Vogue fascist chic

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:45 am

<a href="http://community.livejournal.com/foto_decadent/1403878.html">More here.</a> <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/JeffWells/subalbum1/Vogueitaliasept2006_stateofemergenc.jpg" style="border:0;"/>

by **DBtv** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:58 am

And somehow the fashionistas at that linked blog "love the concept". Frightening psyop.

by **professorpan** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:20 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Frightening psyop.<hr></blockquote> Or clever, satirical art? I like it.

by **DBtv** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:26 am

I'm pretty sure Meisel meant satire, but I'm not sure of the actual psychological impact of these images. However taken, it's frightening these images are being fashionably mainstreamed.

by **professorpan** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:47 am

Art can be shocking. Perhaps this will get people to think about the glamorization of violence in popular culture. Maybe it will provoke discussions about the sexual torture of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo. That's the thing about art -- it doesn't necessarily have an agenda.

by **DBtv** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:52 am

The artist may not have an agenda, but his images could still have the effect of glamourizing neo-fascist terror. Look at the comments on the blog after the images. At the very least, this could have the effect of desensitizing the viewer to actual acts of neo-fascist terror.

by **blanc** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:12 am

fashion, usually dismissed as utterley frivolous, is an interesting barometer of social status of (particularly) women. eg Dior New Look (50s) compared to shoulder pads/goths - 80s

by **Avalon** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 7:25 am

There has been a Fashion Emergency makeover show on the E! cable channel for three years. The title is derivative, and thus when Vogue goes reaching for that allusion somewhat pathetic and outdated. <a href="http://www.eonline.com/On/Emergency/">www.eonline.com/On/Emergency/</a> While the "fashion police" can be rather brutal in their honestly about how what you are wearing makes you look like crap, this illustration of it is a lot creepier. Speaking of TV, anyone know if there is some new mandate for testing the television emergency broadcast system? I saw the first one I'd seen all year this week, and a friend I was talking with last night said her husband was watching some sports event on a minor cable channel and there were 4 tests of the emergency broadcast system on that station during the game.

by **IanEye** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 7:34 am

.. about my post about ISM the other day now. Thanks Jeff!

by **alice** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:33 am

I loathe this stuff. I think it is designed to make us all complicit. Imagine if a luggage manufacturer ,in the 1940's ,made suitcase ads using pics of people getting onto trains to Auschwitz? or Adverts for shoes showing piles of foot-wear after the bombings in Lebanon? or Boys clothes ads using the reputed pics of Johnny and Gosch and the other boys bound and gagged? or or .................

by **professorpan** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:13 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>The artist may not have an agenda, but his images could still have the effect of glamourizing neo-fascist terror.<hr></blockquote> Or calling attention to it. I think this set of photos is a far cry from the one-dimensional boorishness of a "Piss Christ." These photos are very well done, and, at least to me, bring up lots of interesting social themes. They're not meant to just shock, but to shine a spotlight on some dark societal trends. They raise lots of interesting questions -- and I like it when art does that, even if the imagery is unsettling.

by **juno jones** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:28 pm

Kinky...Helmut Newton (the vogue photographer who's best known work were those death photos in 'Eyes of Laura Mars') woulda loved it!!!

by **blanc** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:16 pm

it wouldn't be a bad idea if each of us were to describe their reactions to this - what they see and interpret. how different is the reaction of men and women, old and young... etc is it comment or manipulation?

