"Archeological Coverups", by David Hatcher Childress

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"Archeological Coverups", by David Hatcher Childress

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"Archeological Coverups", by David Hatcher Childress

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The following is an intriguing article entitled "Archeological
Coverups", by David Hatcher Childress in the above NEXUS magazine.
Following that is a newspaper article from a 1909 newspaper
indicating a bizarre suppressed find in the Grand Canyon area.

It indicates either a hoax published at the time OR that the
Smithsonian and/or the government is covering up details of past
archeological discoveries that would rock current understanding of
the past.

Despite KeelyNet being primarily a science based board, this article
intrigues us because of the similarity in information suppression to
"protect the people"....this would appear to be the reason WHY we
don't have working free energy and anti-grav devices as well as
absolute cures for most terminal diseases.

If, after reading the article and the attached newspaper file, you
decide to investigate the matter further, we here at KeelyNet would
appreciate you sharing your findings with either/or Mr. Childress at
the World Explorers Club or us here at KeelyNet. Thanks...>>> Jerry
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Archeological Coverups?
by David Hatcher Childress

World Explorers Club
403 Kemp Street
Kempton, Illinois 60946-0074 USA
Tel : (815) 253-6390
FAX : (815) 253-6300

Most of us are familiar with the last scene in the popular Indiana
Jones archeological adventure film RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK in which
an important historical artefact, the Ark of the Covenant from the
Temple in Jerusalem, is locked in a crate and put in a giant
warehouse, never to be seen again, thus ensuring that no history
books will have to be rewritten and no history professor will have
to revise the lecture that he has been giving for the last forty
years.

While the film was fiction, the scene in which an important ancient
relic is buried in a warehouse is uncomfortably close to reality for
many researchers. To those who investigate allegations of
archaeological cover-ups, there are disturbing indications that the
most important archaeological institute in the United States, the
Smithsonian Institute, an independent federal agency, has been
actively suppressing some of the most interesting and important
archaeological discoveries made in the Americas.

The Vatican has been long accused of keeping artefacts and ancient
books in their vast cellars, without allowing the outside world
access to them. These secret treasures, often of a controversial
historical or religious nature, are allegedly suppressed by the
Catholic Church because they might damage the church's credibility,
or perhaps cast their official texts in doubt. Sadly, there is
overwhelming evidence that something very similar is happening with
the Smithsonian Institution.

The cover-up and alleged suppression of archaeological evidence
began in late 1881 when John Wesley Powell, the geologist famous for
exploring the Grand Canyon, appointed Cyrus Thomas as the director
of the Eastern Mound Division of the Smithsonian Institution's
Bureau of Ethnology.

When Thomas came to the Bureau of Ethnology he was a

"pronounced believer in the existence of a race of Mound Builders,
distinct from the American Indians."

However, John Wesley Powell, the director of the Bureau of
Ethnology, a very sympathetic man toward the American Indians, had
lived with the peaceful Winnebago Indians of Wisconsin for many
years as a youth and felt that American Indians were unfairly
thought of as primitive and savage.

The Smithsonian began to promote the idea that Native Americans, at
that time being exterminated in the Indian Wars, were descended from
advanced civilisations and were worthy of respect and protection.

They also began a program of suppressing any archaeological evidence
that lent credence to the school of thought known as Diffusionism, a
school which believes that throughout history there has been
widespread dispersion of culture and civilisation via contact by
ship and major trade routes.

The Smithsonian opted for the opposite school, known as
Isolationism. Isolationism holds that most civilisations are
isolated from each other and that there has been very little contact
between them, especially those that are separated by bodies of
water. In this intellectual war that started in the 1880s, it was
held that even contact between the civilisations of the Ohio and
Mississippi Valleys were rare, and certainly these civilisations did
not have any contact with such advanced cultures as the Mayas,
Toltecs, or Aztecs in Mexico and Central America. By Old World
standards this is an extreme, and even ridiculous idea, considering
that the river system reached to the Gulf of Mexico and these
civilisations were as close as the opposite shore of the gulf. It
was like saying that cultures in the Black Sea area could not have
had contact with the Mediterranean.

When the contents of many ancient mounds and pyramids of the Midwest
were examined, it was shown that the history of the Mississippi
River Valleys was that of an ancient and sophisticated culture that
had been in contact with Europe and other areas. Not only that, the
contents of many mounds revealed burials of huge men, sometimes
seven or eight feet tall, in full armour with swords and sometimes
huge treasures.

