Mainstream proves whose really behind child kidnapping rings

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Postby 8bitagent » Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:26 am

blanc wrote:all linked at a quite basic level 8bit agent.
arms trafficking needs money to be moved and bankers can be helpful
no war, no suppression, without arms cirumventing embargoes.


BCCI on an even bigger scale.

Arms and drug trafficking through jihadist channels in Bosnia and Chechnya, Pakistan, Russia, on down through southeast asia the middle east and into Latin America on up through America.

The massive child labor and sex slavery is more fuel for the nwo economic juggernaut, but in a way its also a spiritual food for the elite. Globalization, "Free Trade", sweat shop labor, destruction of water supplies, etc all keeps the already oppressed hopelessly oppressed; funded-on-both-sides civil war and genocide in Africa seals the corporate deal.

And this whole Islamic terror-war-intelligence-child kidnapping-drug-arms smuggling world as always, gets conduited by the nwo's favorite
banking orafice: Dubai, UAE

theeKultleeder wrote:
8bitagent wrote:
theeKultleeder wrote:
8bitagent wrote:Thought I'd give this a bump, for anyone who wonders what the other big nwo agenda is besides 9/11-Islamic terror and war.


Did you ever think for a moment that crazy religions give rise to crazy actions?

Like Islam?


Did you ever think that fundie Abrahamic faiths are a tool of the elite to control the population?


Yeah, but you draw it down to one group of evil-doers...

I say, Arabs CAN do bad things without the commands of white people.


Im talking very specifically of Wahhabist Salafi Islam as used for violent or extremist ends, of whose roots are firmly planted as proxy forces
of the European and Saudi establishment. Who benefits by having a "clash of civilization" pitting Christians, Jews and Hindu's against the Muslim world? And I'm not saying "old whitey" up in Europe is directing it all;
if you look at say Saudi Arabia and China, you have two massive beasts within the new world order structure who in have their way with the Western establishment now and then.

Anyways, I clearly see a continuation of the master and servent, master and proxy relationship of the elite and 11th century Nizari and 12th century Assassins when it comes to modern Islamic jihadism
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Postby Searcher08 » Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:29 am

When I was growing up, there was a Christian Brother who was a teacher at my junior school. He taught my two brothers at various times and was universally adored by all the children. He was great fun. I became pen pals with his younger brother in Dublin. Myself and my younger brothers were invited down to meet his family. We had a fab time, he bought me my first ever album - Ziggy Stardust (yah!) He had saved up and took us to the pantomine and introduced us to the actors and actresses (some of Irelands most well-known) backstage. I loved his parents who were decent working people - his Mammy felt like another mother, his 90 yr old Auntie like a long lost best friend (she took out in the garden and we talked about comets - she described seeing Halley's comet in 1910...)
I went off to England and our family friend went off to another school but for several years still exchanged Christmas cards.

Twenty years later, *this* came to light
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/1113998.stm

A chill went through me.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sat Feb 02, 2008 11:56 pm

Wow that heavy.

I went to Christian Brothers schools all my schooling life, cept for the first 3 years at a school run by nuns.

The nuns were more fucked up.

Once, when we got busted playing kiss chasie, the nuns made all the boys and girls swap our uniforms as punishment. Fucking freaks. We were in grade 1, our second year of school. Thats just ridiculous.

I never had any abuse, (cept corporal ounishment, which I got quite a bit) they loved their leather straps, the Brothers. Most of the time tho I did deserve it, we knew what thr ules were before we broke them. Some were stupid rules, but we knew they were the rules and chose to break them, we knew the consequences if we got caught and actually got a bit of cool notoriety for it. Some had issues with alchohol and that led to some pretty bad violence, but when they were sober, some of those brothers were great. (Of course they were all old shcool too, so violence against kids was a part of society's attitude, spare the rod and all that, it wasn't particular to the brothers, tho times changed as I went through high school, and alot of those guys got weeded out.)

If you ever went into their residential areas, (same with the nuns actually), there was a real creepy vibe tho. Weirdly oppressive. That could have been paranoia tho, most of the time we shouldn't be there - we'd have got flogged if we caught.

I dunno of anyone who was sexually abused. Not saying it didn't happen, tho. And I always wonder when stories like this come out, if one day I'm hear something similar with a familiar name.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:01 am

Anyways, I clearly see a continuation of the master and servent, master and proxy relationship of the elite and 11th century Nizari and 12th century Assassins when it comes to modern Islamic jihadism.


