only reason I'm discussing this on a public board....But if you 'get it', this might make sense and help in some "Lost" kind of way. Nevertheless, surely there is something to this, how can Beth, others and myself instinctfully???? know there is a 'grid' in our minds that houses something very important???

Now, with all this triggering and trying to relate it all, must tell another 'important part' of me, I realized tonight. Don't think it was just here but also T.V. program "Lost" and commercials of Johnny Depp's new movie....But I truly think/believe that the little girl/core is in the Looking Glass and she's the 'one' I cannot find....Oh My God, the looking glass scares the hell out of me!!!!

"""""shudders""""" & retreats for a rest!!!!

On Edit: There is something to a 'gatekeeper' which Dawn is, she beats down the grids of the child/core...think she cannot tolerate what that alter has to offer...my hold back in recovery/healing...and maybe for the best right now????? It's all good, I'm pleased with my path to freedom right now, a mind can only handle so much at one time!!!
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Re: The Network of Stolen Consciousness

Postby Project Willow » Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:22 am

nathan28 wrote:There really is a larger point going on with that astral plane stuff. I won't pretend to know what it is but it's important. I'll suggest, maybe and with no commitment to the idea, that much of what comes out of the RA horror stories--i.e., the ones that can't be believed or have been disparaged and debunked on all sides--is basically true on the astral plane. Like Jeff's work is fantastic in the way it draws connections of those sorts but you're up the creek if you start thinking it's evidence.


Glad you're not committed to the idea, because I would advise not getting committed to any idea that has no real evidence, testimony, or experience to back it up. If you're using the "astral plane" as a metaphor for collective experience, well then, ok.

nathan28 wrote:I mean, just pulling some stories from the BBC makes it a QED that there's a loose network of child trafficking with at least some protection by and from law enforcement and the judiciary world wide. Anything beyond that is frankly window dressing. With something so fucking evil, frankly, satanic UFOs are just window-dressing. Yes, Michael Aquino is a creep, and it's fucking suspect that not only can kids who claim to have been abused describe the interior of his house accurately, it's fucking weird that he fucking thinks he's in communication (scholars of ancient Egyptian might note the joke is on him) with a discarnate entity that in fact turns out to be none other than the actual, bona fide Egyptian god Set, and yeah, it's fucking weird that some of the SRI head honchos hung out with Brooke Astor and claimed to talk to the same dude. And yes, there are some general isolated data points that suggest that it's possible that exploitative elites have their own millenia-spanning secret cult. But guess what? Did you read the part about "exploitative" and about child sex slaves? You did because I bolded it. You step in shit and it doesn't matter what fucking color it is--it's still shit.


I have had a number of disagreements like this on the board before. There is no need to compliment perps with inter-dimensional accessing ability if there is no real evidence for it, and it may be detrimental to dissent of you do so. I do not know what an astral plane is, even though I know that whatever facility was being tested during RV experiments, it was not only measured but named. Goobie conflates this with dissociation, which is understandable, given she more than likely had to access an alter or alter team in order to try to reach what she might inordinately term an astral plane, but which is in reality, a measured human or animal hyper-sensitive ability to tap into measurable waves (possibly within the known radio spectrum even, I'm not at liberty to say.) All of which is to make the point that, be careful what you suppose or surmise, it may very well be wrong and work against you.

I'll make another small note here. Civilian science with its FMRI studies of DID and related "disorders" is beginning to approach what military science was working with over 4 generations ago. They are discovering finally that experiences labeled dissociation do not exist upon a scale of quantitative difference, but may be entirely different experiences altogether. To wit, to tap into the stream of time is qualitatively different from accessing the alter who taps into the stream of time.


nathan28 wrote:FWIW I have spent a significant amount of time in sensory deprivation before, as well as "enhanced" sensory deprivation. It's difficult for me to imagine that it could be used in a mind control/weaponized modality, though I will admit that it gets really weird really quick and that it can leave you bewildered. Taken in isolation it's not damaging, though since nothing happens in an isolated context, I can imagine that it'd be all to easy to put someone into an awful mental set, be it with horror movies or actual abuse, and then put them in an isolation tank to rot.


Then you don't have much of an imagination about these things, and that is good. So, I'll give you a hint. Put a subject in a depro environment, the body goes into hyper awareness. If you wish to torture, overstimulate the body, unexpectedly, and exremely. That is shit, and what I meant by co-opted.
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Re: The Network of Stolen Consciousness

Postby Trifecta » Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:12 am

I am learning more in this conversation than the last five years of intermittent study. Thanks to all :idea:
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Re: The Network of Stolen Consciousness

Postby LilyPatToo » Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:00 pm

PW, that was a flat-out amazing post :shock: It may take me a while to wrap my mind around some of the things you said, due to how hard they hit, in fact. In the meantime, this is one bit that bears repeating:
There is no need to compliment perps with inter-dimensional accessing ability if there is no real evidence for it, and it may be detrimental to dissent of you do so. I do not know what an astral plane is, even though I know that whatever facility was being tested during RV experiments, it was not only measured but named.


And another:
I'll make another small note here. Civilian science with its FMRI studies of DID and related "disorders" is beginning to approach what military science was working with over 4 generations ago. They are discovering finally that experiences labeled dissociation do not exist upon a scale of quantitative difference, but may be entirely different experiences altogether. To wit, to tap into the stream of time is qualitatively different from accessing the alter who taps into the stream of time.


At the exact moment when I used to "time-slip" I felt everything change around me--the air seemed to congeal and I moved in slow motion through it. Sounds carried differently, too. And until a handler commanded me to do it one night in a restaurant, I had no idea it was possible to produce a "slip" on demand. But it always felt as if I'd come unmoored from the present moment and when I found out about dissociation, I assumed that the man had simply put me into a psychic trance. Now I'm wondering if perhaps he indeed induced a trance, but for the purpose of getting control of an alter who had--has?--that ability all the time.

I've noticed that a possible Delta alter I have also experiences reality very differently from the way that I do. For her, it's very cold and time moves very slowly. For years now I've been asking people with more physics education than I have if those subjective perceptions of changes in my environment as anomalous experiences were occurring could be clues to understanding the nature of Reality itself. The people who messed with me weren't New Age bliss ninnies or dilettantes--they were scientists and military people who had a very serious interest in (I suspect) weaponizing or somehow exploiting abilities I had.

It also occurred to me last night that another survivor, someone I knew personally, who was *completely obsessed* with the all-powerful Cult probably got many of her beliefs from "Cisco Wheeler" and Fritz Springmeier, who "deprogrammed" her. So this AM I did searches with Goobie's name and Springmeier's, but came up empty. Has anyone here recall Goobie mentioning having encountered that pair? And then there's Svali...

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