(Vangard note..>Eastern Indian texts say that at one time men lived
thousands of years and grew very tall in direct proportion to their
age, as does the Bible with the comment "and there were GIANTS in
the earth in those days...")

For instance, when Spiro Mound in Oklahoma was excavated in the
1930's, a tall man in full armour was discovered along with a pot of
thousands of pearls and other artefacts, the largest such treasure
so far documented. The whereabouts of the man in armour is unknown
and it is quite likely that it eventually was taken to the
Smithsonian Institution.

In a private conversation with a well-known historical researcher
(who shall remain nameless), I was told that a former employee of
the Smithsonian, who was dismissed for defending the view of
diffusionism in the Americas (i.e. the heresy that other ancient
civilisations may have visited the shores of North and South America
during the many millenia before Columbus), alleged that the
Smithsonian at one time had actually taken a barge full of unusual
artefacts out into the Atlantic and dumped them in the ocean.

Though the idea of the Smithsonian' covering up a valuable
archaeological find is difficult to accept for some, there is,
sadly, a great deal of evidence to suggest that the Smithsonian
Institution has knowingly covered up and 'lost' important
archaeological relics. The STONEWATCH NEWSLETTER of the Gungywamp
Society in Connecticut, which researches megalithic sites in New
England, had a curious story in their Winter 1992 issue about stone
coffins discovered in 1892 in Alabama which were sent to the
Smithsonian Institution and then 'lost'. According to the
newsletter, researcher Frederick J. Pohl wrote an intriguing letter
in 1950 to the late Dr. T.C. Lethbridge, a British archaeologist.

The letter from Pohl stated, "A professor of geology sent me a
reprint (of the) Smithsonian Institution, THE CRUMF BURIAL CAVE by
Frank Burns, US Geological Survey, from the report of the US
National Museum for 1892, pp 451-454, 1984. In the Crumf Cave,
southern branch of the Warrior River, in Murphy's Valley, Blount
County, Alabama, accessible from Mobile Bay by river, were coffins
of wood hollowed out by fire, aided by stone or copper chisels.

Either of these coffins were taken to the Smithsonian. They were
about 7.5 feet long, 14" to 18" wide, 6" to 7" deep. Lids open.
"I wrote recently to the Smithsonian, and received a reply March
11th from F.M. Setzler, Head Curator of Department of Anthropology
(He said) 'We have not been able to find the specimens in our
collections, though records show that they were received."

David Barron, President of the Gungywamp Society was eventually told
by the Smithsonian in 1992 that the coffins were actually wooden
troughs and that they could not be viewed anyway because they were
housed in an asbestos-contaminated warehouse. This warehouse was to
be closed for the next ten years and no one was allowed in except
the Smithsonian personnel!

Ivan T. Sanderson, a well-known zoologist and frequent guest on
Johnny Carson's TONIGHT SHOW in the 1960s (usually with an exotic
animal with a pangolin or a lemur), once related a curious story
about a letter he received regarding an engineer who was stationed
on the Aleutian island of Shemya during World War II. While
building an airstrip, his crew bulldozed a group of hills and
discovered under several sedimentary layers what appeared to be
human remains. The Alaskan mound was in fact a graveyard of
gigantic human remains, consisting of crania and long leg bones.

The crania measured from 22 to 24 inches from base to crown. Since
an adult skull normally measures about eight inches from back to
front, such a large crania would imply an immense size for a
normally proportioned human. Furthermore, every skull was said to
have been neatly trepanned (a process of cutting a hole in the upper
portion of the skull).

In fact, the habit of flattening the skull of an infant and forcing
it to grow in an elongated shape was a practice used by ancient
Peruvians, the Mayas, and the Flathead Indians of Montana. Sanderson
tried to gather further proof, eventually receiving a letter from
another member of the unit who confirmed the report. The letters
both indicated that the Smithsonian Institution had collected the
remains, yet nothing else was heard. Sanderson seemed convinced
that the Smithsonian Institution had received the bizarre relics,
but wondered why they would not release the data. He asks, "...is
it that these people cannot face rewriting all the textbooks?"