by **IanEye** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:27 pm

Does anyone remember a song called "The Warrior" by Scandal in the mid 80's? I ask because if you remember the make up used on the female singer in that song you might also remember an ad campaign in Vogue from the same era where women looked like they had been beat up the night before [black eye, cut lip, etc] but now they were wearing fancy gold jewelry. The implied message was, "hey! a little too rough on your main squeeze last night? make up for it by buying her this expensive gold necklace." ah, the 80's, as Pat Benatar said, "Hit me with you best shot" no wait, she said "Hell is for children" no wait, she said "Love is a battlefield" no wait, she sa--

by **Seamus OBlimey** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:23 pm

<a href="http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-09/uol-nuo091206.php">New University of Leicester study identifies links between musical tastes and lifestyle</a> The music we listen to can tell a lot more than you might think about what kind of people we are, according to research findings by a University of Leicester psychologist. Now, Dr Adrian North is extending his research worldwide. He is looking for 10,000 people from all over the world to take part in an online survey at www.musicaltastetest.com, stating their preference from over 50 musical styles and completing a questionnaire. The survey, funded by the British Academy, will help Dr North and his team determine to what extent people's musical tastes can be predicted on the basis of basic demographic information, such as age, sex and earnings. Dr North said, "Although we know a lot about musical preference, musicaltastetest.com is the largest ever academic survey of who likes what. Nothing on this scale has ever been attempted before." Related research by Dr North about to be published in the journal Psychology of Music shows that a person's musical preference tells a great deal about their lifestyle and interests. Over 2,500 people in the UK were asked to state which musical styles they liked most, and then complete a questionnaire about their living arrangements, political and moral beliefs, travel, personal finances, education, employment, health, media preferences, and leisure time interests. When it comes to relationships, beliefs and breaking the law, fans of different musical styles gave very different responses, with fans of hip-hop and dance music standing out in particular. 