Nazi hunters close in on El Banderillo

by **Qutb** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 2:00 pm

<a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1827007,00.html" target="top">London Times</a> Nazi hunters close in at last on the torturer they call El Banderillo By Ben Macintyre After a 50-year search, Spanish police believe they have a sadistic war criminal within their grasp. Now the race is on to catch him before death can overtake justice. SPANISH police have adopted an appropriately grisly nickname for Aribert Heim, the 91-year-old former concentration camp doctor who has evaded capture for more than half a century. They call him “El Banderillo”, after the bullfighter whose task is to stick long, coloured spears into the back of the dying bull. In Mauthausen camp, Heim injected Jewish prisoners with poisons and watched them die. He is the most wanted Nazi known to be alive. Over the years he has been reported to be living in Germany, Argentina, Denmark and, most credibly, in Spain, where he is thought to have vanished into the large population of elderly European expatriates. But in the past few days Spanish police have narrowed the search to the town of Palafrugell on the Costa Brava. The sadistic El Banderillo, the police and Nazi-hunters say, may finally have been cornered. (...) He was born in Radkerburg, in southeast Austria, in June 1914, and was an early and enthusiastic recruit to Hitler’s Waffen SS. Although he never completed his medical studies at Vienna University, Heim became a doctor at concentration camps in Sachsenhausen, Buchenwald and Mauthausen, where he conducted “experiments” on Jewish prisoners that amounted to sustained torture. Heim’s cruelty was imaginative, unrestrained and murderous: patients were operated on without anaesthetic to see how much pain they could endure, others were injected with lethal drugs or petrol, their deaths timed with a stopwatch by the implacable doctor. Hundreds died in indescribable pain in a campaign of sadism second only to that of Josef Mengele, the Auschwitz “Angel of Death”. Efraim Zuroff, Wiesenthal’s successor, said: “Heim is a symbol of the perversion of medicine.” At the end of the war, Heim was working as a battalion doctor. After being held briefly by US forces, he was released without charge. In 1949 he married another doctor, raised a family and settled in the spa town of Bad Neuheim, where he started a practice specialising in women’s ailments. If anyone suspected that the tall, scarred doctor and star of the local ice-hockey team had a dreadful past, no one cared to ask. In the 1950s, however, as the fog of deliberate forgetting started to clear and witnesses came forward, investigators began to take a closer interest. State prosecutors in Germany were on the point of issuing an arrest warrant for Heim in 1962 when he vanished — tipped off, it seems, by Odessa, the shadowy organisation of Nazi sympathisers and former SS officers believed to provide fugitives with money and new identities. There has been no confirmed sighting of Heim since. His wife divorced him in 1967, insisting that she had been entirely ignorant of his past. His family claimed that he had died in South America. Yet a steady trickle of clues showed that Heim was alive, and thriving. As recently as 2001, a German lawyer applied for a capital gains tax rebate on Heim’s behalf, because he was living abroad. The lawyer, citing client confidentiality, has refused to divulge his whereabouts. (...) The breakthrough came when police started to follow the money. According to Der Spiegel, German police uncovered a savings account in Heim’s name in Berlin, where he was reported to own an apartment building. It was also discovered that regular money orders were being transferred to Spain, with more than 100 such payments between 2000 and 2003. (...) El Mundo reported this week that German police had traced a transfer of €300,000 from a German account to an Italian painter and his French wife living in Palafrugell. Police are also said to have established a Heim link in Denmark, where one of his sons installed a telephone line. The possible connection with the couple emerged when police spotted that a parking fine in Copenhagen had been incurred at the same time as a series of bank transfers in the name of Heim, according to El Mundo. (...) Heim may already have fled, according to investigators, possibly by yacht to Marbella on the Costa del Sol, once home to SS colonels Wolfgang Juggler and Otto Bremer. Police are confident, however, that he cannot evade capture for long. A source close to the investigation said: “He’s old, he’s moving about, and he’s going to need money — that makes him much easier to trace than one old man in an old folk’s home.” (...) The only Nazi of comparably monstrous status who may still be at large is Alois Brunner, the right-hand man of Adolf Eichmann, the architect of Hitler’s “final solution”. Brunner was thought to be living in Damascus under Syrian protection but investigators say that they have no firm evidence that he is still alive. For the Wiesenthal Centre and other Nazi-hunters, the capture of Heim would be a huge symbolic breakthrough. Wiesenthal was working on the Heim case when he died on September 20 and, just as time ran out for the Nazi-hunter, so the centre that carries his name is operating with renewed urgency. Heim is the most wanted individual in a campaign entitled Operation Last Chance. <img src="http://images.thetimes.co.uk/TGD/picture/0,,236222,00.jpg" style="border:0;"/> "A symbol of the perversion of medicine" Isn't this in your neck of the woods, Antiaristo? Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.

