The Bush regime came with its in-built conspiracy theory.

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The Bush regime came with its in-built conspiracy theory.

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:45 pm

(The following outline is not quite what I had in mind, but it may serve as a conversation starter on the issue of theses positing "Zionist control of U.S. policy.")

There's a trick the Pentagon planners like to play on us, revealing what they're all about one day and pretending it was a gaffe the next. Remember Bush's post-Sept. 11 declaration of Crusade, and the first operational name for the "global war on terror," Infinite Justice? They knew exactly what they were doing: taking the mantle of the awesome, the all powerful, the all-justified deity. Because of the protests and revulsion, they pretended it was a mistake, and changed the name to the more ambiguous "Enduring Freedom" (whose freedom are we enduring?). But they knew that the message had been sent. Same thing with "Operation Iraqi Liberation," changed hours later in pretend-embarrassment to Operation Iraqi Freedom. You really think they didn't know what the first name spelled?

There are those who say Iraq wasn't about the oil, citing the opposition prior to the invasion by a number of oil companies. But oil companies are not automatically in lockstep. How a given company will act very much depends on which territories it possesses concessions, or on which territories it hopes to gain concessions, and who its competitors are in gaining those concessions.

Now if there's a model of a company that would develop the vision and understanding of a more general interest relating to oil, the oil-based world economy and its relation to U.S. imperial geostrategy, well... you might expect that in an industrial services company, say a pipeline builder that does business with all major oil companies and simultaneously with the Pentagon (designated officially as the ultimate guardian of the oil flow since the days of the Carter Doctrine).

I can think of one such company that fits this description exactly. This company, Halliburton, happened to place its CEO (who is still legally on its payroll!) as the current vice-president-cum-emperor behind the scenes. Mr. Cheney got the prize of USA-CEO after a stolen election engineered by the alternate, privatized CIA created under Papa Bush's aegis in the 1970s -- largely the same group of men who had previously come to power as the "Reagan administration" and the Iran-Contra crew.

Note that the first thing Cheney did on assuming power over the state was not to issue a declaration or even plot covertly on behalf of Greater Israel, but to hold several dozen secret energy meetings at which future Iraqi and Central Asian concessions and pipeline plans (such as through Afghanistan) were dicussed with persons unknown (the records are still a state secret as protected by yet another 5-4 Supreme Court decision thanks to Cheney's duck-hunting partner, Scalia).

Cheney also had himself appointed the anti-terror czar. Simultaneously, the State Department held back-channel talks with the Taliban, demanding their conformity on a set of conditions and threatening to bomb and depose them otherwise. (Sorry if all this is "so 2003," as one of my critics recently put it.)

Owing to

a) the history of the robber barons (oil and banking synergy),

b) the central nature of the commodity as the energy source for a civilization,

c) its use as the backing for the currency system, and

d) oil's status as one of the big "forced profit" industries (no one feels they have a choice about wanting it)*

--I would submit that oil companies are practically synonymous with the major banks to which they are tied. At any rate, they form a complex.

The banks/financial sector provide the insurance contracts and futures systems to guard against price fluctuations, so that there's profit in both rises and falls of price, either for them or for the oil companies, with which they are interlocked.

From a strictly profit perspective, the ideal situation for the oil-banking complex as a whole is one of swings in price in the range between very high and astronomical. So even the companies who were allegedly reluctant about the Iraq invasion are for now likely to look at the resulting high prices and fluctuations and agree: "Mission Accomplished."

(One of my favored targets of derision are commentators who claim Iraq couldn't have been about oil because, um, the prices went up and gas is more expensive for "Americans" as a result. Duh!!!)

Then there's that Peak Oil thing. I know it has its denialists, but it becomes a concern not when it happens (whether in 2006 or in 2046) but as soon as it's understood that one day the maximum achievable supply will be less than demand, and that another day will follow a few decades later when the energy return on energy investment for further extraction approaches zero. So regardless of when Peak Oil comes, the time to secure the oil is now.

And then there's the context of that Dollar Armaggedon thing. An insolvent currency in need of seizing some real collateral - like Iraq - and some real leverage on the potential competitors - like what Iraq (and Afghanistan) potentially give vis a vis China, Russia, and Europe.