37.5% of hip-hop fans and 28.7% of dance music fans had had more than one sexual partner in the past five years, (compared with, for example, 1.5% of country fans). They were also the least likely to be religious, least likely to recycle, least likely to favour the development of alternative energy sources, least likely to favour raising taxes in order to improve public services, and least likely to favour the retention of a National Health Service. In addition, they were more likely to have broken the law. 56.9% of dance music fans and 53.1% of hip hop fans admitted to having committed a criminal act (compared, for example, to just 17.9% of fans of musicals). Hip hop and dance music fans were more likely to have tried a range of illegal drugs. However, about a quarter of the classical music and opera fans admitted to having tried cannabis, and 12.3% of opera fans had tried magic mushrooms. On questions concerning money, education, employment and health, fans were separated along the lines of socio-economic status. Fans of classical music and opera had lifestyles indicative of the middle and upper classes. They had an average annual income of £35,000 before tax, whereas dance music fans earned only £23,311. Classical music and opera fans also paid a much higher proportion of their credit card bills each month than fans of dance music (75% and 49% respectively). They were also more likely to have been educated to a higher level. 6.8% of opera fans had a PhD, compared to none of the chart pop fans. When it comes to eating, fans of classical music, opera and jazz tended to spend rather more money on food and preferred to drink wine to a greater extent than fans of other musical styles. Results also showed that fans of different musical styles often had different tastes in the media. Viewers of BBC1 are more likely to be fans of rock or classical music, whereas ITV1's viewers are more likely to listen to disco and pop music. Readers of broadsheet newspapers are more likely to listen to classical and rock music, compared to readers of the tabloids, who prefer dance music, pop and music from the sixties. Dr North added: "Surprisingly, there have been very few studies on how people's age, sex, socioeconomic status, and personality relate to the music they enjoy listening to. Moreover, this limited amount of research has focussed almost exclusively on North America. This is despite the fact that music is enjoyed by people all around the world and, in addition, there are numerous stereotypes about the types of people who listen to certain musical styles that may or may not be true (e.g. goths are depressed, classical music fans are upper-class, jazz fans are like the presenter of The Fast Show's 'Jazz Club' etc.). "Musicaltastetest.com aims to recruit over 10,000 people to paint the first worldwide picture of who likes what." ### Note to editors: Further information on Dr Adrian North and