Berlusconi denies under-age girl reports

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Postby 8bitagent » Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:28 pm

Thanks for that trailer, torrenting now(english subs are on various googleable subtitle sites)

I just saw a new article detailing just how far down the toilet Italy has become culturally, especially the culture and climate of sexuality and the role of women. From what it sounds like, from a young age females are highly sexualized and made to think their only lot and value in life is as a subservient sex object. Italy, compared to say Sweden and a lot of Europe, has a very low women work force and wages comparison to men. It's interesting as here you have a culture that is the absolute extreme opposite of Saudi Arabia, yet despite endless nudity/sexuality/etc everywhere women seem to have the same oppression going on.

It's also very interesting how Berlusconi ties into Ghadhafi, from the Bunga Bunga sex parties to Italy's cozy relationship with Libya(I believe something like 35% of their oil comes from Libya...or, did til a week ago)

Well...I guess the silver lining is at least he likes older girls? If 17 can be considered older. So many of these corrupt elites and leaders from Chile, Portugal, Dubai, Belgium, etc like a much younger clientelle.
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Re: Berlusconi denies under-age girl reports

Postby hava1 » Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:27 am

Agree w 8bit on Italy. cess pool with asthetic cover. Bit like their ancestral ROme. to think that this is the cradle of western culture....:)
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Postby cptmarginal » Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:15 am

So many of these corrupt elites and leaders from Chile, Portugal, Dubai, Belgium, etc like a much younger clientelle.


Not to mention the USA & the UK...

It's almost getting to be time to update your "Mainstream proves whose really behind child kidnapping rings" thread, what with stuff like this going on lately:

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Postby vanlose kid » Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:43 pm

Silvio Berlusconi approves move to sue judges for trial errors
Measure approved by cabinet on day before prime minister is due back in dock is act of revenge, say critics

John Hooper in Rome guardian.co.uk, Thursday 10 March 2011 19.53 GMT

Italian judges and prosecutors who make mistakes could be sued by defendants and made to pay damages under the terms of changes to the courts approved by Silvio Berlusconi's government. The cabinet approved the proposed measure the day before the prime minister was due to go back in the dock, accused of buying favourable testimony.

The draft bill provoked anger from opposition leaders and the judges' main representative body. A statement from the national magistrates' association (ANM) said: "This is a punitive reform whose overall intention is to undermine the autonomy and independence of the judiciary and upset significantly the correct balance between the arms of government."

Government officials said the proposed change would have no effect on trials that had begun by the time it became law. But critics described it as an act of revenge.

Berlusconi has for years protested that he is the victim of a campaign by politically motivated prosecutors. Anna Finocchiaro, the senate leader of Italy's biggest opposition group, the Democratic party (PD), called it an "attempt to put the prosecutors under the control of the government".

By early next month, Berlusconi will be a defendant in three trials, including one in which he is accused of paying an underage Moroccan girl, Karima el-Mahroug, for sex. He denies all wrongdoing.

The daily Il Fatto Quotidiano quoted a Moroccan registrar as saying she had been offered a bribe by two Italian-speakers to set back the girl's date of birth by two years. Berlusconi's lawyers said any such attempt would have been "pointless and risible" since other official documents would show the correct date.

Under Italian law, constitutional reforms must be approved twice by both houses of parliament.

If endorsed by a two-thirds majority in both chambers, they take effect immediately. Otherwise, they have to be submitted to a popular referendum. Berlusconi, who has a scant majority in the lower house, told a press conference: "We shall do everything to discuss these rules with the opposition."

The bill unveiled on Thursday contained only broad outlines. Berlusconi said the details would be elaborated in 10 further bills to be debated by parliament.

The reform bill says judges and prosecutors would become "directly responsible for acts committed in violation of rights in the same way as other state officials and employees". Currently, their responsibility is indirect: former defendants can sue the state, and it is the state that pays compensation if the action is successful.

The proposed reform goes on to mention specifically "the civil responsibility of [judges and prosecutors] for cases of unfair detention or other irregular limitation of personal liberty".

Other provisions of the bill may be harder for the opposition to contest. The proposed reform would create a strict division between judges and prosecutors, who currently form part of the same career structure. Critics have long argued this biases judges in favour of the prosecution.

The prosecution would also lose the right to appeal a not guilty verdict – an important reason for the logjam in Italy's notoriously slow legal system. And parliament would acquire the power to issue guidelines to prosecutors on which cases should be given priority.

