Obama Admits Ineligible For President?

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Re: Obama Admits Ineligible For President?

Postby eyeno » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:37 pm

This is the sort of hypothetical concocted circus I see potential for. Not complicated and very possible.


Problem: Obama an ineligible Muslim was elected President.

Reaction: Outraged public demanding action so that this outrage can never happen again.

Solution: Politicians are only too willing to oblige. Legislation that was written long ago is quickly enacted to appease the outraged masses. An amendment to the Constitution becomes the remedy.


I"m not sure why anybody that reads this board would find the scenario unlikely.
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Re: Obama Admits Ineligible For President?

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Re: Obama Admits Ineligible For President?

Postby beeblebrox » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:57 pm

Elihu wrote:
but what I can't stand even more is sympathy being engendered on his behalf by those who concoct outrageously ridiculous distractions about him.
i think that's exactly what i'm trying to say. the looooonier the attacks, the better. in the target audience, it narrows the scope of political alternatives they are willing to consider. when the point stays on the outrageously ridiculous distractions, barry and co stay in power. mission accomplished. and worse still, the divided plebiscite polices itself in the constriction of political alternatives. suspicion abounds.


Agreed, after eight years of GWB a great deal of anger and resentment was built up in a large segment of the population, from the center all the way to the extreme left. Obama's presidencey has pacified many of these people, while at the same time steering the country along pretty much the exact same trajectory as the Bush administration. I am embarassed to admit that I voted for Obama in 2008, at the time I didn't care if he was a Muslim, born in Kenya, or the son of Malcom X (that's got to be my favorite one :mrgreen: ) so long as he really was going try to change things for the better. Nothing has changed, and that was probably the last time I will participate in any election involving the current system.
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Re: Obama Admits Ineligible For President?

Postby NeonLX » Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:09 pm

I agree with beeblebrox (and I'll bet I'm older than he).

I've grown exceedingly weary of being had, over and over again.
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Re: Obama Admits Ineligible For President?

Postby Hunter » Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:15 pm

Simulist wrote:
Alchemy wrote:Obama is not the first US president to have one or both parents born outside of the US. Can anyone name the other 6?

Jefferson, Jackson, Buchanan, Arthur, Wilson, and Hoover?



Yeap, each of them had one parent born outside of the US except Jackson, both of his parents were born in Ireland.
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Re: Obama Admits Ineligible For President?

Postby beeblebrox » Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:36 pm

NeonLX wrote:I agree with beeblebrox (and I'll bet I'm older than he).

I've grown exceedingly weary of being had, over and over again.


Good probability. 8)
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Re: Obama Admits Ineligible For President?

Postby eyeno » Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:47 pm

eyeno wrote:This is the sort of hypothetical concocted circus I see potential for. Not complicated and very possible.


Problem: Obama an ineligible Muslim was elected President.

Reaction: Outraged public demanding action so that this outrage can never happen again.

Solution: Politicians are only too willing to oblige. Legislation that was written long ago is quickly enacted to appease the outraged masses. An amendment to the Constitution becomes the remedy.


I"m not sure why anybody that reads this board would find the scenario unlikely.



^^^This was the crux of the reason I posted the op. I gave RI readers credit knowing the problem, reaction, solution model so I didn't see much need in spelling it out. For some reason the above idea drew heat from about three readers and i'm sort of puzzled as to why, or maybe not, I have not decided.

And actually I had some observations from Arizona concerning Sherriff Joe and the heated immigration debate happening in Arizona I wanted to post. It seems possible that Arizona has been pretty much co-opted and drug into a bigger web of plays happening right now.

I don't know if I will still post the additional observations about Arizona because i've sort of lost enthusiasm for it for the day.
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Re: Obama Admits Ineligible For President?

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:21 pm

beeblebrox wrote:Obama's presidencey has pacified many of these people, while at the same time steering the country along pretty much the exact same trajectory as the Bush administration. I am embarassed to admit that I voted for Obama in 2008, at the time I didn't care if he was a Muslim, born in Kenya, or the son of Malcom X (that's got to be my favorite one :mrgreen: ) so long as he really was going try to change things for the better. Nothing has changed, and that was probably the last time I will participate in any election involving the current system.