In 1944 an accidental discovery of an even more controversial nature
was made by Waldemar Julsrud at Acambaro, Mexico. Acambaro is in
the state of Guanajuato, 175 miles northwest of Mexico City. The
strange archaeological site there yielded over 33,500 objects of
ceramic;stone, including jade; and knives of obsidian (sharper than
steel and still used today in heart surgery). Jalsrud, a prominent
local German merchant, also found statues ranging from less than an
inch to six feet in length depicting great reptiles, some of them in
ACTIVE ASSOCIATION with humans - generally eating them, but in some
bizarre statuettes an erotic association was indicated. To
observers many of these creatures resembled dinosaurs.

Jalsrud crammed this collection into twelve rooms of his expanded
house. There startling representations of Negroes, Orientals, and
bearded Caucasians were included as were motifs of Egyptians,
Sumerian and other ancient non-hemispheric civilisations, as well as
portrayals of Bigfoot and aquatic monsterlike creatures, weird
human-animal mixtures, and a host of other inexplicable creations.
Teeth from an extinct Ice Age horse, the skeleton of a mammoth, and
a number of human skulls were found at the same site as the ceramic
artefacts.

Radio-carbon dating in the laboratories of the University of
Pennsylvania and additional tests using the thermoluminescence
method of dating pottery were performed to determine the age of the
objects. Results indicated the objects were made about 6,500 years
ago, around 4,500 BC. A team of experts at another university,
shown Jalrud's half-dozen samples but unaware of their origin, ruled
out the possibility that they could have been modern reproductions.
However, they fell silent when told of their controversial source.

In 1952, in an effort to debunk this weird collection which was
gaining a certain amount of fame, American archaeologist Charles C.
DiPeso claimed to have minutely examined the then 32,000 pieces
within not more than four hours spent at the home of Julsrud. In a
forthcoming book, long delayed by continuing developments in his
investigation, archaeological investigator John H. Tierney, who has
lectured on the case for decades, points out that to have done that
DiPeso would have had to have inspected 133 pieces per minute
steadily for four hours, whereas in actuality, it would have
required weeks merely to have separated the massive jumble of
exhibits and arranged them properly for a valid evaluation.

Tierney, who collaborated with the later Professor Hapgood, the late
William N. Russell, and others in the investigation, charges that
the Smithsonian Institution and other archaeological authorities
conducted a campaign of disinformation against the discoveries. The
Smithsonian had, early in the controversy, dismissed the entire
Acambaro collection as an elaborate hoax. Also, utilising the
Freedom of Information Act, Tierney discovered that practically the
entirety of the Smithsonian's Julsrud case files are missing.

After two expeditions to the site in 1955 and 1968, Professor
Charles Hapgood, a professor of history and anthropology at the
University of New Hampshire, recorded the results of his 18-year
investigation of Acambaro in a privately printed book entitled
MYSTERY IN ACAMBARO. Hapgood was initially an open-minded skeptic
concerning the collection but became a believer after his first
visit in 1955, at which time he witnessed some of the figures being
excavated and even dictated to the diggers where he wanted them to
dig.

Adding to the mind-boggling aspects of this controversy is the fact
that the Instituto Nacional de Antropologia e Historia, through the
late Director of PreHispanic Monuments, Dr. Eduardo Noguera, (who,
as head of an official investigating team at the site, issued a
report which Tierney will be publishing), admitted "the apparent
scientific legality with which these objects wer found." Despite
evidence of their own eyes, however, officials declared that because
of the objects 'fantastic' nature, they had to have been a hoax
played on Julsrud!

A disappointed but ever-hopeful Julsrud died. His house was sold
and the collection put in storage. The collection is not currently
open to the public.

Perhaps the most amazing suppression of all is the excavation of an
Egyptian tomb by the Smithsonian itself in Arizona. A lengthy front
page story of the PHOENIX GAZETTE on 5 April 1909 (follows this
article), gave a highly detailed report of the discovery and
excavation of a rock-cut vault by an expedition led by a Professor
S.A. Jordan of the Smithsonian. The Smithsonian, however, claims to
have absolutely no knowledge of the discovery or its discoverers.

The World Explorers Club decided to check on this story by calling
the Smithsonian in Washington, D.C., though we felt there was little
chance of getting any real information. After speaking briefly to
an operator, we were transferred to a Smithsonian staff
archaeologist, and a woman's voice came on the phone and identified
herself.