Italy is the last country in Europe in which prosecutors are obliged to open a file on any suspected offence brought to their attention.

Supporters of the present system argue it is a guarantee against political interference.

The case which reopens on Friday involves Berlusconi's alleged payment of a $600,000 (£374,000) bribe to his former adviser, the British lawyer David Mills.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ma ... sue-judges


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Re: Berlusconi denies under-age girl reports

Postby Jeff » Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:28 pm

Caught in the act, Silvio Berlusconi's arresting bunga bunga girls

By Nick Pisa
Last updated at 11:38 PM on 22nd March 2011

They are not the type of photographs that usually emerge from gatherings hosted by heads of state.

But these images reveal what goes on behind closed doors at Silvio Berlusconi’s infamous ‘bunga bunga’ parties.

The pictures were discovered on laptops and cameras seized from dozens of female party guests as part of an investigation into claims that the Italian prime minister paid for sex with underage girls.

One picture shows TV showgirl Barbara Guerra, 32, wearing a tight-fitting police uniform and pouting as she dangles a pair of handcuffs.

Guerra has appeared on an Italian reality TV show and is the former girlfriend of Manchester City striker Mario Balotelli.

Another picture shows two unidentified women about to kiss, while further images capture other female party guests in provocative poses.

All were taken in the early hours of the morning at Berlusconi’s home in Arcore, near Milan.

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Postby Nordic » Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:02 pm

How come I never get invited to these things ....?
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Re: Berlusconi denies under-age girl reports

Postby Stephen Morgan » Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:48 pm

This man was in P2, don't forget. The leader of it was only a cloth-magnate, but he got the government of Switzerland to help in his infamous heli-escape. Billionaire paedophile, two things which tend to go together, Silvio isn't going to be kept in prison. No matter what.

Age of consent is 14 in Italy, I see. These women weren't below the age of consent for girls, but for prostitutes. I don't even know where to begin with that. Italy has a deviant legal system, it would seem. Presidential immunity laws, too. Or ministerial or whatever it was. No rule of law.
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Postby JackRiddler » Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:43 pm

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Berlusconi to Resign After New Budget Is Approved

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ROME—Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi has reached an agreement with President Giorgio Napolitano to resign after Parliament approves the government's 2012 budget, the president's office said on Tuesday, clearing the way for Italy's head of state to form a national unity government or call elections.

The move came after Mr. Berlusconi's government failed to muster a majority during a key vote held in Parliament on Tuesday. Mr. Berlusconi's governing coalition garnered 308 votes, seven votes shy of a majority needed in the 630-member lower house of Parliament. That means the parliament approved the routine budget bill that was on the ballot, but only because 321 lawmakers abstained from voting.

"It is clear the government no longer has a majority," said Pier Luigi Bersani, leader of Italy's biggest opposition party, after the vote.

By agreeing to eventually step down, Mr. Berlusconi is likely to become the highest-profile political victim of the euro-zone crisis that has been ravaging the Continent for the past two years. World leaders have been urging the premier to take key steps to reboot Italy's economy, but the government has repeatedly failed to deliver.

Without a majority in Parliament, Mr. Berlusconi was left with limited options. After huddling with advisers in Parliament, he traveled across town to the office of Mr. Napolitano to discuss the future of his government. In a statement issued after the talks, Mr. Napolitano's office said Mr. Berlusconi would step down after the government finishes pushing its annual budget through both houses of Parliament. Passage of the budget was an "urgent necessity," the statement said, because the government has told European leaders it will attach an amendment to the budget containing economic measures to slash red tape and sell state assets.

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Postby JackRiddler » Fri Aug 02, 2013 5:37 pm


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/02/world ... nted=print

The New York Times

August 1, 2013

Italian Court Upholds Berlusconi Sentence, Setting Stage for Crisis

By RACHEL DONADIO


ROME — For years, former Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi deftly navigated the labyrinth of Italian justice, always finding an exit — until Thursday, when Italy’s highest court handed him his first definitive sentence, upholding a prison term for tax fraud and sending Italy’s fragile government on the road to crisis.

The court called for a re-examination of a ban on Mr. Berlusconi’s holding public office, but did not reject the ban. This staved off the imminent collapse of the right-left coalition of Prime Minister Enrico Letta, which was formed to tackle Italy’s dire economy — but probably only bought it more time.

Parts of Mr. Letta’s center-left Democratic Party are reluctant to share power with a now-convicted criminal. Meanwhile, the center-right People of Liberty party looked poised to split between Berlusconi loyalists and those seeking more independence from the former prime minister in a future bloc.