8 bit, can you clarify that.
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Postby 8bitagent » Sun Feb 03, 2008 6:02 am

Joe Hillshoist wrote:
Anyways, I clearly see a continuation of the master and servent, master and proxy relationship of the elite and 11th century Nizari and 12th century Assassins when it comes to modern Islamic jihadism.


8 bit, can you clarify that.


Yes.

Organized radical Islam of the Wahhabist Salafi kind, "jihadists", have been a long time tool of the European elite. The new world order.

http://www.terrorism-illuminati.com/archives/21
http://www.salafipublications.com/sps/d ... 180008.pdf

Once adherence of the Muslims had been unbound from their traditional legal schools, it was possible for the British and their agents to come in with their own. And this is the purpose of the Salafi movement. The Saudis were then formally installed in Arabia in 1932, and have since acted as protectors of the oil interests of the Rockefellers, who are regarded as second-in-command within the Illuminati, after the Rothschilds. Particularly since 1973, when the Oil Crisis was orchestrated to enrich the Saudis, they have used the tremendous wealth at their disposal to advance their deviant interpretations. A notorious exponent of which is Bin Laden.

While the Saudis have been under agreement with the CIA to finance many of its covert activities, including the funding of the Mujahideen in Afghanistan, and the support of Islamic terrorists worldwide, many of the Saudi scholars as well as the government are putting on a public face of rejecting terrorism and bin Laden. They claim that terrorism and anti-government activities are contrary to the true tenets of Salafism.

This is not true. At times the purpose of Salafism is to inculcate terrorism, but in general, the purpose of Salafism is to provide a new Math’hab, to estrange the world’s Muslim population from traditional Islam, and thereby lead them wherever Western interests deem fit.


Be it Hitler using the Muslim Brotherhood in WW2, or the global elite using al Qaeda to blow up Serbs or carry out 9/11...Islamic terrorists are controlled by the same groups controlling America, Europe, the Arab establishment, corporations, etc.

Globalists Created Wahhabi Terrorism
to Destroy Islam and Justify a Global State

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/livingstone.htm

Here is the ultimate exhaustively researched page detailing the full history of modern Islamic jihadists of the 20th and 21st century and their creation and proxy use by the globalists
http://www.redmoonrising.com/Ikhwan/Clash.htm


Following the dictates of Hegelian dialectic, the Globalists have created two antagonizing forces, the "Liberal-Democratic" West, against Terrorism, or "political Islam", to force us into the acceptance of their final alternative, a New World Order.

The West and Islam have had a long era of compatibility, but this history has been denied to foster the myth of a "Clash of Civilizations". In order to inflame the sentiments of the West against Islam, our attention has been focused on the specter of fanatical Wahhabism, and more specifically, its most notorious exponent, Osama bin Laden.

However, as outlined in an excellent article by Peter Goodgame, The Globalists and the Islamists, the Globalists have had a hand in shaping and financing all the terrorist organizations of the twentieth century, including the Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt, Hamas of Palestine and the Afghan Mujahideen. But the history of their duplicity dates farther back still, to the 18th Century, when British Freemasons created the Wahhabi sect of Saudi Arabia itself, to further their imperialistic objectives.

That a British spy by the name of Hempher was responsible for shaping of the extreme tenets of Wahhabism was mentioned in a Turkish work, Mir'at al-Haramain, by Ayyub Sabri Pasha between 1933-1938. British policy in its colonies often involved the creation of deviant sects, in order to Divide and Conquer, as was the case with the Ahmadiyya sect of Islam in India in the nineteenth century.

The details of this conspiracy are outlined in a little known document by the name of The Memoirs of Mr. Hempher published in series (episodes) in the German paper Spiegel, and later in a prominent French paper. A Lebanese doctor translated the document to the Arabic language and from there on it was translated to English and other languages.


More great articles on how Wahhabism is controlled by the occult elite of Europe:
http://rabbitholepodcast.blogspot.com/2 ... bbism.html
http://www.illuminati-news.com/2007/1108a.html
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sun Feb 03, 2008 7:07 am

Good one.

Cheers.
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Re: Mainstream proves whose really behind child kidnapping rings

Postby cptmarginal » Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:01 am

Seems like this thread needs some updates, since it's so excellent in the first place. If anyone has more to add, please do.

