Rosicrucian order coming out of the closet?

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Rosicrucian order coming out of the closet?

Postby cortez » Sun Oct 16, 2005 6:41 am

I was trying to dig up some info on 'The Order of the Rose' <br><br><br>This is all I got..<br><br><br><br><br>Sept. 22 /PRNewswire/ -- The Rosicrucian Order, an<br>organization surrounded in mystery since ancient times, is launching a unique<br>membership campaign, marking a rare foray into the public eye for an organization that has been shrouded in secrecy for over 6,000 years...<br><br>more <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/09-22-2005/0004113808&EDATE=">here</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>they have a new site<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.thesecret.org/">www.thesecret.org/</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><br>Well-known Rosicrucians<br><br>Throughout history a number of prominent people in the fields of science and the arts have been associated with the Rosicrucian movement. The term "Rosicrucian" can be used generically as "Rosicrucian in thought" or, secondly, specifically, as being affiliated with a "Rosicrucian group or body."<br><br>Leonardo da Vinci (1452 to 1519) Scientist, Inventor, Artist, Philospher<br>Cornelius Heinrich Agrippa (1486 to 1535) Writer, Mystic, Alchemist<br>Paracelsus (1493 to 1541) Physician, Alchemist, Occultist<br>Francois Rabelais (1494 to 1553) Writer<br>Theresa of Avila (1515 to 1582) Writer, Doctor of the Church, Patroness of Spain<br>John of the Cross (1542 to 1591) Saint, Writer, Priest<br>Francis Bacon (1561 to 1626) Philosopher, Essayist, Statesman<br>Michael Maier (1566 to 1622) Alchemist, physician<br>Jacob Boehme (1575 to 1624) Mystic<br>Blaise Pascal (1623 to 1662) Scientist<br>Baruch Spinoza (1632 to 1677) Philosopher<br>Gottfried Wilhelm Leibnitz (1646 to 1716) Scientist<br>Benjamin Franklin (1706 to 1790) Scientist, Inventor, Statesman, Printer, Philosopher, Musician, Economist.<br>Thomas Jefferson (1743 to 1826) U.S. President, Author of the Declaration of the Independence, Historian, Philosopher<br>Michael Faraday (1791 to 1867) Physicist, Chemist<br>Marie Corelli (1855 to 1924) Novelist<br>Claude Debussy (1862 to 191<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> Composer<br>Erik Satie (1866 to 1925) Composer, Pianist<br>Edith Piaf (1915 to 1963). Singer<br><br>As a neophyte you can begin to learn the fundementals<br><br>Introductory Lessons (3 months)<br>Right from the start, you are given basic Rosicrucian concepts that you can apply in practical ways. One of the first things you learn is that you are a dual being. In addition to your five physical senses, you also have a psychic sense. The exercises in these introductory lessons are designed to gradually awaken and develop the psychic faculty. The exercises presented here and throughout the entire Rosicrucian system allow you to discover for yourself through direct experience how these principles work. Topics include:<br><br> * Experiments on: Human Aura, Telepathy, Vibroturgy, Metaphysical Healing<br> * Mystical Sounds<br> * Spiritual Alchemy<br> * Time & Space<br> * Experiment: The illusory nature of Time<br> * Human Consciousness<br> * Cosmic Consciousness<br> * Experiment: Development of the Intuition<br> * Meditation<br> * Experiment: Rosicrucian technique of Meditation.. <br><br><br>etc.<br><br><br>--------------------<br><br>I guess they couldn't wait for the Da Vinci code to come out<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=cortez@rigorousintuition>cortez</A> at: 10/16/05 12:43 pm<br></i>
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Re: Rosicrucian order coming out of the closet?

Postby Col Quisp » Sun Oct 16, 2005 10:58 am

In the 1960's, the Rosicrucians often placed ads in the backs of magazines to try to get new members. They were intriguing! Had I not been a child with no money to spend, I might have sent in the $1.00 to get the valuable information they offered. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Rosicrucian order coming out of the closet?

