Richard Heinberg Openly Supports White Separatist

by **thumperton** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:28 am

still don't

by **banned** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:42 am

I guess I'll have to go look amongst the other 5,999,999,999 assorted multiculti multicolored folks on the planet for a new friend. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)">

by **robertdreed** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:50 am

You've made mention that you hold libertarian views, and that you favor individual free choice over Statism. How do you think the State is cramping your style? Are you obligated to wash a Mercedes belonging to a Jamaican once a week? Does the State force you to listen to rai music on your headphones for 2 hours every day? Have they assigned you a Pakistani girl to mate with? Are you being forbidden to speak your native tongue? Have you been evicted so that your apartment can be handed over to a Guyanese family? The American libertarians I know seek out as little contact with the government as possible. What, if anything, do you think political power can accomplish for you? What, if anything, do you want the government do for you?

by **thumperton** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:47 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>The American libertarians I know seek out as little contact with the government as possible. What, if anything, do you think political power can accomplish for you? What, if anything, do you want the government do for you?<hr></blockquote>I don't want the government to do anything for me. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thumperton@rigorousintuition>thumperton</A> at: 10/30/05 11:48 pm

by **robertdreed** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:55 am

Be honest, man...you want them to make sure to keep the lights and power on, the plumbing working, the drinking water potable, the roads driveable, to make sure the restaurants and markets don't serve you spoiled food...to name only some of the routine services performed directly on your behalf by government agency. But if, as you're saying, you don't want them to do anything for you, what are they doing for you now that you don't want? Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 10/30/05 11:56 pm

by **israelirealities** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:57 am

If you are driving a car, or taking the "tube" and using elcetricity for the internet, you are already enjoying the privilege of your whiteness, and taking a lot of "lebens" from non whites who really didn't want the whites coming over to their oil wells and all other raw materials, and getting them stolen for the promise of "development" which only gives more jobs to whites. your government (UK?) is now pumping oil for you, in a very non white area that really would like to be left alone... You can't start from scratch, or "turn a new page" when you feel like it. Thus, white separatism is fine as long as really, you go out to the wildeness and pick berries, and don't even go to a hospital when you have hernia from carrying sticks for the bonfire, cause then you'll already be indebted to some non whites' lebens that died for the R&D of the medicines you take there. You have a romantic streak, it reminds me of Hitler, whom I recently heard was actually a nice guy who fell into bad company.