Elite paedophile ring convictions (Portugal)
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=29370

Texas daycare groomed kids for sex parties
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=18761

Buckingham Palace butler 'ran paedophile sex ring while working for the Royal Family'
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=20633

Legionairies of Christ founder abused son, said he was CIA
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=28621

Beyond Dutroux ties to 1950s-era CIA covert operation
Plus: the mysterious "Dr. Green" identified
http://www.isgp.eu/miscellaneous/In_bri ... US_CIA.htm

"As a cardinal, Pope Benedict XVI and other Vatican officials did not punish or even hold a trial within the Catholic church for a Wisconsin priest who may have molested as many as 200 deaf boys, according to The New York Times."
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=27606
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Re: Mainstream proves whose really behind child kidnapping rings

Postby cptmarginal » Sat Sep 04, 2010 4:08 pm

The dark side of Swedish society: "mysterious murders in neo-fascist billionaire families as well as state-sanctioned violent sexual abuse, paedophilia and rape [...] Neo-Nazis who collude with Sapo, the Swedish version of MI5 and MI6 combined. In their version of Sweden, racism is rife, violence against women is commonplace, while the trafficking of children for sex is facilitated by highly placed lawyers and doctors."
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=28882

“Loch Ness Monster” – the Scottish paedophile nexus
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=27562
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Re: Mainstream proves whose really behind child kidnapping rings

Postby semper occultus » Sat Sep 04, 2010 5:21 pm

indeed...good work Marge...

Jersey investigation into child abuse
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Re: Mainstream proves whose really behind child kidnapping rings

Postby cptmarginal » Sat Sep 04, 2010 5:31 pm

Pentagon workers tied to child porn
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=28964
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Re: Mainstream proves whose really behind child kidnapping rings

Postby D.R. » Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:47 am

The Finders

Hello all;
I recently came across some interesting information on “The Finders” that I don’t think anyone has picked up yet (The original Finders thread would not take my comments):

The guy who started MasterCard was a “Finder”

In the early ‘90’s I was writing for “The Portland Free Press” with editor Ace Hayes. While writing a series on CIA contract airline Evergreen Aviation I was contacted by conspiracy gadfly Stew Webb (I have my own thoughts on Webb) who conference-called me with a woman named Sivia Tamarkin who had some early information on “The Finders”.
The information stuck with me and I recently wrote a post on my Blog (http://dojorat.blogspot.com/2010/08/did ... ntity.html) regarding “The Finders” and the movie series “The Bourne Identity”.
Most of the information I reviewed has already been posted in this thread, from open-source information, except this piece of the puzzle:

There is a guy named Michael Phillips that was hanging with “The Finders” around the 1970’s.
Phillips appears to be very well connected, and currently runs a website called “Pro Commerce” (http://phillips.blogs.com/goc/2008/01/the-finders.html). As you might figure by the title of his blog he is very capitalist but is certainly a deep thinker. I do not agree with much of his writing, but it is coming from an interesting angle.

According to Wikipedia, Michael Phillips created MasterCard in 1966.

Here is what Michael Phillips wrote about his connection with “The Finders”:

Jan 04, 2008
The FindersI recently spent three months reading a 550 page manuscript about the Finders, a Washington D.C. middle-class commune. It took so long to read because I put it on my Sony Reader and only read it on airplane flights. I also deliberately read every word carefully, it was so beautifully written and so engrossing. The author of the manuscript was a long time member of the group who has an extraordinary ability to remember conversations. When it is published I will let you know I first met the Finders in the mid 1970s when they opened a small branch operation in San Francisco and came to let me know they were available to help me. I was a well known author at the time, was the treasurer and business manager of Glide a magnet institution and was deeply involved in the counter-culture. From then on, I have stayed in touch with the Finders, I've known several of the members very well and followed their history. I also visited them in D.C. on many occasions.
The Finders were a middle-class commune. By that I mean (and they mean) that most of the core group were well educated, some came from prestigious universities and many had held important jobs. The core group was close to their teacher Marion D. Petty, a self educated, retired Army non-commissioned officer.
What fascinated me most about the Finders is that they followed one of Petty's main Daoist teachings: live every moment fresh. That meant that every day they had a group meeting and decided what to do that day. They were serious and often they just plain disappeared for days, weeks months or years. They arrived and they moved on without notice.
I always learned from the Finders. They used their Daoist teachings to learn how the world worked and they learned a great deal. I've written one blog with a story from the Finders.
In future blogs I will recount some of the interesting stories from my encounters with the Finders.
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After I wrote my post on the finders in my silly little Blog, I received a comment from Scott Phillips.
Scott also runs a martial-art-related blog, and I have nothing against him personally. We have sparred verbally, and if Scott has a problem it is that he is a self-proclaimed expert in everything Chinese. He has constantly picked (verbal) fights with readers of my Blog and other forums.
Here is what Scott wrote when he read my post on the Finders:

“Scott said...
Funny!
I stayed with Finders, of course, with my dad Michael Phillips and my sister when I was 10. It was fun. All those hippies in suits. They were a community center in Washington DC with info about every possible counter culture resource. Because they made it widely known that they would help anybody at any time for any reason, it was a fun place to be. People would come in saying they needed a couple of guys to move a sofa, done. Bigger crazier jobs too of course. All the time. When you are that helpful people throw money at you, it was really interesting to see.