I told her that I was investigating a story from a 1909 Phoenix
newspaper article about the Smithsonian Institution's having
excavated rock-cut vaults in the Grand Canyon where Egyptian
artefacts had been discovered, and whether the Smithsonian
Institution could give me any more information on the subject.

"Well, the first thing I can tell you, before we go any further,"
she said, "is that no Egyptian artefacts of any kind have ever been
found in North or South America. Therefore, I can tell you that the
Smithsonian Institute has never been involved in any such
excavations." She was quite helpful and polite but, in the end,
knew nothing. Neither she nor anyone else with whom I spoke could
find any record of the discovery or either G.E. Kinkaid and
Professor S.A. Jordan.

While it cannot be discounted that the entire story is an elaborate
newspaper hoax, the fact that it was on the front page, named the
prestigious Smithsonian Institution, and gave a highly detailed
story that went on for several pages, lends a great deal to its
credibility. It is hard to believe such a story could have come out
of thin air.

Is the Smithsonian Institution covering up an archaeological
discovery of immense importance? If this story is true it would
radically change the current view that there was no transoceanic
contact in pre-Columbian times, and that all American Indians, on
both continents, are descended from Ice Age explorers who came
across the Bering Strait. (Any information on G.E. Kinkaid and
Professor S.A. Jordan, or their alleged discoveries, that readers
may have would be greatly appreciated.....write to Childress at the
World Explorers Club at the above address.)

Is the idea that ancient Egyptians came to the Arizona area in the
ancient past so objectionable and preposterous that it must be
covered up? Perhaps the Smithsonian Institution is more interested
in maintaining the status quo than rocking the boat with astonishing
new discoveries that overturn previously accepted academic
teachings.

Historian and linguist Carl Hart, editor of WORLD EXPLORER, then
obtained a hiker's map of the Grand Canyon from a bookstore in
Chicago. Poring over the map, we were amazed to see that much of
the area on the north side of the canyon has Egyptian names. The
area around Ninety-four Mile Creek and Trinity Creek had areas (rock
formations, apparently) with names like Tower of Set, Tower of Ra,
Horus Temple, Osiris Temple, and Isis Temple. In the Haunted Canyon
area were such names as the Cheops Pyramid, the Buddha Cloister,
Buddha Temple, Manu Temple and Shiva Temple. Was there any
relationship between these places and the alleged Egyptian
discoveries in the Grand Canyon?

We called a state archaeologist at the Grand Canyon, and were told
that the early explorers had just liked Egyptian and Hindu names,
but that it was true that this area was off limits to hikers or
other visitors, "because of dangerous caves."

Indeed, this entire area with the Egyptian and Hindu place names in
the Grand Canyon is a forbidden zone - no one is allowed into this
large area.

We could only conclude that this was the area where the vaults were
located. Yet today, this area is curiously off-limits to all hikers
and even, in large part, park personnel.

I believe that the discerning reader will see that if only a small
part of the "Smithsoniangate" evidence is true, then our most
hallowed archaeological institution has been actively involved in
suppressing evidence for advanced American cultures, evidence for
ancient voyages of various cultures to North America, evidence for
anomalistic giants and other oddball artefacts, and evidence that
tends to disprove the official dogma that is now the history of
North America.

The Smithsonian's Board of Regents still refuses to open its
meetings to the news media or the public. If Americans were ever
allowed inside the 'nation's attic', as the Smithsonian has been
called, what skeletons might they find?
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from the front page of THE PHOENIX GAZETTE of April 5th, 1909

EXPLORATIONS IN GRAND CANYON
Mysteries of Immense Rich Cavern being brought to light
Jordan is enthused
Remarkable finds indicate ancient people migrated from Orient

The latest news of the progress of the explorations of what is now
regarded by scientists as not only the oldest archeological
discovery in the United States, but one of the most valuable in the
world, which was mentioned some time ago in the Gazette, was brought
to the city yesterday by G.E. Kinkaid, the explorer who found the
great underground citadel of the Grand Canyon during a trip from
Green River, Wyoming, down the Colorado, in a wooden boat, to Yuma,
several months ago.

According to the story related to the Gazette by Mr. Kinkaid, the
archaelogists of the Smithsonian Institute, which is financing the
expeditions, have made discoveries which almost conclusively prove
that the race which inhabited this mysterious cavern, hewn in solid
rock by human hands, was of oriental origin, possibly from Egypt,
tracing back to Ramses. If their theories are borne out by the
translation of the tablets engraved with heiroglyphics, the mystery
of the prehistoric peoples of North America, their ancient arts, who
they were and whence they came, will be solved. Egypt and the Nile,
and Arizona and the Colorado will be linked by a historical chain
running back to ages which staggers the wildest fancy of the
fictionist.