by **veritas** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:16 am

Hello Wintler. Here is an article by Heinberg you will enjoy. Maybe you won't understand why it's important. Others will. Yes they will. <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Back to Paradise By RICHARD HEINBERG (linked from his page here: <a href="http://www.museletter.com/archive.html)">www.museletter.com/archive.html)</a> ----------------snip for brevity--------------------- THE SITE OF PARADISE Some paradise myths seem to describe a specific place, a lost homeland. Many legends speak of a sunken island or a great world mountain as the original paradisal home of humankind. In Memories and Visions of Paradise, I mentioned the Tibetan legend of lost Shambhala — “a mystical kingdom hidden behind snowy peaks somewhere to the north” where “a line of enlightened kings is guarding the innermost teachings of Buddhism for a time when all truth in the outside world is lost in war and greed. Then, according to the prophecy, the King of Shambhala will emerge with a great army to destroy the forces of evil and bring in a new Golden Age.” Tibetan and Western scholars have looked everywhere for Shambhala — from the Gobi Desert to the North Pole. Three recent books offer relevant new information and insight. In Dawn Behind the Dawn: A Search for the Earthly Paradise (Holt, 1992), cultural historian Geoffrey Ashe theorises that the idea of a lost paradise began with a goddess-worshipping cult in the region of the Altai-Baikal region of northern Asia some 25,000 years ago. The book is erudite and impressively researched, touching on subjects ranging from Near Eastern mythology to Indo-European philology to modern feminism. Ashe summarises his reconstruction as follows: “Tens of thousands of years ago, shamans in Siberia and Mongolia held the seven-star constellation [Ursa Major] in reverence. It was all the more important because the pole, which it ruled, was not marked then by a separate polestar of conspicuous brightness. ...The chief deity was a powerful Earth Mother and Mistress of Animals, with whom female shamans were closely associated. Her cult and symbolism, passing from tribe to tribe, played a part in forming the Paleolithic Goddess substratum across Siberia and Europe. Her chief animal form was a bear.... “The constellation built up a unique numinosity, partly because of its relation to the pole and hence to shamans’ ideas of comic centrality, expressed in the image of a central tree or world-mountain, which they climbed in their trances to meet superior spirits. In the Altai region, actual gold that gave the range a name, and an actual mountain cult, helped to evoke the divine world-mountain as golden.... “Late in the fourth millennium B.C., around the Altai, Indo-European groupings such as the Afanasievo came under shamanic influence and acquired a mythical ‘package’ comprising some of the ancient themes, which in the hands of these new people took on a rekindled life and energy. The package included the golden world-mountain... this eventually evolved into golden Meru, central to the universe, a paradisal abode of gods. It also included the seven stars... and something of the connected [mystique surrounding the number seven]. The mythical package was carried south and southwest in Indo-European expansion.” Ashe cites the Tibetan Shambhala legend as referring to the original Altaic homeland. Victoria Le Page’s Shambhala: The Fascinating Truth Behind the Myth of Shangri-La (Quest, 1996) is an esotericist’s view of the same materials. Le Page has read Ashe carefully — as well as earlier scholars on the subject, such as René Guénon and Nicholas Roerich. Guénon interprets the paradise mountain — Mount Meru in Buddhist lore — as not a mountain at all, but “a metaphor for a conduit of terrestrial energy constituting the earth’s primary power source whose nature, location, and function is presently unknown to us. [Guénon] suggests that the knowledge of this fact belongs to a most arcane and little-known branch of the tantric science that is concerned with cosmic Shakti and the building of worlds, and which for that reason has been jealously guarded from the public view for many thousands of years.” Le Page follows occultist Nicholas Roerich in his quest to find the true geographical Shambhala — in the Altai mountains. But she has more than a historical interest in decoding the myth. For her, Shambhala — the realm of jewel lakes, wish-fulfilling trees, and speaking stones — is central to the “new world model,” the ideology of the New Age. “Shambhala has had many locations, many names, many forms; over the ages it has been known as a taboo region of Paleolithic magic, a vast Megalithic sanctuary, a sacred kingdom, and underground Wisdom center, a modern complex of ashrams and training-schools.... Its credibility has probably never been so severely tested as in this age of high technology, dense population and intensive exploration; and yet in another sense we have never been more open to transcendental ideas, to the possibility of dimensions unseen, of higher-order beings and energies and presences celestial, of guidance from above.” ---------------------snip for brevity------------------- Rest is here: <a href="http://www.newdawnmagazine.com.au/Articles/Back%20to%20Paradise.html">www.newdawnmagazine.com.a...adise.html</a> <hr></blockquote> wintler? Do you understand what Shambala is about? Do you understand the myth of a lost "Golden Age" of Indo Europeans? No? Maybe this will help. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>A coterie of fascist cultural scholars sprang up asserting that Buddhism, the Vedas, the Puranas, the Upanishads, the Bhagavad Gita, yoga and even Tantrism were intellectual remnants of a vanished, global, indo-Aryan, anti-Semitic religion. There were also borrowings from Tibetan culture and especially from Japanese Zen and Samurai traditions --------------snip---------------- The inventors of the “Nazi mysteries”, French occultists Jacques Bergier and Louis Pauwels, and the Englishman Trevor Ravenscroft. All three authors saw National Socialism inextricably linked to the Indo-Tibetan Shambhala myth. ---------------------------snip------------------- SS-Ahnenerbe researchers were especially interested in the Kalachakra Tantra. The Shambala vision recorded in the Kalachakra Tantra has become a central pillar in the mythology of religious neo-Nazism. Many of the themes raised in the Kalachakra Tantra (a cyclical view of the world, global domination, the use of super weapons, magic and ritual in sexual practices etc) are key themes in religious fascism. <a href="http://www.trimondi.de/H-B-K/inhalt.hi.en.htm">www.trimondi.de/H-B-K/inhalt.hi.en.htm</a> <hr></blockquote>. or this maybe will help: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Shambhala, Agartha, and “The Hole at The Pole”. That there was some further mystery related to the Boreal region, is indicated in the myth of Shambhala, which is supposed to have emanated from the early lamas of Tibet. It is thought to have been an ancient realm once located somewhere in Asia - possibly in the Gobi - when what is now an arid desert was still the Gobi Sea. It was thought to have been an island realm, called the “Sacred Island” which, in many respects, seems to have been strangely similar to Thule or Hyperborea. The mystery deepens when we learn that its inhabitants were the last survivors of the “White Island” which had perished long ages earlier! According to Madame Blavatsky, the inhabitants were descended from her Lemurians, but, since this information was alleged to be from a Theosophist, spiritual origin, we might be wiser in concluding that they were more likely to have been from Hyperboria-Thule! Shambhala. From some of the accounts available, Shambhala appears to have been a centre of spiritual enlightenment, very reminiscent of James Hilton’s “Shangri-La”, but others say that it was a centre of occult power and arcane teaching. Its leader was thought variously to be either an evil, tyrannical Sorcerer-King or a God-like “Lord of The World”. We seem to be left with a choice as to which story we prefer to follow, and evidently which Path one desires to follow, too. The evil Left, or the good Right! Apparently there were two factions (as in Hyperborea), one of which followed the Golden Sun, and the other the Black Sun. (The “Black Sun”, incidentally, was as prominent an emblem of the Nazi mythos as was the Swastika!) According to Jean-Claude Frére, author of “Nazisme et Sociétiés Secretès”, the people of Hyperborea, after migrating to the Gobi Desert over 6000 years ago, founded a new centre, which they named Agartha. It became a great centre of world learning, and people flocked there from all over the world to enjoy its culture and civilization. However, a huge catastrophe supervened, and the earth’s surface was devastated, but the realm of Agartha somehow survived, under the earth. The legend continues to relate that, as with the original Hyperboreans, the Aryans now split into two factions: one group heading north-west, hoping to return to their lost Hyperborea, and the second going south, where they founded a new secret centre under the Himalayas. Jean-Claude Frére concludes: The sons of the Outer Intellegences split into two groups, one following the “Right Hand Path” under the “Wheel of The Golden Sun”, the other the “Left Hand Path” under the “Wheel of the Black Sun”. The first preserved the centre of Agartha, that undefined place of contemplation, of the Good, and of the Vril force. The second supposedly created a new place of initiation at Shambhala, the city of violence in command of the elements and human masses, hastening the arrival of the “charnel-house of time.” <a href="http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:sGNULUq5TNUJ:seekers.100megs6.com/Mu%2520to%2520Thule.doc+nazi+shambala&hl=en&client=firefox">64.233.167.104/search?q=c...nt=firefox</a> <hr></blockquote>

