The 'Obama was (possibly) groomed by the CIA' thread

[JackRiddler]

Another weird thing that came out in the campaign was Obama's relationship in Hawaii with a mentor named Frank Marshall Davis, a black journalist-poet friend of his grandfather, Stanley Dunham, described warmly in Obama's first book as "Frank," who apparently admitted to writing a 1968 porn novel, allegedly about BO, under a pseudonym:

1968 novel? When Obama was seven? Who alleges this?

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[lupercal]

That Obama would have been only seven when the book appeared does add a weird wrinkle, and the Enquirer article describes the relationship in rather dubious terms: "For seven years, the presidential candidate had a 'father-son' relationship with Frank Marshall Davis, who has confessed to having sex with children, sadomasochism, bondage and practicing a wide array of deviant sexual activities."

But it also says that "Barack, called 'Barry' as a child, was a mere ten year old when he first met the family friend who led a secret double life," which would either mean that the book was written before Davis had ever met Obama, or that he'd met Obama earlier and Obama didn't know it.

Anyway, I accidentally posted the wrong link earlier, so here's the correct one to the article which you can read yourself:

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/65575

[Jeff]

who apparently admitted to writing a 1968 porn novel, allegedly about BO

Where do you see that alleged?

Seems very hard to find a copy of this novel. More info on its content here.

[lupercal]

I don't know what it's about Jeff as I haven't read it. Somebody at the link you posted, which is interesting, thanks, thinks it's a knock-off of Lolita, which it may be, though I read Lolita and didn't find it especially worthy of literary immortality. I've also come across suggestions that Nabokov was employed by clandestine agencies, and no I'm not claiming it's a fact.

Anyway, Davis sounds like a perfectly nice man, and if he really was a free-thinking communist poet older friend I see that as a point in Obama's favor. So maybe the fact that he also wrote porn novels and mentored Obama at his house while he was between the ages of 10 and 17 is just a coincidence, ditto the admiration for military bases Obama professes in "Audacity of Hope," and even more disturbing the "pride" and "trust" he claims to have felt in that arch-dissimulator Ronald Reagan. Obama:

"I couldn't be persuaded that U.S. multinationals and international terms of trade were single-handedly responsible for poverty around the world; nobody forced corrupt leaders in third World countries to steal from their people. I might have arguments with the size of Reagan's military buildup, but. . . . Pride in our country, respect for our armed services, a healthy appreciation for the dangers beyond our borders . . . in all this I had no quarrel with Reagan. And when the Berlin Wall came tumbling down, I had to give the old man his due. . . ." (Audacity, p. 289)

So speaking purely personally, no, I don't believe it's a coincidence that the guy who wrote "Sex Rebel: Black" happened to be the "mentor" of the Reagan-like automaton now being promoted in a Barnes and Nobles near you by a book with the ridiculous title "Obama: Renegade" featuring a photo of Barack in a sexy Malcolm pose, wearing a tie of course and smiling. IMHO and in my view, he's a fraud of the first order and mind controlled to boot, and as a resident of the US it's frightening.

[lupercal]

p.s. here we go:



http://www.tower.com/renegade-making-pr ... /113106128

[barracuda]

I read Lolita and didn't find it especially worthy of literary immortality.

Rather vehemently respectfully disconcur.

[Jeff]

So speaking purely personally, no, I don't believe it's a coincidence

Well, IMHO, if the CIA entrusted the programming of a Manchurian President to the author of a book subtitled "Memoirs of a Gash Gourmet" then I'm practically bursting with pride they advertise on RI radio.

But seriously. I think a decent case can be made for Obama's grooming. The Davis controversy strikes me as right-wing noise signifying nothing.

[sunny]

I read Lolita and didn't find it especially worthy of literary immortality.

Rather vehemently respectfully disconcur.

I am rather vehemently discombobulated.

But seriously. I think a decent case can be made for Obama's grooming. The Davis controversy strikes me as right-wing noise signifying nothing.