A Thorough Examination

Under the direction of Prof. S. A. Jordan, the Smithsonian Institute
is now prosecuting the most thorough explorations, which will be
continued until the last link in the chain is forged. Nearly a mile
underground, about 1480 feet below the surface, the long main
passage has been delved into, to find another mammoth chamber from
which radiates scores of passageways, like the spokes of a wheel.

Several hundred rooms have been discovered, reached by passageways
running from the main passage, one of them having been explored for
854 feet and another 634 feet. The recent finds include articles
which have never been known as native to this country, and doubtless
they had their origin in the orient. War weapons, copper
instruments, sharp-edged and hard as steel, indicate the high state
of civilization reached by these strange people. So interested have
the scientists become that preparations are being made to equip the
camp for extensive studies, and the force will be increased to
thirty or forty persons.

Mr. Kinkaid's Report

Mr. Kinkaid was the first white child born in Idaho and has been an
explorer and hunter all his life, thirty years having been in the
service of the Smithsonian Institute. Even briefly recounted, his
history sounds fabulous, almost grotesque.

"First, I would impress that the cavern is nearly inaccessible. The
entrance is 1,486 feet down the sheer canyon wall. It is located on
government land and no visitor will be allowed there under penalty
of trespass. The scientists wish to work unmolested, without fear
of archeological discoveries being disturbed by curio or relic
hunters.

A trip there would be fruitless, and the visitor would be sent on
his way. The story of how I found the cavern has been related, but
in a paragraph: I was journeying down the Colorado river in a boat,
alone, looking for mineral. Some forty-two miles up the river from
the El Tovar Crystal canyon, I saw on the east wall, stains in the
sedimentary formation about 2,000 feet above the river bed. There
was no trail to this point, but I finally reached it with great
difficulty.

Above a shelf which hid it from view from the river, was the mouth
of the cave. There are steps leading from this entrance some thirty
yards to what was, at the time the cavern was inhabited, the level
of the river. When I saw the chisel marks on the wall inside the
entrance, I became interested, securing my gun and went in. During
that trip I went back several hundred feet along the main passage
till I came to the crypt in which I discovered the mummies. One of
these I stood up and photographed by flashlight. I gathered a
number of relics, which I carried down the Colorado to Yuma, from
whence I shipped them to Washington with details of the discovery.
Following this, the explorations were undertaken.

The Passages

"The main passageway is about 12 feet wide, narrowing to nine feet
toward the farther end. About 57 feet from the entrance, the first
side-passages branch off to the right and left, along which, on both
sides, are a number of rooms about the size of ordinary living rooms
of today, though some are 30 by 40 feet square. These are entered
by oval-shaped doors and are ventilated by round air spaces through
the walls into the passages. The walls are about three feet six
inches in thickness.

The passages are chiseled or hewn as straight as could be laid out
by an engineer. The ceilings of many of the rooms converge to a
center. The side-passages near the entrance run at a sharp angle
from the main hall, but toward the rear they gradually reach a right
angle in direction.

The Shrine

"Over a hundred feet from the entrance is the cross-hall, several
hundred feet long, in which are found the idol, or image, of the
people's god, sitting cross-legged, with a lotus flower or lily in
each hand. The cast of the face is oriental, and the carving this
cavern. The idol almost resembles Buddha, though the scientists are
not certain as to what religious worship it represents. Taking into
consideration everything found thus far, it is possible that this
worship most resembles the ancient people of Tibet.

Surrounding this idol are smaller images, some very beautiful in
form; others crooked-necked and distorted shapes, symbolical,
probably, of good and evil. There are two large cactus with
protruding arms, one on each side of the dais on which the god
squats. All this is carved out of hard rock resembling marble. In
the opposite corner of this cross-hall were found tools of all
descriptions, made of copper. These people undoubtedly knew the
lost art of hardening this metal, which has been sought by chemicals
for centureis without result. On a bench running around the
workroom was some charcoal and other material probably used in the
process. There is also slag and stuff similar to matte, showing
that these ancients smelted ores, but so far no trace of where or
how this was done has been discovered, nor the origin of the ore.