I am not embarrassed to have voted for Obama in 2008, although I was so confident that he would proceed along the exact same trajectory as the Bush administration in matters of empire, capitalism and the expansion of panoptic state power that I would have been willing to bet your million dollars against my life to that effect (not having a million dollars, and without worry for my life). It was already obvious what would happen from the choice of Biden and from Obama's stance on the financial crash and support for the retroactive immunity telecom bill, not to mention the carefully parsed rhetoric. Aside from his campaign support for real health care reform, Obama didn't break his carefully-phrased major promises, he only dropped the electric image of change and told his movement to go the fuck home and let Rahm and Timmy and Larry and presumably Zbig and Henry run the show.

I also knew what would happen from having seen it all already with Clinton, with regard to whom everyone seems to have forgotten that he campaigned on two words: Hope and Change. (The total of Obama's innovation was to make that into Change and Hope, plus more Internet and less Fleetwood Mac, more Urban Cool and less Bubba.) Thanks to that, I even realized that there would be a 1994-style election again in 2010, as a result of people seeing how lame the new guy was and so surrendering back to reaction.

Nevertheless, a McCain victory would have represented a popular endorsement of the Bush program, or at least taken as such, and opened the way to a new round of revolutionary changes along the lines of 2001-2005. More importantly, the majority of people would actually believe it to be so, and movements like Occupy would have been not just subject to crackdown but a full round-up. When people believe the majority wants change and are frustrated about it, they get angry. When they believe the majority supports the more open fascism of the Republicans, they get discouraged. (All things being relative.) I also guarantee you there would have been no debate today about bombing Iran, because it would have been bombed starting in 2009. Also, we would not be coopting and undermining the Arab Spring, we'd be putting it under full-frontal assault. We would not be standing apart from all of the countries of Latin America, but investing far more heavily in the attempt to carry out old-style CIA coups against all of the leftist governments. And you would have Genghis Khan and Lord Voldermard as justices, instead of Polly Dee and Polly Dum.

Relatively speaking, I believe the historical record shows the conditions for real movements of resistance in this country improve under Democratic and sour under Republican administrations, although this has nothing to do with what either kind of administration actually wants. It's what the people think that matters, since their attitudes are actually a lot more democratic than the power elites, and if they think a majority supports this shit, they go along. Also, the winning party nationally usually drags in its own in the Congress, the state and local levels, and there is a level of Democratic majorities where changes become possible, since 90 percent of any progressive politicians that do exist are stuck with the Democrats, given that the two-party duopoly is practically pre-determined not just by the money, but by the Constitution with its winner-take-all system.

All that being said, I'm for a constitutional convention to end the power of the dead landowners of 1787 over the living people of today, and from their Constitution to keep only and strengthen the Bill of Rights, and institute a system of parliamentary democracy with proportional representation. Unfortunately, that will also be a disaster - the convention, I mean, since the part where it institutes a better system is not going to happen, either. They'd probably start with working The One God and The Holy Flag into the preamble, since for some reason the slaveholding enlightened intellectuals of 1787 failed on that score, and then replace the Senate with a College of Corporations.

No prevailing social system falls until all of its possibilities have been exhausted, Uncle Karl once said, and so things are very likely to get worse before they get better, and Americans will have to learn their lessons by going through the end of empire, the next few collapses of capitalism, and probably eco-collapse and the full rage of open corporate dictatorship before they choose something new. I don't want that, and I'm not advocating the Leninist line that things will automatically get better only if they get infinitely worse; only that the worst is probably unavoidable no matter what we want. It's the likeliest scenario as seen by the realist in me, whom I often resist.
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Re: Obama Admits Ineligible For President?

Postby Simulist » Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:01 pm

beeblebrox wrote:Obama's presidencey has pacified many of these people, while at the same time steering the country along pretty much the exact same trajectory as the Bush administration. I am embarassed to admit that I voted for Obama in 2008, at the time I didn't care if he was a Muslim, born in Kenya, or the son of Malcom X (that's got to be my favorite one :mrgreen: ) so long as he really was going try to change things for the better. Nothing has changed, and that was probably the last time I will participate in any election involving the current system.

Understood, and I agree.

I voted for Obama in 2008 — against my better judgment — because I deluded myself into believing what I knew in both my head and my heart was a lie.

