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it occured to me as i reflected on this part of my post how horrible it must have sounded to those who have lost someone and i know we have those here. it was callous and hasty. your loved one is worth the whole blankity blanking universe. i apologize.if they assert that the 1% (or even one) is worth it (don't make me laugh, apply your standards to the whole empire),
justdrew wrote:well, you'll be glad to know no one's serious about taking guns away. Why they should be treated differently than cars escapes me though.
Elihu wrote:it's a net-net win-win for everybody. prohibition always makes society alot better.
operator kos wrote:justdrew wrote:well, you'll be glad to know no one's serious about taking guns away. Why they should be treated differently than cars escapes me though.
I WOULD be glad to know that nobody's taking my guns away. As it currently stands, I'm not even allowed to carry a gun, which is, you know, a part of the whole keep AND BEAR arms thing. There are all kinds of pointless restrictions on the type of gun I can own (oh no! a pistol grip will suddenly turn that rifle into a weapon of mass destruction!) and there is serious consideration of restricting or eliminating the legal ability to own semi-automatic rifles.
Cars are much more dangerous than guns in my experience. I've nearly been killed by people in cars several times, and I've only had guns pointed my way a few times (and always by gang members in blue uniforms).
Americans have shot a lot of people with rifles. Almost without exception, the Americans holding those rifles have been soldiers, and the people they shot had the misfortune of being in the way of corporate profits.
Homicide, suicide, and unintentional firearm fatality: comparing the United States with other high-income countries, 2003.
Richardson EG, Hemenway D.
Source
Department of Health Services, UCLA School of Public Health, Los Angeles, California 90095-1772, USA. erin.richardson@gmail.com
Abstract
BACKGROUND:
Violent death is a major public health problem in the United States and throughout the world.
METHODS:
A cross-sectional analysis of the World Health Organization Mortality Database analyzes homicides and suicides (both disaggregated as firearm related and non-firearm related) and unintentional and undetermined firearm deaths from 23 populous high-income Organization for Economic Co-Operation and Development countries that provided data to the World Health Organization for 2003.
RESULTS:
The US homicide rates were 6.9 times higher than rates in the other high-income countries, driven by firearm homicide rates that were 19.5 times higher. For 15-year olds to 24-year olds, firearm homicide rates in the United States were 42.7 times higher than in the other countries. For US males, firearm homicide rates were 22.0 times higher, and for US females, firearm homicide rates were 11.4 times higher. The US firearm suicide rates were 5.8 times higher than in the other countries, though overall suicide rates were 30% lower. The US unintentional firearm deaths were 5.2 times higher than in the other countries. Among these 23 countries, 80% of all firearm deaths occurred in the United States, 86% of women killed by firearms were US women, and 87% of all children aged 0 to 14 killed by firearms were US children.
CONCLUSIONS:
The United States has far higher rates of firearm deaths-firearm homicides, firearm suicides, and unintentional firearm deaths compared with other high-income countries. The US overall suicide rate is not out of line with these countries, but the United States is an outlier in terms of our overall homicide rate.
operator kos wrote:Also, I'd like an explanation of something a number of people in this thread have said in one form or another... you just hate guns and wish they don't exist. Well, fine, but that's not a basis for developing social policy or law. I wish we rode unicorns instead of driving gas-guzzling cars. Your argument needs to start from reality. Even if guns didn't exist, and we forgot they ever existed, they would be invented again tomorrow. So given that, what do we do? Personally, as someone firmly in the libertarian-socialist quadrant of the political-economic spectrum, I believe in the diffusion of power. I'd rather everyone be able to have the power that guns grant than only a tiny political/military elite.
By JUAN A. LOZANO, Associated Press
HOUSTON — A man accused of stabbing more than a dozen people at a Houston-area
college told investigators that he had fantasized about cannibalism and
necrophilia and about cutting off people's faces and wearing them as masks,
according to a court document made public on Thursday.
Dylan Quick also told an investigator that he had researched mass stabbings on
his home computer about a week before the attack at Lone Star College in
Cypress, according to a search warrant affidavit.
"He stated that he had read numerous books about mass killings and serial
killers which are also located at his residence," the affidavit said.
Quick is being held without bond on three counts of aggravated assault with a
deadly weapon for Tuesday's attack that injured 14 people. Only one person
remained hospitalized Thursday, and that person was listed in good condition.
Quick's attorney, Jules Laird, said after a court hearing earlier Thursday that
he was still looking into his client's background. Laird said he didn't think
the 20-year-old had a history of mental illness. But he said Quick was on
suicide watch and will stay in jail as he undergoes a psychological evaluation.
"Not every question has an answer that satisfies you or that says this is the
root cause of why he did this ... with a knife. We are going to see if we can
reach that," Laird said.
The affidavit released later in the day named nine items that were seized from
Quick's home, including one listed as "Hanibal Lecter Mask." Hannibal Lecter is
the cannibalistic serial killer from the 1991 movie "The Silence of the Lambs."
Other items seized included a laptop, an animal dissection kit and several
books, including ones called "Hit List" and "Hitman." The affidavit does not say
what the books are about.
Laird had described Quick as a voracious reader who had thousands of books.