his research, including a photo of him, a screen capture of www.musicaltastetest.com, and full details of the findings, is available at http://www.le.ac.uk/pc/acn5/acn.html. Dr North can be contacted on tel. +44 (0)116 229 7183 / +44 (0)7811 121950, email acn5@le.ac.uk. Below are examples of the main musical preferences among people who watch different TV stations, listen to different radio stations, and read different newspapers. The numbers refer to the number of people who nominated the musical style in question. For example, of the 870 people whose favourite TV channel was BBC1, 77 liked rock music the most, making it the most popular musical style among BBC1 viewers. BBC1 -- TOTAL 870 ROCK 77 CLASSICAL 74 ADULT POP 58 MUSICALS 57 DISCO 51 SIXTIES 47 R&B 45 CHART POP 43 INDIE 39 SOUL 35 DANCE/HOUSE 33 BLUES 31 COUNTRY&WESTERN 28 OTHER POP 27 OPERA 25 JAZZ 25 OTHER 20 DJ BASED 19 CHORAL 17 HIP HOP/RAP 17 BAROQUE 12 IRISH FOLK 12 REGGAE 11 FUNK/ACID JAZZ 10 HEAVY METAL 10 DRUM 'N' BASS 9 WORLD MUSIC 8 PUNK 8 ENGLISH FOLK 7 NEW AGE/RELAXATION 5 20TH C CLASSICAL 3 RENAISSANCE 3 AMBIENT 2 PSYCHEDELIC 2 ELECTRONIC 0 BBC2 -- TOTAL 163 ADULT POP 14 CLASSICAL 12 SIXTIES 12 INDIE 11 JAZZ 10 OPERA 9 ROCK 9 CHORAL 8 SOUL 7 DISCO 7 BLUES 7 DANCE/HOUSE 5 MUSICALS 5 OTHER 5 HIP HOP/RAP 4 BAROQUE 4 HEAVY METAL 4 COUNTRY&WESTERN 3 R&B 3 WORLD MUSIC 3 AMBIENT 3 CHART POP 2 DRUM 'N' BASS 2 PSYCHEDELIC 2 PUNK 2 DJ BASED 2 OTHER POP 2 20TH C CLASSICAL 1 ENGLISH FOLK 1 IRISH FOLK 1 ELECTRONIC 1 NEW AGE/RELAXATION 0 RENAISSANCE 0 REGGAE 0 ITV1 -- TOTAL 452 DISCO 43 ADULT POP 34 ROCK 33 CHART POP 33 SIXTIES 28 DANCE HOUSE 26 R&B 24 OTHER POP 21 SOUL 20 COUNTRY&WESTERN 17 INDIE 16 CLASSICAL 15 MUSICALS 15 HIP HOP/RAP 14 OPERA 11 DJ BASED 11 JAZZ 9 REGGAE 9 IRISH FOLK 9 OTHER 9 ELECTRONIC 8 WORLD MUSIC 7 PUNK 6 FUNK/ACID JAZZ 6 AMBIENT 5 BLUES 5 HEAVY METAL 5 ENGLISH FOLK 3 DRUM 'N' BASS 2 BAROQUE 2 NEW AGE/RELAXATION 2 PSYCHEDELIC 2 CHORAL 1 20TH C CLASSICAL 1 RENAISSANCE 0 CHANNEL 4 -- TOTAL 244 DANCE/HOUSE 24 INDIE 22 R&B 20 DRUM 'N' BASS 16 HIP HOP/RAP 15 SOUL 14 ROCK 13 DJ BASED 12 CHART POP 10 DISCO 10 MUSICALS 9 FUNK/ACID JAZZ 9 JAZZ 8 REGGAE 8 OTHER 8 CLASSICAL 6 AMBIENT 6 PUNK 5 ADULT POP 4 OTHER POP 4 OPERA 3 BAROQUE 3 BLUES 3 IRISH FOLK 3 COUNTRY&WESTERN 2 SIXTIES 2 CHORAL 1 20TH C CLASSICAL 1 ENGLISH FOLK 1 ELECTRONIC 1 HEAVY METAL 1 WORLD MUSIC 0 NEW AGE/RELAXATION 0 PSYCHEDELIC 0 RENAISSANCE 0 CHANNEL 5 -- TOTAL 61 R&B 6 DANCE/HOUSE 6 HIP HOP/RAP 5 DISCO 4 ROCK 3 SOUL 3 CLASSICAL 3 MUSICALS 3 SIXTIES 3 HEAVY METAL 3 OPERA 2 JAZZ 2 WORLD MUSIC 2 BLUES 2 PUNK 2 ADULT POP 2 FUNK/ACID JAZZ 2 COUNTRY&WESTERN 1 CHART POP 1 DRUM 'N' BASS 1 REGGAE 1 INDIE 1 IRISH FOLK 1 DJ BASED 1 OTHER POP 1 