"Was the 2004 election stolen? No."

[NewKid]

So says Farhad Manjoo of Salon. <br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/06/03/kennedy/" target="top">www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/06/03/kennedy/</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>I guess that settles it then. <p></p><i></i>

[HMKGrey]

I read the piece. It's pretty compelling stuff. <br><br>Does anybody have any info on the author? <p></p><i></i>

[greencrow0]

I believe it was...<br><br>Americans are simply not that stupid to have willfully brought this horror down on their heads.<br><br>They were duped and defrauded of competent government. <p></p><i></i>

[FourthBase]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>In 2000, Democratic state Supreme Court candidate Alice Resnick won more votes than Al Gore in dozens of counties -- in 81 counties, which makes the 12 counties where Supreme Court candidate Connally outperformed Kerry in 2004 look not very suspicious at all.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>Citing the 2000 election? Hilarious.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>As the MIT political scientists Charles Stewart has pointed out, it's not useful to compare the role of exit polls in Ukraine's 2004 election with exit polls in the U.S race. The two elections, and the two nations, are too different to come to any meaningful conclusion from such a comparison. In Ukraine, one exit poll showed opposition candidate and eventual president Viktor Yushchenko winning 54 percent to 43 percent nationally. Mitofsky's final national poll put Kerry at 51 percent and Bush with 48 percent. Compare this to the actual result, which had Bush at 51 percent and Kerry with 48 percent. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The difference is not that significant</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>...not <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>AS</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> significant. So basically, the election riggers were careful enough not to make the difference ludicrously noticeable.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>But in none of those states was Kerry's lead outside the poll's margin of error.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>So...congratulations to the election riggers! <p></p><i></i>

[NewKid]

<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com/2006/06/fahrads-follies.html" target="top">markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com/2006/06/fahrads-follies.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.phoenixwoman.blogspot.com/" target="top">www.phoenixwoman.blogspot.com/</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=newkid@rigorousintuition>NewKid</A> at: 6/5/06 12:14 am<br></i>

[sunny]

Here is a pretty good refutation of Manjoo-<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://phoenixwoman.blogspot.com/">phoenixwoman.blogspot.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Scroll down a bit; it's in five parts.<br><br>Manjoo was poo-pooing the notion of a stolen election way back, right after the election, when he could not possibly have had all the facts. Like most self-important "journalists" he has no intention of admitting he was wrong.<br><br>Incredibly, liberal bloggers are piling on RFK. It is fascinating to me that they refuse to even consider the possibility-being too tin-foil hat puts them out of the credibility ring around msm, I guess. Pathetic how they buy into the memes, considering the obvious fakery of much of the news.<br><br>Here is an example- read on through the comments- most of them are none too happy with "The Editors."<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.thepoorman.net/2006/06/02/here-we-go-again/">www.thepoorman.net/2006/0...-go-again/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[HMKGrey]

Great links. <br><br>I've read Mark Crispin Miller's book. It's a bit shrill and doesn't wholly come over as convincing if you ask me. It's both exhaustive and exhausting. A prime example of how the availability of information in this day and age is both helping and hindering our cause. <br><br>That said, there's no real doubt in my mind about it being stolen. The trouble is that the arguments for it being stolen are incredibly diffuse - or rather - are <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>made</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> incredibly diffuse and complex <!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline">sounding</span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END--> by the media presentation of them. We tend to then play in to the trap by spreading our own argumenst over hundreds of talking points rather than three all powerful ones. <br><br>I just look at the reverses in the polls - a 'red shift' I believe they call it - and it sure looks like somebody somewhere was fucking about with some numbers. <br><br>And then, also, I just don't believe that Americans are that stupid or selfish. Zogby went home to bed having predicted a landslide for Kerry. I don't think he was far off. <p></p><i></i>

[pugzleyca3]

<A href=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8112825559202389150> CLINTON CURTIS TESTIMONY OHIO 2004 ELECTION HACKING </A><br><br>Whatever happened to this? <p></p><i></i>