"Among the other finds are vases or urns and cups of copper and
gold, made very artistic in design. The pottery work includes
enameled ware and glazed vessels. Another passageway leads to
granaries such as are found in the oriental temples. They contain
seeds of varous kinds. One very large storehouse has not yet been
entered, as it is twelve feet high and can be reached only from
above. Two copper hooks extend on the edge, which indicates that
some sort of ladder was attached. These granaries are rounded, as
the materials of which they are constructed, I think, is a ver hard
cement. A gray metal is also found in this cavern, which puzzles
the scientists, for its identity has not been established. It
resembles platinum. Strewn promiscuously over the floor everywhere
are what people call "cats eyse', a yellow stone of no great value.
Each one is engraved with the head of the Malay type.

The Hieroglyphics

"On all the urns, or walls over doorways , and tablets of stone
which were found by the image are the mysterious hieroglyphics, the
key to which the Smithsonian Institute hopes yet to discover. The
engraving on the tables probably has something to do with the
religion of the people. Similar hieroglyphics have been found in
southern Arizona. Among the pictorial writings, only two animals
are found. One is of prehistoric type.

The Crypt

"The tomb or crypt in which the mummies were found is one of the
largest of the chambers, the walls slanting back at an angle of
about 35 degrees. On these are tiers of mummies, each one occupying
a separate hewn shelf. At the head of each is a small bench, on
which is found copper cups and pieces of broken swords. Some of the
mummies are covered with clay, and all are wrapped in a bark fabric.

The urns or cups on the lower tiers are crude, while as the higher
shelves are reached, the urns are finer in design, showing a later
stage of civilization. It is worthy of note that all the mummies
examined so far have proved to be male, no children or females being
buried here. This leads to the belief that this exterior section
was the warriors' barracks.

"Among the discoveries no bones of animals have been found, no
skins, no clothing, no bedding. Many of the rooms are bare but for
water vessels. One room, about 40 by 700 feet, was probably the
main dining hall, for cooking utensils are found here. What these
people lived on is a problem, though it is presumed that they came
south in the winter and farmed in the valleys, going back north in
the summer.

Upwards of 50,000 people could have lived in the caverns
comfortably. One theory is that the present Indian tribes found in
Arizona are descendants of the serfs or slaves of the people which
inhabited the cave. Undoubtedly a good many thousands of years
before the Christian era, a people lived here which reached a high
stage of civilization. The chronology of human history is full of
gaps. Professor Jordan is much enthused over the discoveries and
believes that the find will prove of incalculable value in
archeological work.

"One thing I have not spoken of, may be of interest. There is one
chamber of the passageway to which is not ventilated, and when we
approached it a deadly, snaky smell struck us. Our light would not
penetrate the gloom, and until stronger ones are available we will
not know what the chamber contains. Some say snakes, but other
boo-hoo this idea and think it may contain a deadly gas or chemicals
used by the ancients. No sounds are heard, but it smells snaky just
the same. The whole underground installation gives one of shaky
nerves the creeps. The gloom is like a weight on one's shoulders,
and our flashlights and candles only make the darkness blacker.
Imagination can revel in conjectures and ungodly daydreams back
through the ages that have elapsed till the mind reels dizzily in
space."

An Indian Legend

In connection with this story, it is notable that among the Hopi
Indians the tradition is told that their ancestors once lived in an
underworld in the Grand Canyon till dissension arose between the
good and the bad, the people of one heart and the people of two
hearts. Machetto, who was their chief, counseled them to leave the
underworld, but there was no way out. The chief then caused a tree
to grow up and pierce the roof of the underworld, and then the
people of one heart climbed out. They tarried by Paisisvai (Red
River), which is the Colorado, and grew grain and corn.

They sent out a message to the Temple of the Sun, asking the
blessing of peace, good will and rain for people of one heart. That
messenger never returned, but today at the Hopi villages at sundown
can be seen the old men of the tribe out on the housetops gazing
toward the sun, looking for the messenger. When he returns, their
lands and ancient dwelling place will be restored to them. That is
the tradition.

Among the engravings of animals in the cave is seen the image of a
heart over the spot where it is located. The legend was learned by
W.E. Rollins, the artist, during a year spent with the Hopi Indians.