by **robertdreed** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 7:35 pm

A memorable quote by Alois Brunner: "The Jews, with their Christian and Islamic branches, are the crowning achievement of the Devil." That's from the book The Nazi Hunters.

by **slimmouse** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 7:40 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>"The Jews, with their Christian and Islamic branches, are the crowning achievement of the Devil."<hr></blockquote> Was he a Catholic ? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"> Or a mormon, or a JW, or a Sunni, or a Shia, or a Druze, or an orthodox Greek, or a , or a , or a ........ Overall however....... especially were he to include the additions, along with a squillion other factions, aint that the Goddamn truth ?

by **Qutb** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 9:47 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>aint that the Goddamn truth ?<hr></blockquote> Yes, <a href="http://www.deathcamps.info/Nazis/page_9.htm" target="top">Alois Brunner</a> is just telling it like it is, isn't he. He's like totally against the Zionist agenda and everything. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>After WW2 Alois Brunner found gainful employment courtesy of the CIA and later he escaped to Syria where he became a government adviser. To this day Alois Brunner has successfully evaded capture. He is believed to live in Damascus using the name of his cousin Georg Fischer. German journalists visiting Syria in 1999 said Brunner was living at the Meridian Hotel in Damascus under police protection. He is easily identifiable, having lost an eye and several fingers from letter bombs sent him years ago by French and Israeli security agents. Brunner was interviewed about 15 years ago in the Austrian news magazine Bunte. He said he did not suffer from a bad conscience for, in his own words, "getting rid of that garbage." His one regret was that he hadn't murdered more Jews. In 1987 in a telephone interview Alois Brunner told the Chicago Sun Times: The Jews deserved to die. I have no regrets. If I had the chance I would do it again ..<hr></blockquote> <img src="http://www.deathcamps.info/Nazis/images/8.jpg" style="border:0;"/> Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.

by **antiaristo** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 10:10 am

Qutb, Sorry, I've only just seen this. I haven't heard anything, but then I'm spending time on the English-speaking press. And there's been nothing on the tube I've seen. As a general comment I think there was so much pain from 40 years of Franco's dictatorship that the Spanish just want to put it all behind them. Zapatero's own grandfather was put up against the wall and shot. A couple of months ago Zapatero's govenment took the opportunity to remove a statue of Franco on horseback. The right-wing nutters went crazy ("not even felipe Gonzales did this!") and then it was forgotten.

by **Dreams End** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 12:45 pm

rdr quoted Brunner: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>"The Jews, with their Christian and Islamic branches, are the crowning achievement of the Devil."<hr></blockquote> slimmouse responds: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> "ain't that the Goddamn truth"<hr></blockquote> Any questions? ] Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dreamsend@rigorousintuition>Dreams End</A> at: 10/16/05 10:45 am

by **proldic** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 1:12 pm

and I'm aware there's some major 'gatekeeping' going on at DU. But I'm wondering, what is the purpose of this board? Does actually getting to the truth matter, or just debating on the current level. Or am I just impatient? Doesn't it seem that the entirety of the differing takes could really lead somewhere. I could name them. And, no, they're not all "friends of Israel" or "enemies of capitalism". By no means am I saying should it be only about politics, or that it would be made up of proldic's little intuitives. I mean at any time there are important threads that could really lead to or pretty close to the "truth", but has anyone decided that getting to the truth is the mission? Can this be explained by the predominance of varying levels of Euro-US collegiate brainwashing-education even among the [genuine] truth-seekers? Does my bias overstate its effect on the board, the effect of imposing certain intellectual parameters, sort of like some giant quasi-postmodernist philosophically de-activating or short-circuiting conspiracy? I'm just saying, is there a way to progress forward without valuation?

by **Dreams End** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 1:29 pm

I don't think this board in and of itself can do much of what you are looking for. I think a better vehicle, strictly from a bulletin board standpoint, is one that divides into subtopics, SOME of which are heavily moderated (primarily to stay on topic.) Here's one I found. I am in no way endorsing this site. I haven't explored it yet. What was of interest to me was all their information about how they are set up and moderated (many of the posters are volunteer moderators.) Some of their policies stem from recent attacks by vicious posters that were so severe they had to stop taking new members for awhile. <a href="http://www.barbelith.com/faq/index.php/Main_Page">www.barbelith.com/faq/ind.../Main_Page</a> As I mentioned, I don' t know anything about the site as of yet but explore the posting ettiquette and other entries about their moderation policies and how they are involving and why. On this site, we have one place for all posts until AFTER they are done. Anything more would require way too much moderation. As such, it's hard to keep threads on topic and to chuck out troublemakers and knuckleheads. A board with topics can be severe about chucking out posters from heavily moderated topics who simply arent' contributing to the discussion but without having to ban them or anything. More severe penalties await for those with more serious problems (they actually ban entire ISP's...so NO ONE who uses that service can get in. Of course, there is a back door for those who are trusted.) As for the site itself...they may toss you on your ear if you so much as murmur LIHOP, I have no idea. But it's the structure of the thing that intrigued me. I don't think the structure of this site lends itself to serious discussion that can serve the function you would wish for it...but lots of good info turns up here. In general, I think sites on this subject matter just attract fascists. I guess that's the short answer. Certain topics just get disrupted.

