Bobby Woodward - Big Dick in '08?

by **steve vegas** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 11:28 pm

Bobby, baby, what are you up to? <a href="http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/stories/MYSA022206.01B.woodward.129cfa8d.html">Woodward warns of secrecy trend</a>  (Above links to the San Antonio Express News story. Headline originally seen at huffingtonpost.com/thenewswire.) <blockquote>Quote:<hr> The greatest threat to America's democracy is not terrorism but governmental secrecy, said Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Bob Woodward, whose reporting 35 years ago pierced the veil of secrecy behind Richard Nixon's presidency.<hr></blockquote> Uhh, thanks for the heads up Bobbo, it's about time somebody hipped us to the Bush admin's penchant for secrecy and the consequences thereof! The real interesting bit though comes at the end of the article... <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Even as he scolded the media's tendency to prophesy the future, Woodward offered his prediction for the 2008 presidential race. By all indications, he said, Democrat Hillary Clinton is running. He noted that Republicans have a long track record of nominating "old war horses." Given that, and depending on how things in Iraq proceed, "You're going to think I'm crazy, but you heard it here first. I think they could nominate Dick Cheney." <hr></blockquote> Now honestly, I don't find that idea crazy at all, it wouldn't surprise me even a little, in fact, I've been halfway expecting it all along. I do, however, find crazy like a fox BobBob's public pronouncement of same highly vexatious. What is the purpose of this PSYOP, just to get us prepared for the idea? Perhaps it's some sort of reverse pychology? Please to comment oh learned ones....

by **pugzleyca3** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 12:57 am

I'm not going to qualify as one of the "oh learned ones" but I'm learned enough to know that I certainly wouldn't vote for Cheney under any circumstances. Surely he's wrong about that, but then, maybe he knows something we don't. Sounds like he does, anyway. I am of the mindset that I think anyone that would vote for Cheney at this stage in the game must already be 'chipped'. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> ugh! Just the thought of him running makes me want to... move to another country.

by **Floyd Smoots** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 12:59 am

....I'm quoting here from a more paranoid (verinoid?) site, but, WHAT makes you think there's even Going TO BE a 2008 election??? Given all the powers given to the Resident by Executive Orders for the past 30 or so years, ALL It Takes is to "execute certain of those orders", and the Constitution becomes just one of "history's mysteries" and we're all under Martial (Martian?) Law. If or when that happens, there just probably ain't gonna be no 2008 erections (sic). <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/mad.gif ALT=">:">

by **steve vegas** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 1:20 am

I hear you loud and clear Floyd. I'm of the opinion though that the PTB will continue the farce of elections. The electronic machines are so easily hacked they have no reason not to. They can put in anyone they like with virtually no reaction from the public, at least not as reported by the media. I think the chance of an American chattel class uprising against the current system is exactly ZERO. The Democrats, comically, our last best hope, almost to a member have no interest in taking up the issue of stolen elections. I'm basically waiting to see what happens in '06, that will tell the tale of '08. If they are brazen enough to keep control of both houses of the legislature, they are surely brazen enough to steal the presidential election in '08, we shall see. This setup essentially obviates the need for anything as dramatic as martial law or prison camps, though they certainly have those contingincies all covered. Their t's are crossed and their i's are dotted. I was mainly amused and at the same time horrified that a CIA shill/plant like Bob Woodward was predicting a Cheney nomination in public. I had been assuming that the Republicans would at least trot out a new android for our voting pleasure, but, upon further reflection I can imagine that they might just be cynical enough to give us the Dick again (sorry, couldn't resist).

by **steve vegas** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 1:24 am

Oh yeah, to pugzleyca3, I am in another country and the thought of D.C. still in D.C. after 2008 is just as troubling....

by **chiggerbit** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 1:27 am

Cheney's "heart" will stop any aspirations in that direction, I'm guessing. And Woodward knows it, so I'm wondering what he is up to. That old propaganda hype that Cheney doesn't care what people think and therefore he doesn't pander to the press is a myth. Cheney's "heart" just can't handle the pressure of real press interviews. Which may also be related to why Cheney is always wearing kevlar. He knows what happened when Reagan got shot. Bang, then Alzheimer's. And don't forget, Alzheimer's has a strong correlation with heart trouble. Could be that that is what all the incompetence is about lately, you know. Wow, what if they both have Alzy? Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 2/22/06 10:39 pm

by **pugzleyca3** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 1:55 am

There may be more resistance to this if my common knowledge is any indicator. My entire family were die hard republicans, voted for shrub both times. Now, no way are they going to vote republican again in at least this next election. No matter who's on the ticket. They want them out of the majority. Also, other people I know are more than a little disillusioned. However if the elections are going to be rigged, again, and I believe they have been, there's not much we can do about that. This time, I think what you are going to see is a multitude of new voters signing up (we saw that last time too, I know) but I think this time it will be overwhelming and if the republicans install themselves in as the majority in both houses once again, there are going to be protests in the streets this time. I will be out there, and I wasn't before. And I know a lot of others who never even thought about protesting are talking about it, too. So, maybe there is some hope that people have had enough of this and are ready to stand up for what they want. I see a lot of them jumping ship, us commoners, I mean.

by **NewKid** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 2:07 am

Pugzleyca3, Just curious, what was the last straw for your family with shrub?

