ACLU"wear orange"+Cheetos "OrangeUndergound

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Hugh. Dude.

It behooves you to pick your battles.
The Zappa thing here is beyond weak.
You're right about him being somebody they'd target...
But the example here is just pure over-imagination on your part.

Meanwhile, you've got a rare putative example of KH that might actually have "stickiness", and you're letting it rot. You're feeding your critics with the Zappa shit, and they're eating it up and deservedly mocking you for it, and the legit thing you brought up is getting ignored. Fucking priorities dude. Put down the Zappa shit for now. Bring it up later. But cut bait, man. You've got a bigger fish (perhaps an actual fish) nibbling on another line, and the pole is slipping off the boat.

I appreciate your point about the relative size of fish, FB.
I'll admit to the PRIMARY HIJACKING being easier to grasp and expose than another but not that the secondary hijacking isn't one.

It very much reinforces the torture/camp/sex theme of the ACLU vs Cheetos 'orange social movement' hijacking. 'Nuff said on that.

I've pointed out HOW the ACLU vs Cheetos psy-ops works-
>careful timing
>hijacking symbols
>dominating visibility
>targeting an audience
>imitation

And the same cultural mnemonic devices are used in all forms of psy-ops whether propaganda (promoting a message) or counterpropaganda (neutralizing a message).

[orz]

Hah I just remembered the time that Zappa came up in a HMW thread and someone ironically connected him to the CIA with much stronger "evidence" than Hugh usually provides for his slanders.

Back on topic, I'm proud to say that unlike some, I am not in the least bit frightened by a lame bottom of the barrel viral ad campaign ineffectively recycling the ironic post-adbusters fake activism ad style years after its sell-by date.

As ever, I find myself thinking that, assuming for a moment Hugh is right, we're doing OK!

If this is the best they can do, things can't be that bad. They're wasting effort and money on totally ineffective madness. You can't control people's perceptions of a colour! That's absurd. They're wasting their time.

[IanEye]

Hugh. Dude.

You're feeding your critics with the Zappa shit, and they're eating it up and deservedly mocking you for it, and the legit thing you brought up is getting ignored.

actually, i was being serious (i know it is hard to tell sometimes). That Zappa on the Monkees clip is so subversive (right after the clip they go into a commercial for Kellogg's cereal).

Mike Nesmith's career is a worthy topic of research, cheesy as it is...

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Hah I just remembered the time that Zappa came up in a HMW thread and someone ironically connected him to the CIA with much stronger "evidence" than Hugh usually provides for his slanders.

That, as usual, was Prof Pan who has spent over two years denying any psy-ops I posit.

Back on topic, I'm proud to say that unlike some, I am not in the least bit frightened by a lame bottom of the barrel viral ad campaign ineffectively recycling the ironic post-adbusters fake activism ad style years after its sell-by date.

As ever, I find myself thinking that, assuming for a moment Hugh is right, we're doing OK!

OK? Try living in the US with a law-free torture-friendly government and youth who think the government should be able to censor all media.

Americans are getting physically shorter and suffering amazing amounts of mental illness due to the effects of systemic poverty and psy-ops locked in since 1980.

You're in the UK, right? Another Big Brother government.

Did you see that recent poll that showed almost 25% think Winston Churchill was fiction but a majority think Sherlock Holmes was real?

Both our governments are trying to defeat critical thinking in youth and hide dirty laundry to keep them passive and manageable.

[orz]

Both our governments are trying to defeat critical thinking in youth and hide dirty laundry to keep them passive and manageable.

Yes of course, I totally agree. It's just that I've not found a SINGLE ONE of your specific examples of how they do this to be at all convincing or non-insane.

[professorpan]

You've got a bigger fish (perhaps an actual fish) nibbling on another line, and the pole is slipping off the boat.

No, he doesn't.

Cheetos are orange. They always have been orange. The ACLU's anti-Guantanamo action was a ONE DAY event.

Oranges are orange, too. As are carrots, Ronald McDonald's hair, and Hindu robes. And here are some other orange "psyops" -- if you think they AREN'T psyops, then please explain how you differentiate them from the Cheetos ad campaign, please.

Habitat for Humanity
http://www.orangehabitat.org/campaign/

Food Bank of NYC
http://www.kintera.org/faf/home/default ... ent=250214

Hugo Boss Orange Campaign
http://thephotographylink.blogspot.com/ ... range.html

Do You See Orange campaign
http://www.worldvision.org/aoa.nsf/aids/events_orange

DKNY's Orange Bike campaign
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/ ... -bicycles/

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

You've got a bigger fish (perhaps an actual fish) nibbling on another line, and the pole is slipping off the boat.

No, he doesn't.

Cheetos are orange. They always have been orange. The ACLU's anti-Guantanamo action was a ONE DAY event.

Wrong, Pan. That's a gross distortion and denial of facts about:
>two ongoing,
>specifically detailed,
>parallel, and
>competing campaigns
>using 'orange' as a symbol for a REAL political purpose
>and for a FAKE 'political' purpose.

Typical Pan....