Not only am I ashamed of this, I should be.
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Re: Obama Admits Ineligible For President?

Postby MayDay » Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:23 pm

I also would most likely have fallen for Obama in '08 were it not for this forum (thank you all), although I recall there was a good deal of division even here.

It was a given he'd be another tool of the sociopathocracy by the time Zbiggy announced his endorsement, if not well before (clean coal, anyone)?
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Re: Obama Admits Ineligible For President?

Postby Hunter » Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:25 pm

Simulist wrote:
beeblebrox wrote:Obama's presidencey has pacified many of these people, while at the same time steering the country along pretty much the exact same trajectory as the Bush administration. I am embarassed to admit that I voted for Obama in 2008, at the time I didn't care if he was a Muslim, born in Kenya, or the son of Malcom X (that's got to be my favorite one :mrgreen: ) so long as he really was going try to change things for the better. Nothing has changed, and that was probably the last time I will participate in any election involving the current system.

Understood, and I agree.

I voted for Obama in 2008 — against my better judgment — because I deluded myself into believing what I knew in both my head and my heart was a lie.

Not only am I ashamed of this, I should be.
Well there was no real alternative, I mean someone else who had an actual chance to win, and sure Obama has turned out to be a real big disappointment HOWEVER, I would still rather have him as president than one of those crazy fucking Republicans. He isnt that much better but those guys are creeps. I have no idea who I will vote for this time around, might just sit this one out as protest, as if that would matter anyway, but again I would rather have Barry than Mitt, yea anyday, but that isnt saying much is it?
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Re: Obama Admits Ineligible For President?

Postby Hunter » Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:30 pm

Honestly at this point I would be thrilled to have Clinton for another 8 years and that is a sign of just how fucked up things really are.
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Re: Obama Admits Ineligible For President?

Postby DrEvil » Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:49 pm

It's not like you HAVE to vote either republican or democrat. There are other options.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta ... ates,_2012

Beats sitting at home.
And maybe I'm just dense, but if everybody hates all the politicans so much, why do they keep putting them back in power?
Sure, the election system itself is a complete mess (intentionally, I might add), but if you never challenge the system how can you expect it to change? The more people vote for the outsiders, the more the powers that be will have to do "maintenance" on the election results.
More fiddling with the results equals more chances of being busted.
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Re: Obama Admits Ineligible For President?

Postby Marie Laveau » Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:25 pm

It is amazing to me, after the hell of the Bush administration, that people can still harp on this worthless crap.

I don't care if the guy's from Neptune, which he may well be ;), they are ALL in in together and anyone who thinks they aren't is bat-blind ignorant.
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Re: Obama Admits Ineligible For President?

Postby Simulist » Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:32 pm

Alchemy wrote:
Simulist wrote:
beeblebrox wrote:Obama's presidencey has pacified many of these people, while at the same time steering the country along pretty much the exact same trajectory as the Bush administration. I am embarassed to admit that I voted for Obama in 2008, at the time I didn't care if he was a Muslim, born in Kenya, or the son of Malcom X (that's got to be my favorite one :mrgreen: ) so long as he really was going try to change things for the better. Nothing has changed, and that was probably the last time I will participate in any election involving the current system.

Understood, and I agree.

I voted for Obama in 2008 — against my better judgment — because I deluded myself into believing what I knew in both my head and my heart was a lie.

Not only am I ashamed of this, I should be.
Well there was no real alternative...

I consider the willingness to acknowledge that there IS NO honest choice to be an alternative in itself.

Alchemy wrote:I mean someone else who had an actual chance to win, and sure Obama has turned out to be a real big disappointment HOWEVER, I would still rather have him as president than one of those crazy fucking Republicans.

Yes, they are crazy. And yes, that is how I felt at the time too.

What I find now is that so-called "liberals" don't seem to know who the enemy is — you know, now that "our guy" is doing everything George W. Bush was doing.

Alchemy wrote:He isnt that much better but those guys are creeps.

"Much better"? Hmm. If someone were to suggest that Obama is really any better, I would find that to be more than debatable.

Alchemy wrote:I have no idea who I will vote for this time around, might just sit this one out as protest, as if that would matter anyway, but again I would rather have Barry than Mitt, yea anyday, but that isnt saying much is it?

Nope. You're right: it isn't.
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