This is related to the Decline-of-Empire/Rise of Other Powers thing so central to the Cheney world domination plans of 1990 and the documents of the later marriage of the Bush Iran-Contra mob and the Likudnik cheerleaders, known as the "Project for a New American Century."

Not to mention that eternal need-a-good-war to justify all this MIC gear thing. (It must have felt so good to plunder the remaining taxpayers, once the Bush tax cuts took the super-rich almost entirely off the hook.)

Not to mention that Hubris thing: Hey, We the Empire have always cashed in and won on (almost) all imperial adventures to date, right? Right?!!

Given all that, Iraq (and 9/11 as triggering event) makes a lot of sense independently of the "Zionist and American interests are identical" synergy, which is also operative -- and which I believe the other elements in "the coalition" of real interests behind the Iraq insanity view as a convenient lightning rod.

I do believe the Bush mob came to power with awareness of their own in-built conspiracy theory: the Neocons, the exact same guys who in a previous incarnation were known as "Team B" (a Papa Bush production dating from the 1970s). It's the presence and fanaticism and generally ugly statements and mugs of the leading neocons that allowed the likes of Scowcroft and Powell and Brzezinski and Papa Bush himself to pretend they were somehow innocent statesmen, once the sense of adventure went south.


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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:13 pm

Yup.

The Cold War relied heavily on conspiracy theory-mongering by the USG and PNAC's War on Terra does, too.

More succinctly-
>Conspiracy is a synonym for "PLANNING."
>Secrecy is S.O.P.

Pretty safe to assert that there's secret PLANNING going on in seats of power.

Kinda takes the steam out of "those kooky planning theorists."
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Postby JackRiddler » Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:32 pm

Maybe the OP could have used one or two more paragraphs:

The point, finally, is that too many who oppose the Bush agenda (and the long-running imperialism of which it is but a particularly criminal phase) take the neocons and the "Zionist lobby" and the "Straussians" (total construct) out of context as the primary villains. They are not. They are one element in the whole. The particular function they serve so willingly is to provide the ultra-extremism that makes the other madmen look sane as they implement the overall agenda. They provide a vaguely foreign influence for right-wing critics of imperialism like Buchanan and the Paulistas to scapegoat, and unfortunately many on the left have fallen for the same view.

That's been the role of the leading neocons role since the days of Plan B, when Papa Bush as CIA chief hired them (Wolfowitz and Perle among others) to devise more dire scenarios of overwhelming Soviet threat than the already dire (and also fictional) scenarios provided by the conventional CIA.

The neocons have served as advance ideological shock troops, they do dirty work like the Niger forgeries (which were overkill, hardly necessary for the invasion propaganda), they cut a loud figure in public so that they attract hate, they implicate themselves, they say the most frightful things so that a Bush doesn't have to. That's their role, that's their crime, and that's their price of admission.
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:49 pm

Because of the protests and revulsion, they pretended it was a mistake, and changed the name to the more ambiguous "Enduring Freedom" (whose freedom are we enduring?).


Yeah, that was worthy of Benetton. These high-powered (coke-fuelled) PR wordsmiths are not without a sense of humour; and far from being incompetent (they're not well-paid for nothing), they tend to be smarter and better-read than most of their critics. Somebody must have remembered a novel by Ian McEwan that came out in 1997.

But they knew that the message had been sent. Same thing with "Operation Iraqi Liberation," changed hours later in pretend-embarrassment to Operation Iraqi Freedom. You really think they didn't know what the first name spelled?


Now that was creative. That was edgy. "Operation...Liberation" -- it chimes so inelegantly, and it's so unnecessarily long-winded (two syllables more than 'Freedom', and that's a lot in an advertising slogan devised for the global market), that it can only have been selected as a joke.

No risk, no fun. They don't call them Venture Capitalists for nothing. And having gotten away with 9/11, they knew they could get away with anything.

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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:57 pm

The particular function they serve so willingly is to provide the ultra-extremism that makes the other madmen look sane as they implement the overall agenda.


Agreed. (metaphor warning)
Extremists are allowed to run as the digestive enzymes of history.
They accelerate processes by being the lead sled-dogs for other groups along for the ride.

Extremists also provide Overton Window acceptability-cover for those other groups in the rear. Like the way Nazi-Fox News makes the other CIA-CFR networks look normal by comparison.