The affidavit said Quick told the investigator that in preparing for the campus
attack, he had sharpened various things, including a hairbrush and pencils, to
use as weapons. However, authorities have said Quick used only a razor utility
knife to slash at his victims on two floors of the college's health science
building. They said a scalpel was found in a backpack he was carrying when he
was arrested.
Authorities have said students tackled Quick and held him down outside the
building until police arrived. Texas does not permit people to carry handguns on
campuses, but lawmakers are considering allowing concealed permit holders to
take their weapons into college buildings and classrooms.
A Texas House panel approved such a bill Thursday, sending it to the full House.
Supporters say it's a self-defense measure that will help prevent campus
shootings and assaults. Opponents argue that allowing guns into campus buildings
increases the chances for violence.
Quick had been set to make his first court appearance Thursday, but Laird waived
the reading of the probable cause statement so his client would not have to be
in court. Quick's next hearing is May 10. If convicted, Quick faces up to 20
years in prison.
"We just didn't want to have a media circus at this point in time," Laird said.
When asked about claims by the Harris County Sheriff's Office that Quick
admitted to having fantasies about stabbing people since he was 8 years old,
Laird said, "They've got a statement from him, but that's not the whole story."
"There are other things that I need to find out about and then we will provide
the whole story to the public so that they can understand what happened," he
said.
Laird said Quick had been home-schooled for most of his life and that he had
been enrolled at Lone Star in part so he could be around other people and "get
some type of feel for what the rest of the world is like as opposed to just
living at home ... and being home-schooled by his mother."
Laird said Quick's parents hadn't had any major problems with their son, though
he did apparently go missing for a few days in January 2011.
Quick's parents had contacted Texas EquuSearch, a private Houston-area group
that searches for missing people, after getting a text message from their son
saying "he was leaving because he might possibly harm himself," said Frank
Black, a case adviser with the organization.
Black said he and others with his group were set to begin a search for Quick
when his parents contacted them three days after the initial report, saying they
had found their son and he was safe.
Quick had apparently been staying on the Lone Star college campus and some
security guards had given him food and a tent to sleep in, Black said.
Laird said Quick's parents are devastated by the accusations made against their
son.
Quick's mother is "the person that knows him more than anybody else in the
world. And so, what she knows of him does not fit with what happened (Tuesday).
She loves him dearly and his dad loves him dearly. And both of them do not
understand what happened," he said.
___
Associated Press writer Jim Vertuno in Austin, Texas contributed to this report.
82_28 wrote:Gun people are all nuts. Like seriously? It's a gun, chiefs and has no use in civilization. I have fucking grown up to the age of 38 not ever HAVING TO FUCKING USE ONE. Even though a shit ton of people have passed on in life. The only argument for guns is that they are necessary. No, no they are not. Fuck guns.
How about: Tasers. Everywhere.
No, they are not totally non-lethal, they are capable of precipitating deaths.
But, on the whole, magnitudes safer than bullet-y guns.
Oh, except, one condition:
All law enforcement and military are limited to tasers, too.
Stun guns, tranquilizer rifles, phasers, etc.
No more bullets, though, ever made.
(Except for maybe, like, one SWAT sniper in each PD, in case a hostage is about to be killed, etc.?)
compared2what? wrote:I'm not anti-gun either. I'm just anti-ridiculously-transparent-diversionary-issue-that-prevents-people-from-protecting-the-rights-they're-actually-in-some-danger-of-losing..
compared2what? wrote:Newsflash: Your rights don't include keeping whatever arms you want and bearing them wherever and whenever your heart desires. Does the gun you do own do whatever it is that you want to have a gun in order to do? If so, excellent. Stop complaining.
compared2what? wrote:It's possible that those pointless restrictions might actually appear to have a point if you tried considering them in the context of everybody to whom they applied rather than that of their inapplicability to you, personally.
compared2what? wrote: Also: Nobody is taking your guns away. The restrictions on semi-automatic rifles that they're talking about were the law for years quite recently. They're toothless and easily side-steppable. And they might not even pass.
compared2what? wrote:I thought your first post was perfectly acceptable snark and undeserving of the pile-on, btw.
compared2what? wrote:But there are plenty of regulations and restrictions on who can keep and bear what kind of car already.
FourthBase wrote:Cross-posting from one thread that turned into a gun control debate to another:How about: Tasers. Everywhere.
No, they are not totally non-lethal, they are capable of precipitating deaths.
But, on the whole, magnitudes safer than bullet-y guns.
Oh, except, one condition:
All law enforcement and military are limited to tasers, too.
Stun guns, tranquilizer rifles, phasers, etc.
No more bullets, though, ever made.
(Except for maybe, like, one SWAT sniper in each PD, in case a hostage is about to be killed, etc.?)
It's the kind of solution nobody likes, i.e., the best kind.
"But non-lethal weapons aren't effective in such-and-such situation!"
"But non-lethal weapons are still capable of killing, and...they're fascist!"
Meanwhile, the number of people dead from gunshots would've plummeted to, oh, "negligible".
So, what's important? What would actually have happened? Arming everyone? Disarming everyone?
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