by **thumperton** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:40 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>If you are driving a car, or taking the "tube" and using elcetricity for the internet, you are already enjoying the privilege of your whiteness, and taking a lot of "lebens" from non whites who really didn't want the whites coming over to their oil wells and all other raw materials, and getting them stolen for the promise of "development" which only gives more jobs to whites. your government (UK?) is now pumping oil for you, in a very non white area that really would like to be left alone... You can't start from scratch, or "turn a new page" when you feel like it. Thus, white separatism is fine as long as really, you go out to the wildeness and pick berries, and don't even go to a hospital when you have hernia from carrying sticks for the bonfire, cause then you'll already be indebted to some non whites' lebens that died for the R&D of the medicines you take there. You have a romantic streak, it reminds me of Hitler, whom I recently heard was actually a nice guy who fell into bad company.<hr></blockquote>404 logic not found

by **thumperton** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:42 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Be honest, man...you want them to make sure to keep the lights and power on, the plumbing working, the drinking water potable, the roads driveable, to make sure the restaurants and markets don't serve you spoiled food...to name only some of the routine services performed directly on your behalf by government agency. But if, as you're saying, you don't want them to do anything for you, what are they doing for you now that you don't want?<hr></blockquote>The freemarket can take care of that <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> And private roads have been installed in Toronto for a while now, and they are quite inexpensive being less than one Canadian dollar per usage, and toll taking is done through barcode scanner as one drives by. As for the things they are doing I don't like is subsidizing public education, which I consider brainwashing, and open immigration which is destroying society. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thumperton@rigorousintuition>thumperton</A> at: 10/31/05 12:45 am