by **steve vegas** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 2:09 am

pugzleyca3 - I hope you are right, and I think you may be. I tend to be very cynical about the election issue. I sometimes think they may let the Dems have the '06 mid-terms to throw us questioners off the scent.

by **pugzleyca3** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 2:13 am

It was the WMD issue. That was what really did it. They were already suspicious that something wasn't right and when I showed them the info regarding the Downing Street Memo, they all blew a cork and said no more of this.

by **pugzleyca3** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 2:22 am

Steve, Never underestimate a bunch of pissed off Americans. However, I must admit I am fearful because I think the idea of having two sides is an illusion and both drink out of the same filthy trough for the most part. Maybe if enough people raise cane, they will be afraid to keep going where they are trying to lead us. That is my one hope for the future. That the people become the government again and remind those in office for whom they work. It's time for the government to be scared of the people, that's the way it should be. Otherwise, you've got tyranny. And if it keeps on like it is, it won't be long until we learn the true meaning of the word, like so many other people across the globe have learned that hard, hard lesson. Why so many people think it can't happen here, I just can't understand. They've been complacent. Thinking the Constitution and the Bill of Rights were so solid they were unchangeable, but there are many who are chipping away at it. People are starting to see this and they are getting nervous and angry. And fearful. Fear is a huge motivator, it does have its usefulness and maybe this is what it is going to take.

by **NewKid** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 2:23 am

Interesting phenomenon because the blogosphere has been buzzing recently about Glenn Greenwald's Bush Cult post. What most missed in the analysis, though, was that it's not actually based around Bush the person so much, and in fact Greenwald and others have predicted that the wingnuts will shortly completely abandon Bush like a used paper cup. And with the UAE port deal, some Republican NSA resistance, and Cheney's humiliation, there maybe some signs of this happening. See, here, for example. <a href="http://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2006/02/impeachment_edm.html" target="top">leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2006/02/impeachment_edm.html</a> But then of course, this could all be just a show.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smokin.gif ALT=":smokin"> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=newkid@rigorousintuition>NewKid</A> at: 2/22/06 11:27 pm

by **pugzleyca3** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 2:36 am

Newkid, It's funny, I've talked to many people who are sick of this regime. And they all have their buttons and sometimes it's the strangest thing that causes them to jump ship. One person I know was so angry about the Amtrack money (I can't even remember which scandal that was now) that they abandoned the party because of that. And others are so angry about the bankruptcy bill, that's what did it for them. I think it's all the layers upon layers of crap this administration and Congress has heaped upon the people. And the merging of corporate and government interests in almost every area, credit card interest rates being allowed at unbelievable levels, the vaccination laws that allow big pharma to go unpunished in the event of illness or death, then you've got Padilla... condoning torture in the name of the U.S.. There are so many things. It's like people simply don't expect the government to do the right thing by the people, no matter what the issue is. And I think they're right. This port thing is just another nail in the coffin as well as all that I mentioned above. But the reaction by people to that issue, I think even surprised the politicians. It's hard to tell what's a show and what isn't, but one way to know if it's theatrics is to watch the actors closely. Schumer is a strange character and he appears to be on top of some of it, but in the end... what are the results? The Dems don't have to do much because they have the fall back position of being in the minority. But if they are put back into power in both houses, they'd better do what's right or they are going to see some serious unrest in this country. I think that is what people are waiting for and that will be the real test of who is really who in all this. If they come into power in 06 in both houses, you will then know if we truly have one party or two.

by **NewKid** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 2:48 am

There are certainly signs of a tipping point. The liberal blogosphere has reached its wits end with the inexplicable ineffectiveness of the Democrats. <a href="http://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2006/02/political_angst.html" target="top">leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2006/02/political_angst.html</a> It maybe hard for them to lose the '06 races without appearing obviously staged. For me, it's hard to really tell. Figuring out what will really open people's eyes is kind of like asking me what a five year old girl would think is cool. I just can't relate to segments of the population who've been so oblivious to what's been going on, so I don't have a good gut for what will really turn people around.

by **pugzleyca3** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 3:02 am

Newkid, It is hard, for me, too. But maybe we're already there. I loved the article you posted by the way. My sentiments exactly. I can only keep up the hope that people have had enough of the "scandal overload" (what a fitting term for what's going on) and they'll say enough is enough. The mantra that the people are sleeping no longer applies, I don't believe they are now. Maybe the sleeping giant is finally awakening. All I can do is keep on telling people about what's been going on while they fiddled and I fretted. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> We'll get through this, somehow. I know we will. I can't believe anything else, it's too horrible to contemplate and this certainly isn't over. Not by a long shot. Not as long as I am breathing and can speak out against what is going on. When talking to people, it doesn't take a whole lot for them to "get it". It's like they intuitively know that something is very wrong and when you show them bare facts and legislation, they wake up almost instantly. It's just a matter of getting to them and showing them what's happening. And not everyone is like us that has time to get online and dig deep into politics. That's what "they" are banking on, that no one is looking. Well, I wasn't looking and I sure am looking now! So are a LOT of other people. This I know for sure, at least the people around me. And one tells another and so on. Grass roots is what it is going to take to take this country back since the media has failed us so miserably. Just think, if we can wake up without a media to speak of, those suckers don't stand a chance, do they?

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