Not coincidently, disrupting social movements is an FBI COINTELPRO "greatest hit"-

http://mediafilter.org/MFF/USDCO.PsyWar.html

Disinformation to Prevent or Disrupt Movement Meetings and Activities:

A favorite COINTELPRO tactic uncovered by Senate investigators was to advertise a non-existent political event, or to misinform people of the time and place of an actual one. They reported a variety of disruptive FBI "dirty tricks" designed to cast blame on the organizers of movement events.

In one "disinformation" case, the [FBI's] Chicago Field Office duplicated blank forms prepared by the National Mobilization Committee to End the War in Vietnam ("NMC") soliciting housing for demonstrators at the Democratic National Convention. Chicago filled out 217 of these forms with fictitious names and addresses and sent them to the NMC, which provided them to demonstrators who made "long and useless journeys to locate these addresses." The NMC then decided to discard all replies received on the housing forms rather than have out-of-town demonstrators try to locate nonexistent addresses. (The same program was carried out when the Washington Mobilization Committee distributed housing forms for demonstrators coming to Washington for the 1969 Presidential inaugural ceremonies.)

In another case, during the demonstrations accompanying inauguration ceremonies, the Washington Field Office discovered that NMC marshals were using walkie-talkies to coordinate their movements and activities. WFO used the same citizen band to supply the marshals with misinformation and, pretending to be an NMC unit, countermanded NMC orders.

In a third case, a [Bureau] midwest field office disrupted arrangements for state university students to attend the 1969 inaugural demonstrations by making a series of anonymous telephone calls to the transportation company. The calls were designed to confuse both the transportation company and the SDS leaders as to the cost of transportation and the time and place for leaving and returning. This office also placed confusing leaflets around the campus to show different times and places for demonstration-planning meetings, as well as conflicting times and dates for traveling to Washington.

[IanEye]

Orange you smart?!?

[orz]

Case closed!

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Not coincidently, disrupting social movements is an FBI COINTELPRO "greatest hit"-

http://mediafilter.org/MFF/USDCO.PsyWar.html

Disinformation to Prevent or Disrupt Movement Meetings and Activities:

A favorite COINTELPRO tactic uncovered by Senate investigators was to advertise a non-existent political event, or to misinform people of the time and place of an actual one. They reported a variety of disruptive FBI "dirty tricks" designed to cast blame on the organizers of movement events.

In one "disinformation" case, the [FBI's] Chicago Field Office duplicated blank forms prepared by the National Mobilization Committee to End the War in Vietnam ("NMC") soliciting housing for demonstrators at the Democratic National Convention. Chicago filled out 217 of these forms with fictitious names and addresses and sent them to the NMC, which provided them to demonstrators who made "long and useless journeys to locate these addresses." The NMC then decided to discard all replies received on the housing forms rather than have out-of-town demonstrators try to locate nonexistent addresses. (The same program was carried out when the Washington Mobilization Committee distributed housing forms for demonstrators coming to Washington for the 1969 Presidential inaugural ceremonies.)

In another case, during the demonstrations accompanying inauguration ceremonies, the Washington Field Office discovered that NMC marshals were using walkie-talkies to coordinate their movements and activities. WFO used the same citizen band to supply the marshals with misinformation and, pretending to be an NMC unit, countermanded NMC orders.

In a third case, a [Bureau] midwest field office disrupted arrangements for state university students to attend the 1969 inaugural demonstrations by making a series of anonymous telephone calls to the transportation company. The calls were designed to confuse both the transportation company and the SDS leaders as to the cost of transportation and the time and place for leaving and returning. This office also placed confusing leaflets around the campus to show different times and places for demonstration-planning meetings, as well as conflicting times and dates for traveling to Washington.

[orz]

[FourthBase]

You've got a bigger fish (perhaps an actual fish) nibbling on another line, and the pole is slipping off the boat.

No, he doesn't.

Cheetos are orange. They always have been orange. The ACLU's anti-Guantanamo action was a ONE DAY event.

Oranges are orange, too. As are carrots, Ronald McDonald's hair, and Hindu robes. And here are some other orange "psyops" -- if you think they AREN'T psyops, then please explain how you differentiate them from the Cheetos ad campaign, please.

Habitat for Humanity
http://www.orangehabitat.org/campaign/

Food Bank of NYC
http://www.kintera.org/faf/home/default ... ent=250214

Hugo Boss Orange Campaign
http://thephotographylink.blogspot.com/ ... range.html

Do You See Orange campaign
http://www.worldvision.org/aoa.nsf/aids/events_orange

DKNY's Orange Bike campaign
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/ ... -bicycles/

You're comparing those to...the Cheetos campaign?
The ACLU campaign?

It's not just the color orange, man.
The closest thing there is the AIDS awareness thing.
And it's not in the same ballpark, theme or size wise.

[FourthBase]

Genius.

[FourthBase]

It's not just the color orange, man.
The closest thing there is the AIDS awareness thing.
And it's not in the same ballpark, theme or size wise.

Not that I'm vouching for this example's actuality...
But as Hugh examples go, it's slight above average content wise.

[AlanStrangis]

Sorry to be blunt, but at the most this is COINTELAMATEUR, not PRO.

Nobody cared about the "Orange Underground" and the top response from YouTubers (mouse potatoes?) was pro-health and anti-war. Certainly not a greatest hit by any stretch of the imachination.