CHORAL 0 20TH C CLASSICAL 0 AMBIENT 0 BAROQUE 0 ENGLISH FOLK 0 NEW AGE/RELAXATION 0 PSYCHEDELIC 0 RENAISSANCE 0 ELECTRONIC 0 OTHER 0 BBC RADIO 1 -- TOTAL 937 DANCE/HOUSE 98 R&B 88 INDIE 77 CHART POP 68 ROCK 60 DISCO 60 DJ BASED 52 SOUL 45 HIP HOP/RAP 45 OTHER POP 31 OTHER 30 ADULT POP 28 DRUM 'N' BASS 25 FUNK/ACID JAZZ 25 MUSICALS 24 SIXTIES 21 CLASSICAL 20 JAZZ 17 HEAVY METAL 16 COUNTRY&WESTERN 15 REGGAE 15 PUNK 14 AMBIENT 13 OPERA 9 WORLD MUSIC 6 IRISH FOLK 6 ELECTRONIC 6 BAROQUE 4 ENGLISH FOLK 3 PSYCHEDELIC 3 CHORAL 2 NEW AGE/RELAXATION 1 RENAISSANCE 1 20TH C CLASSICAL 0 BBC RADIO 2 -- TOTAL 258 ADULT POP 35 SIXTIES 27 ROCK 24 MUSICALS 24 CLASSICAL 23 COUNTRY&WESTERN 17 DISCO 17 OTHER POP 13 JAZZ 11 IRISH FOLK 10 BLUES 9 SOUL 7 CHORAL 7 OPERA 6 R&B 6 CHART POP 4 BAROQUE 4 OTHER 4 WORLD MUSIC 3 DANCE/HOUSE 2 ENGLISH FOLK 2 20TH C CLASSICAL 1 REGGAE 1 DJ BASED 1 DRUM 'N' BASS 0 HIP HOP/RAP 0 AMBIENT 0 NEW AGE/RELAXATION 0 PSYCHEDELIC 0 RENAISSANCE 0 INDIE 0 PUNK 0 ELECTRONIC 0 FUNK/ACID JAZZ 0 HEAVY METAL 0 BBC RADIO 4 -- TOTAL 295 CLASSICAL 40 MUSICALS 24 SIXTIES 21 ADULT POP 20 OPERA 19 ROCK 16 SOUL 16 INDIE 16 JAZZ 14 CHORAL 13 BLUES 13 DISCO 12 COUNTRY&WESTERN 11 IRISH FOLK 8 CHART POP 6 20TH C CLASSICAL 5 BAROQUE 5 ENGLISH FOLK 5 OTHER 5 FUNK/ACID JAZZ 4 R&B 3 WORLD MUSIC 3 REGGAE 3 HEAVY METAL 3 DANCE/HOUSE 2 NEW AGE/RELAXATION 2 PUNK 2 OTHER POP 2 AMBIENT 1 PSYCHEDELIC 1 DRUM 'N' BASS 0 HIP HOP/RAP 0 RENAISSANCE 0 ELECTRONIC 0 DJ BASED 0 BBC RADIO 5 LIVE -- TOTAL 97 ROCK 7 BLUES 7 INDIE 7 ADULT POP 7 DISCO 6 SIXTIES 6 REGGAE 6 SOUL 5 MUSICALS 5 OTHER POP 5 CHART POP 4 CLASSICAL 4 OPERA 3 DANCE/HOUSE 3 FUNK/ACID JAZZ 3 DJ BASED 3 JAZZ 2 PUNK 2 HEAVY METAL 2 OTHER 2 COUNTRY&WESTERN 1 R&B 1 CHORAL 1 HIP HOP/RAP 1 WORLD MUSIC 1 AMBIENT 1 IRISH FOLK 1 ELECTRONIC 1 20TH C CLASSICAL 0 DRUM 'N' BASS 0 BAROQUE 0 ENGLISH FOLK 0 NEW AGE/RELAXATION 0 PSYCHEDELIC 0 RENAISSANCE 0 CLASSIC FM -- TOTAL 74 CLASSICAL 17 ROCK 7 BAROQUE 6 OPERA 5 MUSICALS 5 IRISH FOLK 5 CHORAL 4 ADULT POP 4 COUNTRY&WESTERN 3 CHART POP 2 R&B 2 WORLD MUSIC 2 INDIE 2 HEAVY METAL 2 OTHER 2 SOUL 1 DANCE/HOUSE 1 HIP HOP/RAP 1 BLUES 1 SIXTIES 1 PUNK 1 JAZZ 0 DISCO 0 20TH C CLASSICAL 0 DRUM 'N' BASS 0 AMBIENT 0 ENGLISH FOLK 0 NEW AGE/RELAXATION 0 PSYCHEDELIC 0 RENAISSANCE 0 REGGAE 0 ELECTRONIC 0 FUNK/ACID JAZZ 0 DJ BASED 0 OTHER POP 0 THE TIMES -- TOTAL 363 CLASSICAL 35 ROCK 25 R&B 23 SOUL 22 ADULT POP 21 MUSICALS 19 SIXTIES 19 INDIE 19 DISCO 18 OPERA 15 HIP HOP/RAP 15 OTHER POP 13 JAZZ 12 BLUES 12 DANCE/HOUSE 11 CHART POP 9 REGGAE 8 CHORAL 7 IRISH FOLK 7 OTHER 7 COUNTRY&WESTERN 6 PUNK 6 DRUM 'N' BASS 5 HEAVY METAL 5 WORLD MUSIC 4 ENGLISH FOLK 4 FUNK/ACID JAZZ 4 DJ BASED 4 BAROQUE 3 AMBIENT 2 ELECTRONIC 3 20TH C