“The barometer signals a very strong storm,” said Giovanni Orsina, professor of contemporary history at LUISS Guido Carli and author of “Understanding Berlusconi.” “I expect a lot of quake tremors in the next few days, but I think that the government will survive.”

The Court of Cassation confirmed Mr. Berlusconi’s four-year prison sentence, which had already been reduced to one year under a law aimed at combating prison overcrowding.

Two lower courts had convicted Mr. Berlusconi and other defendants on charges of buying the rights to broadcast American movies on his Mediaset networks through a series of offshore companies and falsely declaring how much they paid to avoid taxes.

In other cases over the past 20 years, Mr. Berlusconi, a three-time prime minister, has been convicted of tax evasion, buying judges and embezzlement, but was either acquitted on appeal or the statute of limitations had run out. (A trial in which Mr. Berlusconi is accused of paying for sex with a minor is continuing.)

Thursday’s ruling, like everything about Mr. Berlusconi, polarized Italy. Some of the former prime minister’s loyalists called it the equivalent of a judicial coup d’état, while his critics called it tantamount to Al Capone being convicted of tax evasion.

After the ruling, a furious, saddened and uncharacteristically unsmiling Mr. Berlusconi took to the airwaves of Rete4, one of the channels in his Mediaset empire, and declared his innocence, attacking the magistrates who he said had tormented him for 20 years and become an antidemocratic force within Italy.

“The sentence is absolutely groundless and violates my personal liberty and my rights,” Mr. Berlusconi said.

The man who once called himself “the politician most persecuted by prosecutors in the entire history of the world throughout the ages,” added that he would once again create Forza Italia, the party he founded in 1994. He had dissolved that party to form People of Liberty with another right-wing party. “Long live Italy, long live Forza Italia,” he concluded.

Mr. Berlusconi is widely seen as wanting to stay in public office in the hope of wielding the political influence he needs to protect his business interests.

Thursday’s ruling did not automatically send Mr. Berlusconi to prison or house arrest. It is up to the same appeals court in Milan that convicted him to formally request his arrest. Mr. Berlusconi’s lawyers can also request a suspended sentence.

Experts said that considering his age, 76, Mr. Berlusconi would more likely face house arrest or community service than prison.

Opposition politicians immediately called for Mr. Berlusconi to resign from Parliament.

Vito Crimi, a member of Parliament from the Five Star Movement of Beppe Grillo, called it “shameful” that Mr. Berlusconi would stay in public office.

In other circumstances, the ruling might have dealt a final blow to Mr. Berlusconi’s role in politics. But today Mr. Berlusconi, who came back from the dead in national elections in February, is an element of stability in the coalition government.

The government was formed to help put Italy’s economy back on track. Unemployment is 12 percent, rising to 39 percent for young people, and the national debt is close to 130 percent of gross domestic product, the second highest in the euro zone after Greece. But the government has chosen to delay a series of decisions on hot-button issues like taxes.

Even as political analysts said they did not expect the government to fall, if only because of a lack of clear political alternatives, they also said the coalition would not escape unscathed. “It’s very hard that the broad coalition government can go ahead as if nothing happened,” said Stefano Folli, a political columnist for the business newspaper Il Sole 24 Ore.

President Giorgio Napolitano, who would have to decide whether to call new elections if the coalition unraveled, urged calm. “The country needs to rediscover serenity and cohesion on vitally important institutional matters which have for too long seen it divided and unable to enact reforms,” he said in a statement.

Paolo Flores d’Arcais, the editor of the left-wing monthly magazine MicroMega, said that the Democratic Party would “pretend nothing happened,” because its leaders had already chosen to govern with Mr. Berlusconi, even if its base had not.

“For the left it doesn’t mean anything because the left doesn’t exist,” he said. “If Italy were a normal country, it would obviously be a new chapter. But if Italy were a normal country this would never have happened because Berlusconi wasn’t electable.”

Many Italians were unsurprised by the ruling.

“After dozens of trials, it was probable that he must have done something,” said Massimo Dolce, a restaurant owner in Rome.

But Mr. Dolce did not think the government would fall. “When you have a broad coalition, the ruling has less of an impact,” he said. “It won’t be an epochal shift because the conditions for that don’t exist in this country.”

He added, “It’s all very gray in this country.”


Elisabetta Povoledo contributed reporting from Rome, and Gaia Pianigiani from Siena, Italy.

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