I don't know if you remember but devil worship back then was kind of like global warming today. Everyone seemed to believe it was happening and so they pointed a lot of fingers. I know a guy who was arrested for devil worshiping near Fishermans Wharf here in San Francisco, he had to explain to the hearing judge that Yang Style Tai Chi Chuan is an internal martial art from China...good for your health!

P.S. I can neither confirm nor deny any involvement with the CIA.
AUGUST 13, 2010 6:40:00 PM PDT

So, for what it’s worth, Michael Phillips was a “Finder”, he started Master Card, and his Son and Daughter also stayed with the cult.
Here’s more from his Wiki bio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ph ... consultant):

You might know Michael Phillips from any of the following activities:

Finance:
Bank of America, co-founder of the marketing research department. 1964-1968. Founder of the Bank PR and Marketing Research Association.

Bank of California Vice President, including a lawsuit to end
employment discrimination. 1968-71

President of Point Foundation (Whole Earth Catalog funds).
1972-74

Business and Portfolio Manager of Glide Foundation. 1971-81

Creator of Cashets.com, an attempt at online micro-payments system, 2002-2004

Marketing:
Organizer of MasterCard (click for history), Corporate Cash Management and Simplified Checking Charges. 1966-70

Pioneer in international portfolio investment for non-profits.
1971-1978

Organizing:
President of SCOPE, a blue ribbon public education group to improve and integrate the S.F. public schools. Organized the first Educational Fair in 1964 which led to the creation of the Portola Institute and stimulated the Whole Earth Catalog. 1963

Active organizer of the Corporate Social Responsibility movement and was the first foundation social portfolio activist. 1971-1978. Convened the first national conference on Corporate Social Responsibility in 1972.

Organizer and lead plaintiff in the first and most influential class action on behalf of women and minorities. With Robert Gnaizda at Public Advocates as attorney, a settlement was reached in 1972 with five major banks and Savings & Loans. The settlement set affirmative action goals which put banking in the forefront of "equal employment" in the U.S. for the next quarter century.

Funded and helped organize the first national prostitutes union:
Coyote with Margo St. James. 1972

Funded and helped start the leading telephone sex switchboard, SFSI. 1973. Changed the policy of SIECUS (National Sex Education) to encourage an active sexual life.

Co-organizer of the 1st San Francisco International Book Fair, originally called The Friends of Books and Comics. 1973.

Founded the: International Committee for a New Planet. ICNP was the basis for bringing Swedes to theWest Coast to study new business models. Basis for funding Gerard ONeil's project to create a new planet at L-5. 1973

Founder of the Briarpatch Network. June 1974. The Briarpatch Network was the subject of the book Honest Business. After extensive training of organizers in Europe, from 1978-1984, the Briarpatch was brought back to the U.S. by the German Marshall Plan as Small Business Networking.

Started the Glide Third World Tours of San Francisco. 1975. This project was started during a strike by Grayline Tours and was the beginning of independent tour companies in San Francisco as well as neighborhood walking tours.

Organized a campaign to stop the anti-Japanese whaling ban
movement. 1976

Co-organizer of New Years Xmas tree burn on Ocean Beach. 1976. Burns on the beach continue to this day. Original inspiration for Burning Man.

Created 6th Street Park, the first public facility for poor black
alcoholics. 1978-81

Co-founded the Common Good School to provide advanced
training for community organizers. 1980

Co-founded The Noren Institute, a school for small businesses.
1981-87. Classes visited businesses. Source of the books: Marketing Without Advertising and Running a One Person Business.

Founded: The Project to Label Gene-Altered Food; 1992 Organized a national conference in 1996.

Co-founded The National Project to Stop Human Germline Engineering; 1998

Expert Witness for Minority Community:
Expert witness on business matters on behalf of consumer
rights and minority communities.

Working with Public Advocates, the Greenlining Coalition and
the Greenlining Institute.

Successful in winning many cases against AT&T, Pacific Bell,
Pacific Gas and Electric and major insurance companies.
1983 to present.