Totally.

[JackRiddler]

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Hey, Lupercal, sorry if it's off-topic, but do you agree that I am the King of the Limited Hangout?

http://progressiveindependent.com/dc/dc ... c_id=11634

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[Code Unknown]

Groomed, quite possibly. But by whom? Obama certainly fits the profile of other groomed past presidents. There have largely been two kinds of presidents since 1900: The dynasts and the orphans. The dynasts include the Roosevelts, Taft, the Kennedies, and the Bushes. The orphans include Hoover (significantly, see below), Ford, Clinton, and Obama. The rest were selected because they had no hope of forming rival dynasties (Wilson had three daughters for example, Harding had no children). With the exception of Carter as the last throes of the Republic, and the shot-into-submission Reagan, every president since 1973 has been either a dynast or a groomed orphan. I hope I have time to finish writing about that some time soon.

Interesting paradigm, Dr; I for one would be very interested in hearing more of your ideas/evidence about it.

However...

Obama was clearly supported by the Kennedy clan and eventually accepted by the Bush clan, after intervention by the Ancestral Roosevelt Hegemon who heads the rules and bylaws committee of the DNC. So who groomed him? If it was the CIA, wouldn't he have shown up as a Bush candidate?

Uh, I hope I'm misreading this, but are you assuming/trying to imply the CIA only backs Republicans?

[Sweejak]

Tony Alamo?
This is probably taking things off topic, but I've been reading Bobby Jameson's blog of trials and tribulations regarding the LA music business in the 60's and 70's. Tony Alamo is certifiable jerk, scammer and rip off artist according to the read I get from Jameson.

TONY ALAMO A THIEF IN WHITE
STOLE THE MOON FROM THE NIGHT
HE'S THE MAN WHO PLAYS THE BOSS
STOLE THE NAILS FROM CHRIST'S OWN CROSS

DEAL A MEAL AND DOUBLE DEALING
CALL IT WHAT IT IS IT'S STEALING
MAJOR LABELS PIGS ARE OINKING
SPREAD YOUR CHEEKS AND TAKE A BOINKING

http://bobbyjameson.blogspot.com/

[lupercal]

I read Lolita and didn't find it especially worthy of literary immortality.

Rather vehemently respectfully disconcur.

My recollection is that it's very sharp and funny, and stylistically polished, but basically it's a defense of US consumerism including sexual predation, and not because Delores is so young, but because he basically consumes her. Like I say it was awhile ago, and I was very taken with it at first, but it never struck me as having anything particularly worthwhile to say.

[DrVolin]

are you assuming/trying to imply the CIA only backs Republicans?

Not at all For example, the Clintons are Bush candidates/clients, and Bill at least is heavily CIA connected. It isn't a Democrat/Republican thing, this is a Bush/Kennedy thing, with the ghost of a small r republican opposition. Sort of like Cicero.

[barracuda]

Lupercal, I realize that there exists a world of wonderful books to read, and this is surely not the appropriate venue for a discussion of the merits of Lolita, but mindful of the former and in lieu of the latter I will pass on two quotes of Nabokov's just in case your lack of appreciation or interest in the book is leavened with expectations for the work beyond the author's intention, or literature's possibilities.

"Let us not kid ourselves; let us remember that literature is of no practical value whatsoever, except in the very special case of somebody's wishing to become, of all things, a professor of literature."

"Although we read with our minds, the seat of artistic delight is between the shoulder blades. That little shiver behind is quite certainly the highest form of emotion that humanity has attained when evolving pure art and pure science. Let us worship the spine and its tingle. Let us be proud of our being vertebrates, for we are vertebrates tipped at the head with a divine flame. The brain only continues the spine: the wick really goes through the whole length of the candle. If we are not capable of enjoying that shiver, if we cannot enjoy literature, then let us give up the whole thing and concentrate on our comics, our videos, our books-of-the-week."

[bks]

Posts don't come much better than that one, barracuda