They provide a vaguely foreign influence for right-wing critics of imperialism like Buchanan and the Paulistas to scapegoat, and unfortunately many on the left have fallen for the same view.


As in, the 'inside job' really is an INSIDE job.
The USG pulls its own strings and ours, too.

The Council on Foreign Relations, Carlyle Group, Rand, SRI, CIA and DIA, Heritage Foundation etc.... are not all being pushed around by AIPAC, much as AIPAC would hope it could for the sake of Israel's defense.

'Ex-CIA' Ray McGovern also pushes the 'too much Israeli influence' line while he gets big mouthpiece footprint :? in the anti-war movement. That guy....

BTW, JR-
RI's Alice the Kurious tells us she is in Egypt.
This geographic proximity might be a large part of her vehemently Israel-centric expressions of outrage over the problems and suffering in that part of the world that you've reacted to as being simplistic or obsessive or worse.

This board has been divided and painstakingly put back together over defining "Jew-Israeli-Zionist" many times. We've even had provocateurs pretending (I think) to be BNP/Hlcst denier-types to stir things up. It works really well, unfortunately.

So your historical-informative approach is appreciated.
You've probably noticed that AliceTK has a database to assert, too.

There's plenty to be learned with enough time to read...whew. :idea:
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Postby bks » Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:37 pm

Mr. Cheney got the prize of USA-CEO after a stolen election engineered by the alternate, privatized CIA created under Papa Bush's aegis in the 1970s


Help me out with this part of it, Jack. In 2000, I recall the Bush strategy focused on winning Ohio and Florida. In the latter case, he had corrupt cronies in key places (including his brother the governor) that were able to (almost) tip the scales (remember, he still actually would have lost if the votes were counted) by using the instruments of state for outright perfidy (Katherine Harris' ordering of the purging of 'future criminals' exposed by Palast, for the clearest example). With all that, it still took Tony and the Supremes to deliver the election.

Where does the CIA engineering come in?
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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:27 pm

bks wrote:
Mr. Cheney got the prize of USA-CEO after a stolen election engineered by the alternate, privatized CIA created under Papa Bush's aegis in the 1970s


Help me out with this part of it, Jack. In 2000, I recall the Bush strategy focused on winning Ohio and Florida. In the latter case, he had corrupt cronies in key places (including his brother the governor) that were able to (almost) tip the scales (remember, he still actually would have lost if the votes were counted) by using the instruments of state for outright perfidy (Katherine Harris' ordering of the purging of 'future criminals' exposed by Palast, for the clearest example). With all that, it still took Tony and the Supremes to deliver the election.

Where does the CIA engineering come in?


Media cover and get-away car.

The entire campaign year the CIA-media had been dissing Gore and puffing Dubya.
Then the process of Republican staffers ganging up to stop the vote recount was not reported.
No fraud was reported and the absurd 'butterfly ballot' was reported as "those incompetent poor people and seniors just can't vote."

And they never did report what Greg Palast found about Katherine Harris contracting with DBT/Choicepoint to get voter rolls purged by the tens of thousands.
http://www.gregpalast.com/the-great-florida-ex-con-gamernhow-the-felon-voter-purge-was-itself-felonious

Just as the CIA-media are not reporting on the widespread electronic voting machine fraud ever since.
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Re: The Bush regime came with its in-built conspiracy theory

Postby Pazdispenser » Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:40 pm

JackRiddler wrote:Now if there's a model of a company that would develop the vision and understanding of a more general interest relating to oil, the oil-based world economy and its relation to U.S. imperial geostrategy, well... you might expect that in an industrial services company, say a pipeline builder that does business with all major oil companies and simultaneously with the Pentagon (designated officially as the ultimate guardian of the oil flow since the days of the Carter Doctrine).

I can think of one such company that fits this description exactly. This company, Halliburton, happened to place its CEO (who is still legally on its payroll!) as the current vice-president-cum-emperor behind the scenes.


Absolutement!

I love to throw this concept at those who refute govt involvement in 9/11. Cui bono? Well, the S&P500 has increased by 20% since 9/11. How much do you think HAL (the stock symbol for Halliburton) has grown?

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Wait for it.....
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Over 500%.

Cui bono indeed.
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Postby JackRiddler » Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:26 am

bks:

Not the official CIA.