There are two theories of the origin of the Egyptians. One is that
they came from Asia; another that the racial cradle was in the upper
Nile region. Heeren, an Egyptologist, believed in the Indian origin
of the Egyptians. The discoveries in the Grand Canyon may throw
further light on human evolution and prehistoric ages.
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Postby chiggerbit » Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:25 pm

Sounds like Mormon mythology to me.
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Postby tazmic » Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:04 pm

"It ever was, and is, and shall be, ever-living fire, in measures being kindled and in measures going out." - Heraclitus

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Re: "Archeological Coverups", by David Hatcher Childress

Postby chiggerbit » Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:17 pm

Childress says he isn't a Mormon and wasn't raised as a Mormon, but he sure plays footsie with Mormon mythology.

Not sure if this link will work or not, but I can't get it copied, so will see if I can do it this way:

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Re: "Archeological Coverups", by David Hatcher Childress

Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:34 pm




I recall first stumbling upon Michael Cremo's book [Forbidden Archeology] about 10 years ago or so when I began questioning much of our established history/origins [or I should say, when I began following up on some of the curiosity I've maintained on this topic]..

Although to this day I remain highly skeptical of the established theories of human evolution and the origins of man [to clarify, that is not to say I'm necessarily a proponent of "Intelligent Design", or at least whatever passes for current intelligent design theories, nor do I discount some of the other aspects of evolution -- evolution does indeed occur in nature, but the concept of apes evolving to hairless bipedal humans simply through this theory of 'evolution' has never satisfied my intuitive sense of our origins, but that's a whole other multi-paragraph discussion for some other time.. or not], shortly after reading his book and becoming intrigued, I dug a bit deeper into this man known as Michael Cremo and found, among other things, that he is also known as Drutakarma Dasa:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Cremo

Michael A. Cremo (born July 15, 1948, Schenectady, New York), also known as Drutakarma Dasa, is an American Hindu creationist whose work argues that modern humans have lived on the earth for billions of years. Cremo's book Forbidden Archeology has attracted attention from Hindu creationists and paranormalists, but has been labeled as "pseudoscience" and "antievolutionism" by some representatives of the scientific community. Cremo has referred to himself as a "Vedic creationist."

Also of potential interest:

Cremo's father, Salvatore, was a military intelligence officer. Michael Cremo went to high school in Germany and spent much of his summers travelling throughout Europe. He attended George Washington University from 1966 to 1968, then served in the United States Navy.

This may shed a bit more light on Mr. Cremo's potential agenda, not to mention the sources of funding for publishing such books...

Of course, that's not to say there isn't any validity to the findings of his book, but it's always good to know the background of any given author and their potential agendas for publishing certain works when performing due diligence in research...

or whatever...
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Re: "Archeological Coverups", by David Hatcher Childress

Postby freemason9 » Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:39 pm

Agreed, chiggerbit. Also, the newspaper article reads like a hoax.
The real issue is that there is extremely low likelihood that the speculations of the untrained, on a topic almost pathologically riddled by dynamic considerations and feedback effects, will offer anything new.
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Re: "Archeological Coverups", by David Hatcher Childress

Postby tazmic » Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:08 pm

Thanks for the backgrounder Belligerent Savant. There are certainly some incredible claims in the book. I remember thinking the more extreme ones were stretched out somewhat to confirm his beliefs.

Belligerent Savant wrote:it's always good to know the background of any given author and their potential agendas for publishing certain works when performing due diligence in research...


I agree. Rather amusingly, Cremo thinks the suppression of the fossil evidence for extreme human antiquity, is due to confirmation bias.
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Re: "Archeological Coverups", by David Hatcher Childress

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:06 am

I first heard about the idea of a nuclear war in India from my father, before I first heard it from Childless, tho it was kind of coincidental cos I read about his claims (in that nexus) pretty soon after first talking about it with my dad.

The impression I get from him is that he has ... lets call them "filtering issues". Then again he travels round the world going to weird places doesn't he? So he's got more practical experience than me.

I did think of him watching the episodes of South Park where they finally killed off Chef.
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Re: "Archeological Coverups", by David Hatcher Childress

Postby Luther Blissett » Fri Jul 16, 2010 5:04 pm

Despite the unbelievable aspects of the story, an expedition sneaking into the forbidden part of the Grand Canyon and subsequent expedition is my kind of adventure.

on edit: Looks historically accurate for 1909, type is indicative of the period, etc.