Business consultant -- Clients:
Sweden:
Newspapers, Airline, Banks, Consumer and Producer Co-ops, Swedish Royal Institute.

Japan:
Major Womens' Clothing Designer, Ad Agency, Graphics, Building Maintenance, Electronic Suppliers, Banks, NTT. Partner in Dynax a Social Science Think Tank in Tokyo.

U.S.:
Department Stores, Computer Software, Manufacturing, Medical Equipment, Food, Education,
Publishing, Hotels, Arts, International Trade, World Bank.

Two case studies: Japan and Sweden

Don’t know what to do with this information, but it may cross-reference with other topics on “The Finders”.
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Re: Mainstream proves whose really behind child kidnapping rings

Postby semper occultus » Mon Sep 06, 2010 12:51 pm

fascinating post D.R....thanks for sharing your research ....& welcome to the board.
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Re: Mainstream proves whose really behind child kidnapping rings

Postby cptmarginal » Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:02 pm

That's quite a resume, damn.

Michael Phillips wrote:The Finders were a middle-class commune. By that I mean (and they mean) that most of the core group were well educated, some came from prestigious universities and many had held important jobs. The core group was close to their teacher Marion D. Petty, a self educated, retired Army non-commissioned officer.
What fascinated me most about the Finders is that they followed one of Petty's main Daoist teachings: live every moment fresh. That meant that every day they had a group meeting and decided what to do that day. They were serious and often they just plain disappeared for days, weeks months or years. They arrived and they moved on without notice.


Definitely some interesting business they were traveling around for:

"I was advised that all the passport data had been turned over to the State Department for their investigation. The State Department in turn, advised the MPD that all travel and use of the passports by the holders of the passports was within the law and no action would be taken. This included travel to Moscow, North Korea, and North Vietnam from the late 1950s to mid 1970s.

"The individual further advised me of circumstances which indicated that the investigation into the activity of the Finders had become a CIA internal matter. The MPD report has been classified SECRET and was not available for review. I was advised that the FBI had withdrawn from the investigation several weeks prior and that the FBI Foreign Counter Intelligence Division had directed MPD not to advise the FBI Washington Field Office of anything that had transpired.


http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/artic ... _print.htm

In an interview with U.S. News, Pettie described the Finders as a communal, holistic-living and learning arrangement. The group numbers some 20 members, Pettie says; they do freelance journalism, research and "competitor intelligence" for a variety of mostly foreign clients. The Finders work for no foreign governments, Pettie says. Their duplex, in a residential Northwest Washington neighborhood, is decorated with global maps and bulletin boards. Residents of Culpeper, Va., 90 minutes from Washington, say the Finders have operated an office there, too, from time to time. That office contained computer terminals and clocks reflecting different time zones around the world.

CIA officials say they referred all matters concerning the Finders and the police investigation to the FBI's Foreign Counterintelligence Division. FBI officials will not comment. Law enforcement sources say some of the Finders are listed in the FBI's classified counterintelligence files.


Here's a link to the extremely interesting original Finders thread on RI, from 2005:

viewtopic.php?f=46&t=8555

Phillips and his family could just as easily be assumed to not have been deeply involved, since a lot of people took advantage of the "open house" policies for various reasons. One person who posted on that thread lived with the Finders in the 70s, and says that they used the terminology of "fingers" and "thumbs".

This is a pretty strange thing to say, though:
I was a well known author at the time, was the treasurer and business manager of Glide a magnet institution and was deeply involved in the counter-culture. From then on, I have stayed in touch with the Finders, I've known several of the members very well and followed their history. I also visited them in D.C. on many occasions.
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Re: Mainstream proves whose really behind child kidnapping rings

Postby D.R. » Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:30 pm

For what it's worth, I believe "the manuscript" about The Finders that Michael Phillips read was by Robert "Tobe" Terrell, linked in this article:

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/arti ... ers-keeper
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Postby Luther Blissett » Tue Sep 07, 2010 3:25 pm

11:11 wrote:Jesus, with all of the evidence showing that's it government behind child trafficking, genocide, you name it, it boggles the mind how many people here are pro big government. Yeah, let's make them even MORE powerful, and centralize it all! Let's have a WORLD army to enforce their criminal activities. Just take care of me from cradle to grave, and I'll look the other way. Sickening.


I'm pro-big government in that I want the People to be the most powerful fourth branch of government, i.e. Democratic Socialism. I think that's how most people who are big government here see it. Not just throwing it to the wolves.
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