Postby Dreams End » Sun Oct 16, 2005 12:11 pm

I don't think you can trace the Rosicrucians back more than to about the 18th century. Of course, like the Masons, they may claim history that goes back before that under different names or something. But seriously, not ALL western occultic orders can be descended from the Knights Templar, can they? <p></p><i></i>
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Rosy Cross

Postby heyjt » Sun Oct 16, 2005 12:57 pm

Dreams:<br><br> Wouldn't you say that as far as western occult, the Templar lineage is affialiated with quasi-Christian history and gnosticism, while there is also a pre-Christian paganism that may be the basis for other western occult practice?<br> I would put Rosicrucians in the first category... <p></p><i></i>
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it's been a while... wondering are the Templars

Postby nashvillebrook » Sun Oct 16, 2005 12:58 pm

direct "descendants" of the Cathars? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: it's been a while... wondering are the Templars

Postby Dreams End » Sun Oct 16, 2005 1:17 pm

heyjt....I think there's overlap. Look at Freemasons...borrowing from Egyptian and Christian as they see fit. I'm not an expert though.<br><br>And about rosicrucians "coming out of the closet", no...they are always very open...you can still sign up to receive their teachings and go to their bookstore in L.A. Do they have an "inner, secret tradition?" Don't know.<br><br>The Knights templar really existed as a paramilitary force for the Church. Pope thought they were getting out of hand, they were accused of black magic, etc and then legally disbanded. That was in the 14th century, I think. The legends are (and who knows, maybe the reality) that they went underground. Purely as folklore, all those legends are really fascinating. Beyond folklore there are lots of intriguing clues that they did survive. IN any event, I think lots of groups want to claim them. I think Rosicrucians and Masons are alike in that they officially came into existence in the 18th century but claim longer histories. I've seen Masonic books claim Moses was a mason.<br><br>Tons of info out there about these topics. Most of it probably BS...but lots of interesting stuff as well.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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6,000 years - my arse!

Postby zangtang » Sun Oct 16, 2005 2:23 pm

now is that a sears rosicrucian order or a real one?<br><br>with apologies to FZ <p></p><i></i>
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Re: 6,000 years - my arse!

Postby cortez » Sun Oct 16, 2005 2:59 pm

I'm not sure who the the real Rosicrucian's are, these ones I don't believe are swimming the same circles as George 'Order of the Rose' Bush etc. I just thought it was funny last night when I found the press release. <br><br>I still think it's funny. If I join now do I get to tour the Vatican library?<br><br>Who knows though. They seem to claim heritage to almost everything (From Atlantis to French cabaret singer Edith Piaf)<br><br>Here's an article on it<br><br>------------------<br><br>Latest word on ancient order<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/boroughs/story/355812p-303282c.html">link</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>The Rosicrucian Order, an ancient society that traces its roots back to the myths of Atlantis, launched a membership drive this week at the Waldorf-Astoria. It coincided with the publication of its first manifesto since 1616.<br><br>Why now?<br><br>"Well, it's part of the widespread interest in examining life and making sense of it," said Julian Johnson, a New York educational company executive and member of the national board of directors of the Ancient and Mystical Order of Rosae Crucis.<br><br>The membership drive was launched in New York because it is where this order was founded 90 years ago. The Waldorf-Astoria was chosen, Johnson said, because it was a comfortable place for everybody. About 50 people attended.