Fuck Ron Paul

[chlamor]

[Jeff]

Hutton Gibson endorsement

Among Hutton's other endorsements (from The New York Times, 2003):

Hutton has long been a Holocaust-denier and openly associates with some of America’s leading anti-semites and Nazi apologists. In an interview earlier this year with The New York Times Magazine, he disputed historical accounts that 6m Jews were exterminated in Nazi death camps. “Go and ask an undertaker or the guy who operates the crematorium what it takes to get rid of a dead body,” he said to the paper. “It takes one litre of petrol and 20 minutes. Now, six million?” He also insisted there were more Jews in Europe at the end of the war than before.

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At the end of June, despite the continuing controversy over his views and possible anti-semitism in his son’s film, Hutton was a featured speaker at the annual conference of The Barnes Review, the leading anti-semitic, Nazi-apologist think-tank in the USA. It is run by Willis Carto, one of the co-founders of The Institute for Historical Review, a Holocaust-denial group based in California. The Barnes Review raises money by selling anti-semitic and Nazi propaganda on its website, including laudatory books on Hitler, Hess and other Nazi leaders, and a video called Epic: The Story of the Waffen SS. Joining Hutton Gibson as speakers at the conference were Dr Frederick Toben, an Australian who spent several months in jail in Germany for “hate speech”, and Russ Granata, a notorious Holocaust-denier.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

People are so desperate for anyone who will promote the Constitution outloud in public that they will fall for this line as if it were 'All Natural!' or 'One Calorie!'

I just met some peace and justice anti-war anti-mind control folks who are seriously campaigning for Ron Paul. I dissuaded them by pointing out that it was impossible for him to be installed since he's saying things anathema to the oilagarchy.

I also pointed out that he represents things anathema to peace and justice, too.

But RPaul will serve to further fragment the un-GOP since the GOP needs all the help it can get to not dry up and blow away in 2008. So the CIA/Pentagon/CFR-friendly GOP is getting all the help it needs from the CIA media which whip up the agit-prop to divide Dems/other and solidify the Repubs.

[populistindependent]

A friend of mine from France who visited recently made the observation that property-less and powerless people here are fanatically supporting and defending the agenda of the wealthy and powerful.

He was away from the states for 20 years and was stunned by the changes. He said, Americans are dirt poor and getting more poor every day, to the point where almost everyone is suffering and struggling. Oh, they have gadgets, they have a credit-financed illusion of prosperity, and think they are "free," but looking from the outside it is so clearly a pathetic and hollow illusion. Yet they strut and posture and boast - "we're number one" - and act as though they were wealthy, or about to become so. Has there ever been such a mass delusion in history? Dirt poor people by the millions defending and apologizing for the super rich - it boggles the mind.

But in the modern shared illusion of American it is considered shameful to admit that you are poor and powerless. It is humiliating to admit that you have been duped. Nobody wants to be a “looser” - notice that many people can’t even spell the word “loser” anymore. This sets up a conflict. People are hurting, people are powerless, people are enslaved, but there is no way to admit that without running the risk of being seen as a “looser.” So “supporting” Paul and libertarianism, chasing down various theories as an explanation for all of the problems, along the lines of the “stabbed in the back” Weimar Republic fantasy, and the time-honored escapism of scapegoating various people - immigrants are popular for that right now, - resolves that conflict for people.

Searching around for fantasy over-lords and imagining their dark and secret activities is much safer than actually confronting the people who do rule over every aspect of our lives. To do that would require putting oneself at risk and actually doing something to resist the people in power rather than merely being a rebel in one's own mind.

[slow_dazzle]

Searching around for fantasy over-lords and imagining their dark and secret activities is much safer than actually confronting the people who do rule over every aspect of our lives

Ding ding ding!

Project your fears onto something external and you don't have to look in the mirror.

I would dearly love it if all of us who post here could meet up and have the biggest party ever. The conversations would range from the sublime to the ridiculous and they would be none the worse for that either.

[Jeff]

Has there ever been such a mass delusion in history? Dirt poor people by the millions defending and apologizing for the super rich - it boggles the mind.

It's not just an American phenomenon. That seems a signature of right wing populism everywhere.

In Canada the Conservative government just announced tens of billions of dollars in ungraduated tax cuts, most of which could have been better used reinvesting in social infrastructure. But giving back a few bucks is a popular move, and among people who will wonder where their health care went.

[FourthBase]

A friend of mine from France who visited recently made the observation that property-less and powerless people here are fanatically supporting and defending the agenda of the wealthy and powerful.