by **slimmouse** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 2:15 pm

Here let me rephrase that. I can see how this post might be misconstrued. Heres what I meant to say. The christians, with their Jewish and Islamic branches are the crowning achievment of the devil. Hell, lets not be unfair or prejudiced to any group here. I also firmly meant this too; The Islamics with their Christian and Jewish branches are the crowning achievment of the devil. I really hope thats better, cos I sure as hell mean it. I then go on to say; Was this man a catholic ? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"> However, along with the Catholic (and numerous other fabricated factionalised religious dross), aint that the goddamn truth ? - hence immediately offering some perspective on my point. I sincerely hope that clears up any misunderstanding. I would hate for my thoughts as well as my quote to be also taken completely out of context

by **banned** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 2:57 pm

...and it's too bad Wiesenthal didn't live to see it. What ticks me off is when people say "Oh, he's old now" (like with Pinochet." When someone is guilty of heinous crimes against humanity, in my view it shouldn't matter if they're old. They should be taken into custody and put on trial even if the trial has to be conducted in their hospital room. And if the evidence is sufficiently powerful, they should be condemned and executed. It's more complicated of course if they now suffer from dementia, or are comatose, not because it alters their responsibility for what they did but because it's a time honored principle of law (everywhere except third world tyrannies and the US of A that is) that in order to be tried a person has to be competent to understand the charges and participate in their defense. Dementia however CAN be feigned so any allegations of it should be subjected to microscopic investigation. And if they are in fact not competent to stand trial they should be confined in a hospital for the criminally insane for the rest of their lives--forget the posh villas in Vina del Mar or Marbella. Practically speaking, even after someone is apprehended it can be a long road until they are finally convicted and sentenced, and defendants in their 90s don't have many more miles left on their road. As I've mentioned I'm from Cleveland and well remember the LONG John/Ivan/Iwan Demianjuk saga, in fact I used to have to deliver stuff frequently from the lawyers I worked for to Frank Battisti, the federal court judge involved in the case, during that era. DOJ tried to revoke Demianjuk's citizenship in '77, Battisti found Demianjuk had lied on his application for citizenship in '81, Israel applied for his extradition in '83, he was deported in '86, sentenced to death by hanging in '88, released by the Israeli Supreme Court in '93, then found by the US Appeals Court to have been the victim of 'prosecutorial misconduct' also in '93, had his citizenship restored in '98, the DOJ filed an amended complaint in '99, he was tried again in 2001-2, and stripped of his citizenship in 2004. He appealed and lost his last appeal in early 2005. The Immigration judge ruled in June 2005 he could be deported, and the hearing set for June 30, 2005. I have not been able to find out the result of that hearing. By that time he was 84 years old and the case had gone on for over 2 1/2 DECADES. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("> FYI, Wiesenthal favored releasing Demianjuk because there was insufficient evidence on the charge of his being a concentration camp guard known as "Ivan the Terrible" at Treblinka, and the amended complaint cited his service as a guard at other camps and his failure to disclose this when he emigrated to the US in the 1950s.

by **michael meiring** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 6:03 pm

One is left to ponder why granfather bush was never hunted down, or the hundreds, (300 i believe top nazi scientists) whisked at top secret to work on all sorts of american government projects. surely lack of funds or not enough evidence couldant be wiaved or trumpeted as an excuse. Still a very old man with all those resources of the hunters after him, im sure its only a matter of hours till he is hunted down. If only the same drive and application was put to use to hunt down those agent provacateurs eh? or even the numerous other holocausts perpetrated by western governments. crimes equally murderous, and lots more victims which seem suprisingly not to get the press attention they deserve.

Nazi hunters close in on El Banderillo

Nazi hunters close in on El Banderillo

Alois Brunner

Re: Alois Brunner

Re: Alois Brunner

Re: Nazi hunters close in on El Banderillo

Re: Nazi hunters close in on El Banderillo

I never posted significantly to a board before this one

Re: I never posted significantly to a board before this one

My profoundest apologies.

Here's hoping they get the bugger...

lack of funds.

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