<br><br>The order also is sponsoring "salons," or membership workshops, in Chicago and Los Angeles. "They're meant to let people know how they can come into contact with us at this auspicious time," Johnson said.<br><br>The manifesto, titled "Positio Fraternitatis Rosae Crucis," outlines the order's position on the state of the world - "worrisome" - and makes an appeal for increased individual efforts to improve it. Three earlier manifestos were published in three successive years beginning in 1614. "Maybe it was just time," Johnson said in explaining the appearance of a new manifesto after all this time.<br><br>The organization's privacy - "don't call it secrecy," said Johnson - has left many people with the impression that Rosicrucians belong to a religious cult. "We are not religious," Johnson said. "We're an educational and charitable organization."<br><br>Still, at monthly public meetings at the New York Lodge on the lower East Side, participants meditate and hear lectures that some people might confuse with a liberal sermon. There are frequent references to spirituality, and one designated group, the Council of Solace, meditates and prays daily for others.<br><br>There is no collection plate. "There are annual dues," Johnson said. "About $350 a year. But you can pay by the month."<br><br>The order held a regional meeting early this week in Rye, with about 300 people attending. Julie Scott, whose title is grand master of North America, spoke on current issues and ancient traditions. She lives in San Jose, Calif., headquarters of the Supreme Grand Lodge and burial place of Spencer Lewis, its founder. He arrived there in 1928 and built an Egyptian museum and park that attracts more than 150,000 tourists a year.<br><br>Membership numbers are not public, but Johnson estimates that there are 100,000 adherents in the U.S. Many, like him, left other churches to join the order. Johnson was baptized Catholic and attended a Protestant church in the South Bronx before joining the Rosicrucians when he was 20. "My father was a member," Johnson said, "so I knew all about it and the more I heard, the more it made sense to me."<br><br>There are several organizations using the name and all of them cite their ties with secret occult orders, some in Egypt and others in Europe. Some were born in schisms, but, according to the Ancient and Mystical Order history, Lewis traveled to France in 1909 to receive a charter establishing an order in the United States.<br><br>Lewis was affiliated with various British occult associations before founding his order and, some critics allege, borrowed some of his teachings and emblems from them. One symbol is the rose and cross that gives Rosicrucians their name - the cross represents the physical body and the rose its soul. One of his principle works, a mystic life of Jesus, was reportedly taken word-for-word from an earlier biography, "The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus."<br><br>The order describes itself as the spiritual beneficiary of secret and esoteric societies that flourished long ago in Egypt, Babylon, Greece and Rome, and Rosicrucians claim many famous historical figures as adherents, among them Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Leonardo da Vinci, mathematician Isaac Newton, René ("I think, therefore I am") Descartes, and, more recently, French cabaret singer Edith Piaf.<br><br>The connection with Atlantis, the mythical continent that some people believe sank centuries ago when an earthquake destroyed Athens, is based on teachings by ancient philosophers who cited its influence on their thinking. The Rosicrucian historical time line begins about 26 centuries ago.<br><br>"A lot has happened since then," Johnson said, "but we appeal to the same people as we always did - people looking for answers." <p></p><i></i>
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Yes, Col Quisp! I remember...