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Re: "Archeological Coverups", by David Hatcher Childress

Postby Montag » Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:08 pm

It's interesting the Archaeological suppression and the campaign to dumb everyone down, I had not really before this seen as linked... I see the Diffusionism theory as positing that the human race, in past times, had more intellect and wherewithal than most of us have been taught. Like Orwell said, "Who controls the past controls the future."

p.s. B/c of all of our technology and some of the 'greatness' that the human race has achieved I actually always thought as race we were pretty damn smart. The more I observe humanity though (and observed things like the handling of the Gulf Oil Spill), I have questioned that theory more and more. :mrgreen:
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Re: "Archeological Coverups", by David Hatcher Childress

Postby Iamwhomiam » Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:37 pm

Interesting that this popped up again today. Just yesterday I posted this "Oh, I almost forgot... Now their claiming American Indians had a close relationship with Lucifer. The stuff they must be smokin', phew. More here." here about one of the rather unique carved pipes found in one of the Spiro Mounds.

Look at how intricately this shell has been carved away.

They also had copper items of jewelery such as ear spools and also possessed repoussé copper plates. Intricately carved conch shells served as cups. (I had been under the impression that early North American cultures lacked metallurgy skills. I also thought Conch were an ocean species and not found in the Gulf of Mexico, but I see that certain varieties were well distributed along the Gulf Coast states.)

These early Americans seemed to venerate the "Birdman." Wonder where they got that from? Here perhaps or here? Or was it from here? Maybe the enigmatic Abrasax?

More on the Spiro Mound here.

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Re: "Archeological Coverups", by David Hatcher Childress

Postby Dradin Kastell » Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:09 am

chiggerbit wrote:Sounds like Mormon mythology to me.


Funny you should say that. Upon searching for "Kinkaid" and "Smithsonian" in Google Books (1900-1920) I found that the discovery (or something very close to it) had been also reported by The Latter-Day Saints' Millennial Star in 1909. (The original copy is digitized by Princeton University).

The preview snippet (pg. 337) does not give one much to dwell upon:

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Note that the particulars match, same spelling of the name, thirty years with "Smithsonian Institute", not "Institution", same as in the Phoenix Gazette. Even without seeing the whole piece, I'd say this lends credence to the idea that the story did appear in the Gazette in 1909. Its veracity is another thing, of course.
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Re: "Archeological Coverups", by David Hatcher Childress

Postby NeonLX » Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:39 pm

Belligerent Savant wrote:Although to this day I remain highly skeptical of the established theories of human evolution and the origins of man [to clarify, that is not to say I'm necessarily a proponent of "Intelligent Design", or at least whatever passes for current intelligent design theories, nor do I discount some of the other aspects of evolution -- evolution does indeed occur in nature, but the concept of apes evolving to hairless bipedal humans simply through this theory of 'evolution' has never satisfied my intuitive sense of our origins, but that's a whole other multi-paragraph discussion for some other time.. or not]


I, for one, would love to take part in such a discussion (or at least watch intently from the sidelines because of my relative lack of knowledge and/or intuition). Maybe there's already been a thread or three along these lines? I s'pose I could use the forum's search function...

I've always been fascinated with ancient human and hominid archeological remains. No question, humans and hominids have walked the planet for a very long time; I'm just not certain of how we became us.
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Re: "Archeological Coverups", by David Hatcher Childress

Postby No_Baseline » Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:05 pm

NeonLX

I've always been fascinated with ancient human and hominid archeological remains. No question, humans and hominids have walked the planet for a very long time; I'm just not certain of how we became us.


WORD.

Dradin Kastell

Funny you should say that. Upon searching for "Kinkaid" and "Smithsonian" in Google Books (1900-1920) I found that the discovery (or something very close to it) had been also reported by The Latter-Day Saints' Millennial Star in 1909. (The original copy is digitized by Princeton University).

The preview snippet (pg. 337) does not give one much to dwell upon:

Note that the particulars match, same spelling of the name, thirty years with "Smithsonian Institute", not "Institution", same as in the Phoenix Gazette. Even without seeing the whole piece, I'd say this lends credence to the idea that the story did appear in the Gazette in 1909. Its veracity is another thing, of course.


I have seen the Gazette article on many websites, but I've never seen the Star piece, thanks for this, Dradin. I'm not sure what it means, but it's an interesting tie-in.
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