He was away from the states for 20 years and was stunned by the changes. He said, Americans are dirt poor and getting more poor every day, to the point where almost everyone is suffering and struggling. Oh, they have gadgets, they have a credit-financed illusion of prosperity, and think they are "free," but looking from the outside it is so clearly a pathetic and hollow illusion. Yet they strut and posture and boast - "we're number one" - and act as though they were wealthy, or about to become so. Has there ever been such a mass delusion in history? Dirt poor people by the millions defending and apologizing for the super rich - it boggles the mind.

But in the modern shared illusion of American it is considered shameful to admit that you are poor and powerless. It is humiliating to admit that you have been duped. Nobody wants to be a “looser” - notice that many people can’t even spell the word “loser” anymore. This sets up a conflict. People are hurting, people are powerless, people are enslaved, but there is no way to admit that without running the risk of being seen as a “looser.” So “supporting” Paul and libertarianism, chasing down various theories as an explanation for all of the problems, along the lines of the “stabbed in the back” Weimar Republic fantasy, and the time-honored escapism of scapegoating various people - immigrants are popular for that right now, - resolves that conflict for people.

Great stuff.

Searching around for fantasy over-lords and imagining their dark and secret activities is much safer than actually confronting the people who do rule over every aspect of our lives. To do that would require putting oneself at risk and actually doing something to resist the people in power rather than merely being a rebel in one's own mind.

Eh. If this is meant to apply to people like us, then I call bullshit. "Searching around" and "imagining" can by itself put oneself at risk if you're barking up the right tree. Barking can be as potent as biting.

[populistindependent]

If this is meant to apply to people like us...

No, I don't think in terms of people as being in groups that way. It is meant to apply to ideas, not to people; to what people think, say and do, not to what they "are." The trap I am describing is one that we are all prone to falling into.

I see all of us as potentially and ultimately "on my team" and any of us as capable of making serious errors in our thinking. No good guys and bad guys, no hair-splitting litmus tests to determine who is and who isn't loyal to the team or believing or not believing in the "right" things.

[Jeff]

Yo, Two Ronnies



Try this on for size:

[elfismiles]

GREAT video at the link below...

Jon Stewart on Ron Paul: Where's the Love?
By John Sellers at TheWrap
Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:19am EDT

On Monday's edition of "The Daily Show," Jon Stewart asked the question Ron Paul supporters have been asking for years: Where's the love?

Stewart showed clips of various cable pundits stating that a "top tier" of Republican presidential candidates -- Michele Bachmann, Mitt Romney and Rick Perry -- has emerged after Saturday's Ames Straw Poll, despite Paul's impressive showing.

The Libertarian congressman, who is considered the "intellectual godfather" of the Tea Party, came in second in the Iowa poll, finishing fewer than 200 votes behind Bachmann and more than 1,500 votes ahead of Tim Pawlenty, who withdrew his candidacy after the disappointing third-place result. Paul's 27.7 percent dwarfed that of Rick Perry (4.3 percent) and Romney (3.4 percent) -- although, to be fair, neither the Texas governor nor the former Massachusetts governor campaigned much.

Still, Stewart wondered Monday, why was no one talking about Ron Paul after his impressive showing in the straw poll?

"Rick Santorum?" he queried, after watching Fox News' Chris Wallace giving kudos to how well the former Pennsylvania senator performed in Iowa. "He didn't get half of what Ron Paul got. He lost to the guy who lost so bad he dropped out of the race. Santorum?"

He also joked about one pundit's positive appraisal of Jon Huntsman, the Mormon candidate who received 69 votes in the straw poll, a paltry figure next to Paul's 4,671.

"If all of Jon Huntsman's supporters met at the same Ames, Iowa, Quizno's, the fire marshall would say, 'Yeah, that's fine, no problem,'" said Stewart.

He ended the bit by saying that the Republicans are treating Paul as if he's Gary Busey on "Celebrity Apprentice."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/ ... 7720110816

[norton ash]

It's hysterical how Paul is being willfully ignored by FOX and the Repub machinery. I'm sure Murdoch and the Kochs hate his guts.

[Elihu]

http://www.goldstandardinstitute.net/20 ... -mismatch/

http://www.goldstandardinstitute.net/20 ... t-problem/

[Simulist]

"The intellectual godfather of the Tea Party"?

Might as well call someone "the mother of all idiots."

[8bitagent]

Liberals hate Ron Paul, the GOP media machine pretends he doesn't exist even when he gets loud praise and wins their own polls.

Surely compared to the scary ultra fundie frontrunners he can't be that bad?

[Elihu]

Surely compared to the scary ultra fundie frontrunners he can't be that bad?

insofar as he represents a credible threat to mess with the fake money religion that keeps everything benighted and unfair going on and on and on..... he is a threat to the entire established western order...