Postby banned » Sun Oct 16, 2005 3:29 pm

I am 'of a certain age' and recall being curious about those magazine ads, for the Rosicrucians AMORC as a little kid.<br><br>Only at age 40 did I find out AMORC stands for "Ancient Mystical Order Rosae Crucis [of the Rose Cross]." Then I was entertaining a friend from back East who's into mystical and occult subjects and very interested in Egyptology, so looking for something he'd enjoy I took him to the Rosicrucian Egyptian Museum in San Jose, CA. He was thrilled and told me all about the order itself.<br><br>Check out: <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.rosicrucian.org/">www.rosicrucian.org/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.egyptianmuseum.org/">www.egyptianmuseum.org/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>(Same friend is also into visiting the graves of famous people [strange dude he is], so I took him to the only one I knew of around here, Wyatt Earp's. I had figured Earp would have been buried on Boot Hill, but no, he's a 'permanent resident' of the Hills of Eternity cemetery in Colma, California (just south of San Francisco) along with his wife Josephine Marcus. Weird, huh, that he's not in Tombstone!)<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: AMORC, etc.

Postby Corvidaerex » Sun Oct 16, 2005 8:51 pm

The San Jose-based Rosicrucian Order is about as open as you can get. Like all such societies, they claim a very ancient history, but the American order only goes back a century. From what I know of it -- friends who are members, and the literature available to anyone -- it is a very American version of an esoteric order: open to anyone who pays the reasonable dues, and based more on home study than any involvement with a "lodge" or whatever. (There are plenty of lodges around N. America and beyond, according to the Internets, if you want to take part in the local group meetings.)<br><br>What struck me about the Rosicrucian stuff I've encountered is how much it sounds like New Age concepts ... but that's because I grew up in the 60s/70s, when every other cousin or neighbor seemed to be coming back from an Indian spiritual adventure (usually after a less than spiritual Vietnam War journey). What is more likely -- as Wicca's use of Crowley & Freemason terms shows -- is that these early 20th century clubs greatly influenced the whole hippie spiritualism / India / guru / meditation stuff. My guess is that fewer people seek an order like the American Rosicrucians these days, when so many of the concepts and practices are available at your local yoga studio or new-age bookstore.<br><br>I wonder sometimes if the Hippie Movement didn't have a lot of black-ops agents specifically making spiritual / meditation stuff look silly. (I know there were many gov't efforts to crash the anti-materialism hippie party, but I don't know if the Eastern mystics were particularly targeted ... then again, that jackass who duped the Beatles may well have been a spook.) Certainly, before the hippie movement, a lot of artists, intellectuals and business leaders found much that was worthwhile in these ancient traditions. Afterwards, there was a 25-year period of animosity towards the old ways. And now, we're back to yoga and kaballah and such.<br><br>("Back" is relative. Those pursuits never die, they just fall out of fashion ... and in my opinion, the only time they are worthwhile is when they are far from what is in fashion. The quiet study of interesting esoteric subjects is always more fruitful than a bunch of idiot actors jumping on some mystical craze.)<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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ahem

Postby Homeless Halo » Sun Oct 16, 2005 9:36 pm

lots of Rosicrucians, they're a dime a dozen today.<br><br>For a good history of the subject, before the "new age movenment" (the one in the 60's/70's) look for "A Christain Rosenkruentz Anthology" by Rudolf Steiner. Steiner's a bit wacky, but his stuff influenced the second New Age movement quite a bit.<br><br>Some of the organizations can, perhaps, show person to person links (sometimes bloodlined) for a few hundred years(at best), but appears to have grown out of the remnants of various Monastic and Chivalric Orders, and has occassionally converged with Freemasonry.<br><br>Probably 94% of the Rose Cross groups today are younger than you are, though. They pop up all over the place, because due to the second New Age movement, all the pieces to make their entire belief system are free access. <br><br>The Cathars were contemporary with the Beginnings of the Knights Templar. There is some evidence of crossover in teachings, but it might be that they were merely sympathetic to each other having each possession of "secrets" which were of a similar (not exact) and nature and equally dangerous to know.<br><br>All of this is fascinating.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Steiner.....

Postby zangtang » Sun Oct 16, 2005 11:23 pm

sorry Homeless - not going to let you get away with.....'a bit wacky' when it comes to Steiner.... <p></p><i></i>
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Here is a history of the mystical order....

Postby banned » Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:17 am

...which includes a picture of an initiate.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/fiction/fraternities/buffaloes.html">freemasonry.bcy.ca/fictio...aloes.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Ack Acka Dak!<br>Dak Daka Ack! <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Here is a history of the mystical order....

Postby Dreams End » Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:44 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>that jackass who duped the Beatles may well have been a spook<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>That jackass was the maharishi mahesh Yogi, I believe, founder of TM. His personal secretary for many years was John "Men are From Mars" Gray...also an initial signer on an early 9/11 truth statement and also associated with some shady arms dealer types (per hopsicker's always fascinating but difficult to read site.). It gets wilder from there.<br><br>And then there's the nine and all the other bits that Jeff's been writing about. Lots of crossover/infiltration/fabrication. I can't get a handle on what it's all about really. <p></p><i></i>
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We've got some Rosicrucians around where I live

Postby starroute » Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:19 am

One of the groups founded in the early 1900s has a small presence here in southeastern Pennsylvania. I glanced at a few of their books in the library once -- pretty standard Theosophical-type stuff on Egypt, Atlantis, etc. We knew the great-grandson of the founder for a while, and he was convinced that his great-grandfather had some spooky abilities. (He started a conversation on the matter by asking us, "Do you believe in spirits?") He also told us that his great-grandfather had been a dirty old man who was still propositioning waitresses in his 90's.<br><br>The group used to sponsor a health clinic (homeopathy and naturopathy, I believe) and an alternative school (which my kids attended for several years), but they didn't particularly push their doctrines on the patients or students. I'm not sure if they're still a going concern -- at the very least, they cut back greatly when the founder's son died and none of the grandchildren or great-grandchildren were interested in maintaining the family business.<br><br>In any case, they don't appear to have had any particular secret knowledge or esoteric practices that you wouldn't find in any early 20th century occult group. <br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=starroute>starroute</A> at: 10/17/05 7:55 pm<br></i>
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