CLASSICAL 1 NEW AGE/RELAXATION 0 PSYCHEDELIC 0 RENAISSANCE 0 THE GUARDIAN -- TOTAL 209 ROCK 15 CLASSICAL 12 ADULT POP 12 R&B 11 CHART POP 10 SOUL 10 DANCE/HOUSE 10 SIXTIES 10 INDIE 10 OPERA 9 JAZZ 9 MUSICALS 9 FUNK/ACID JAZZ 9 HIP HOP/RAP 7 DISCO 6 DRUM 'N' BASS 6 IRISH FOLK 6 OTHER 6 AMBIENT 5 BLUES 5 DJ BASED 5 BAROQUE 4 REGGAE 4 OTHER POP 4 PUNK 3 COUNTRY&WESTERN 2 CHORAL 2 WORLD MUSIC 2 20TH C CLASSICAL 1 ENGLISH FOLK 1 NEW AGE/RELAXATION 1 PSYCHEDELIC 1 RENAISSANCE 1 HEAVY METAL 1 ELECTRONIC 0 INDEPENDENT -- TOTAL 85 ROCK 11 DANCE/HOUSE 7 DJ BASED 5 SOUL 4 AMBIENT 4 INDIE 4 OPERA 3 JAZZ 3 CLASSICAL 3 MUSICALS 3 BLUES 3 REGGAE 3 PUNK 3 ADULT POP 3 OTHER 3 CHART POP 2 DISCO 2 DRUM 'N' BASS 2 SIXTIES 2 FUNK/ACID JAZZ 2 HEAVY METAL 2 COUNTRY&WESTERN 1 R&B 1 CHORAL 1 20TH C CLASSICAL 1 BAROQUE 1 ENGLISH FOLK 1 NEW AGE/RELAXATION 1 RENAISSANCE 1 IRISH FOLK 1 ELECTRONIC 1 OTHER POP 1 HIP HOP/RAP 0 WORLD MUSIC 0 PSYCHEDELIC 0 TELEGRAPH -- TOTAL 143 CLASSICAL 17 ROCK 14 INDIE 10 ADULT POP 9 DISCO 8 MUSICALS 8 OPERA 6 COUNTRY&WESTERN 6 CHART POP 6 CHORAL 6 SIXTIES 6 SOUL 5 WORLD MUSIC 5 BLUES 5 OTHER POP 5 FUNK/ACID JAZZ 4 DJ BASED 4 HIP HOP/RAP 3 JAZZ 2 R&B 2 DANCE/HOUSE 2 BAROQUE 2 REGGAE 2 HEAVY METAL 2 AMBIENT 1 NEW AGE/RELAXATION 1 IRISH FOLK 1 OTHER 1 20TH C CLASSICAL 0 DRUM 'N' BASS 0 ENGLISH FOLK 0 PSYCHEDELIC 0 RENAISSANCE 0 PUNK 0 ELECTRONIC 0 THE MIRROR -- TOTAL 245 SIXTIES 21 ROCK 19 COUNTRY&WESTERN 18 R&B 17 DISCO 16 MUSICALS 16 CHART POP 13 CLASSICAL 13 HIP HOP/RAP 13 DANCE/HOUSE 10 ADULT POP 10 INDIE 9 OTHER POP 9 BLUES 8 IRISH FOLK 8 DJ BASED 8 SOUL 6 DRUM 'N' BASS 6 JAZZ 4 FUNK/ACID JAZZ 4 OTHER 4 HEAVY METAL 3 ENGLISH FOLK 2 PSYCHEDELIC 2 REGGAE 2 PUNK 2 CHORAL 1 BAROQUE 1 OPERA 0 20TH C CLASSICAL 0 WORLD MUSIC 0 AMBIENT 0 NEW AGE/RELAXATION 0 RENAISSANCE 0 ELECTRONIC 0 DAILY MAIL -- TOTAL 446 ADULT POP 37 DISCO 36 ROCK 31 MUSICALS 31 CHART POP 30 SIXTIES 27 CLASSICAL 25 R&B 24 SOUL 23 DANCE/HOUSE 23 JAZZ 22 COUNTRY&WESTERN 17 OPERA 13 INDIE 13 OTHER POP 12 BLUES 10 DJ BASED 9 HIP HOP/RAP 8 IRISH FOLK 8 FUNK/ACID JAZZ 8 OTHER 8 REGGAE 7 CHORAL 6 HEAVY METAL 5 WORLD MUSIC 3 DRUM 'N' BASS 2 AMBIENT 2 BAROQUE 2 ENGLISH FOLK 2 NEW AGE/RELAXATION 1 RENAISSANCE 1 20TH C CLASSICAL 0 PSYCHEDELIC 0 PUNK 0 ELECTRONIC 0 THE SUN -- TOTAL 287 DANCE/HOUSE 25 R&B 22 ROCK 20 DISCO 20 INDIE 20 SIXTIES 17 ADULT POP 17 CHART POP 15 OTHER 15 DJ BASED 12 OTHER POP 12 CLASSICAL 10 COUNTRY&WESTERN 9 DRUM 'N' BASS 8 MUSICALS 8 SOUL 7 HIP HOP/RAP 6 PUNK 6 REGGAE 5 FUNK/ACID JAZZ 5

Vogue fascist chic

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PSYOP?

Hard to tell, psyop or satire.

Mainstream

Art agenda

fashion

Cable TV

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