I mean the Bush mob - called the "rogue CIA" by Joe Trento, so I adopted that here as near-synonymous. Sorry, the thing I always see first when I see the Bushes is a CIA family going back to Prescott and George Sr.'s Zapata Oil. Trento's "rogue CIA" is the thing that originated in Bush's time as head of the CIA. What oversight and public scandal there was forced a reorganization, a privatization, different forms of finance and organizational models like "the Enterprise." The 800 covert operators fired by Carter (no I don't know their names - not declassified) provided many of the soldiers who lined up with Bush. They were able to come back in under Reagan. They ran riot with the Iran-Contra and related dealings and the S&L plunder.

And what I know of how they engineered 2000 is what you know - Jeb and Kathryn, Choicepoint and the voter roll purges, the cousin who called it for Bush, Bolton stopping the recount, the Brooks Brothers riot in Miami, consigliere Baker as front man, finally the Supremes.

But yeah, I do often entertain the working assumption that the CIA (& the spook world it spawned) has tentacles engineering and scripting U.S. politics, Congress (especially the intel committees) and the mockingbird media.

Why, you think I've lost it?
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Postby JackRiddler » Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:31 am

Hey, Hugh:

I know I can search for it, but what's an Overton Window?
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Postby compared2what? » Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:15 am

An Overton window is moving the goal posts of political possibility. Developed in a thinktank in MI, by a guy who has since died in a small plane crash.

Charles Overton, I believe, but am not certain.
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Postby compared2what? » Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:17 am

Or JOE Overton. Per wiki:

The Overton Window is a concept in political theory, named after the former vice president of the Mackinac Center for Public Policy, Joe Overton, who developed the model. It describes a "window" in the range of public reactions to ideas in public discourse, in a spectrum of all possible options on an issue. Overton described a method for moving that window, thereby including previously excluded ideas, while excluding previously acceptable ideas. The technique relies on people promoting ideas even less acceptable than the previous "outer fringe" ideas. That makes those old fringe ideas look less extreme, and thereby acceptable. Delivering rhetoric to define the window provides a plan of action to make more acceptable to the public some ideas by priming them with other ideas allowed to remain unacceptable, but which make the real target ideas seem more acceptable by comparison.

The degrees of acceptance of public ideas can be described roughly as:

* Unthinkable
* Radical
* Acceptable
* Sensible
* Popular
* Policy

The Overton Window is a means of visualizing which ideas define that range of acceptance by where they fall in it, and adding new ideas that can push the old ideas towards acceptance merely by making the limits more extreme.
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Postby compared2what? » Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:23 am

"No Child Left Behind" is a very Overton-Window-style piece of legislation, for example. Advocacy for school vouchers equally so. Both move public opinion toward acceptance of something other than universal and equal access to the public school system.
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Postby Sounder » Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:49 am

Jack wrote...
The point, finally, is that too many who oppose the Bush agenda (and the long-running imperialism of which it is but a particularly criminal phase) take the neocons and the "Zionist lobby" and the "Straussians" (total construct) out of context as the primary villains. They are not. They are one element in the whole. The particular function they serve so willingly is to provide the ultra-extremism that makes the other madmen look sane as they implement the overall agenda. They provide a vaguely foreign influence for right-wing critics of imperialism like Buchanan and the Paulistas to scapegoat, and unfortunately many on the left have fallen for the same view.


Excellent example of what makes dis-information work. They play with our pretenses.


Hugh, thanks for bringing up that Overton window idea. I had never heard of it and it makes so much sense as another S.O.P.

If we examined our own pretenses as well as the cryptic agencies do we would all be enlightened.
All these things will continue as long as coercion remains a central element of our mentality.
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Talk shows as Overton Window devices.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:03 pm

JackRiddler wrote:.....
But yeah, I do often entertain the working assumption that the CIA (& the spook world it spawned) has tentacles engineering and scripting U.S. politics, Congress (especially the intel committees) and the mockingbird media.

Why, you think I've lost it?


Overton's Window has been now defined for us thanks to the perfectly named compared2what? 8)

Operation Mockingbird uses the Overton Window to defenestrate progressive ideas
and manuever their own candidate into power.

That's the left wing of the CIA debating the right wing of the CIA."
—Timothy Leary, discussing CNN's "Crossfire," ca. 1992
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