by **robertdreed** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:26 am

thumperton, you're running a platitude loop on yourself, if you think that "the free market can take care of everything." There is no "free market." A free market is somewhere that you get a free lunch, and such places only exist on selected holidays. The rest of the time, expect to pay cash. That's how sufficient surplus accumulates to allow holidays. The market is real, but markets aren't really structures, any more than electricity is a radio. "Open immigration"...you mean free and unrestricted immigration? Where do you live? what nation on earth has that? You're telling me that you don't want the government to fix the roads, run water treatment plants, regulate power generation, or inspect food- you'd much rather it spend your tax dollars on building walls, garrisons of border guards, cameras, helicopters, and pursuit squads on your borders, plus an internal surveillance society/police state in order to make sure that you never have to meet any foreigners? This is what "freedom" is to you? Exactly how? And how long are your borders?

by **thumperton** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:35 am

umm. When I said the freemarket would take of it, I thought it was quite obvious that instead of paying taxes, I would prefer user fees instead, or insurance. As for open immigration, are you blind??? It's not an accident that the UK has the strange distinction of being a major player executing the 'War against terrorism' and yet it's capitol city is colluiqally (sp?) known as 'Londonistan'. It's all a protection racket of course. The same is true with the Southern United States. Here's the libertarian common sense approach to controlling immigration: /////////////////// The current system of mass immigration allows for the trampling of private property by means of forced integration, and the harm done is immense. As it stands, property owners are limited by law from excluding individuals from their place of employment due to affirmative-action and discrimination laws, and from their neighborhoods by civil-rights legislation. Immigration in that sense is forced integration, and according to Hoppe, when that is the case: The result of this policy of non-discrimination is forced integration: The forcing of masses of inferior immigrants onto domestic property owners who, if the decision were left to them, would have sharply discriminated and chosen very different neighbors for themselves. [...] <a href="http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26246">www.wnd.com/news/article....E_ID=26246</a> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thumperton@rigorousintuition>thumperton</A> at: 10/31/05 1:35 am

by **thumperton** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:39 am

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by **israelirealities** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:27 am

you think if the borders were opened yet some racists like you didn't rent out flat, then no "dark people" would enter the UK ? plus, the racists are usually those who are first to bring in the slaves, the hired cheap work, and those who go half the globe to enslave little yellow people to manufacture their goods. I think your dollars would be better spent convincing your PM to pull our of Iraq now, that seems to be impossible, even after the scams of your government re Iraq WMD included murder of scientists and former ministers. Londonistan, seems to me much better than Londauschwitz, which is what are driving at. What bad had the Moslem immigrants done to you ?

by **thumperton** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:36 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>you think if the borders were opened yet some racists like you didn't rent out flat, then no "dark people" would enter the UK ? plus, the racists are usually those who are first to bring in the slaves, the hired cheap work, and those who go half the globe to enslave little yellow people to manufacture their goods. I think your dollars would be better spent convincing your PM to pull our of Iraq now, that seems to be impossible, even after the scams of your government re Iraq WMD included murder of scientists and former ministers. Londonistan, seems to me much better than Londauschwitz, which is what are driving at. What bad had the Moslem immigrants done to you ?<hr></blockquote> what people do with their own private property is their own business. what people do with their lives is their own business. I just want the same courtesy. the rest of this clusterfuck of a rant about globalism has no link whatsoever to what i've been trying to say for the last few hours.

by **jenz** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:50 am

I visit London pretty frequently. in case anyone who doesn't know it well has the impression that the capital is over-run with recent immigrants from one part of the world, that is a distortion. where I usually stay, I can walk in about 10 minutes to a plate glass and steel financial district, all cafe latte, and business suits, or in another direction to an area with one of the largest mosques, and a vibrant street market. but if I get the bus either way, liklihood is that there will be at least a dozen different languages being spoken around me, european, african, asian, (far east included), and just as many again english acents. when I go visit a friend in another quarter, I am passing many long term residents of Jewish faith, as well as whole bunch of other people . About 20 years ago I lived quite near Oldham, and at that time, although the primary wave of immigration of textile workers from the bangladeshi region had been established for 25 years or so, and their children and grandchildren were going through schooling, there was virtually no overt racism which I came across. This was the case despite pretty high unemployment across the board at that time. kids played together, joked with one another, mum's swapped recipes.

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