Paul McCartney as a rigorous intuition subject.

[vince]

The negative framing is the most obvious element to the username indictment
"IAMAPHONEY" combined with all the dark satanism referrences.

Interesting. But, wouldn't this site be a little more famous by now, if that were true. It's surely not as popular as Sarah Silverman singing about having sex with Matt Damon.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

The negative framing is the most obvious element to the username indictment
"IAMAPHONEY" combined with all the dark satanism referrences.

Interesting. But, wouldn't this site be a little more famous by now, if that were true. It's surely not as popular as Sarah Silverman singing about having sex with Matt Damon.

Just another drop of culture war humidity right now I suppose. But 'Across the Universe' is still in play. And here's today's ISP clue-

Yahoo
Today's Top Searches

1. Madonna
2. Salvia Divinorum
3. Forbidden Kingdom
4. Tina Louise
5. Beatles Songs

6. Billy Crystal
7. John Cho
8. Andre Carson
9. George Strait
10. Templeton Prize

This page has more info on the 'Paul is Dead' rumor phrase in one spot than I've ever seen-
http://xdell.blogspot.com/search/label/Paul-Is-Dead

There's a Camel cigarette brand display down at my local convenience store for 'No. 9' smokes.

That's a helluva way to coopt and eliminate the "Revolution" in the White Album's 'Revolution Number Nine.'

Here the NYTimes directs us to a different song association, 'Love Potion Number Nine.'
But I doubt many equate smoking with a "love potion" despite the ancient movie cliche of the after-sex smoke.

A much stronger mnemonic association for the all-desireable young smoker is the rocker rebel image that the Beatles' 'Revolution Number Nine' evokes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/15/business/media/15adco.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin

A New Camel Brand Is Dressed to the Nines

By STUART ELLIOTT
Published: February 15, 2007

THE next time R. J. Reynolds Tobacco asks smokers to walk a mile for a Camel, watch how many of them are in high heels.

Tony Cenicola/The New York Times

Camel No. 9 cigarettes will come in a package that is hot-pink fuchsia and minty-green teal, with the slogan, “Light and luscious.”

Reynolds, eager to increase the sales of its fast-growing Camel brand among women, is introducing a variety aimed at female smokers. The new variation, Camel No. 9, has a name that evokes women’s fragrances like Chanel No. 19, as well as a song about romance, “Love Potion No. 9.”

[vince]

Not only that, but I'd love to see a crowd chanting "No. 9, No.9, No.9" whenever Mr. Spitzer came around!

[IanEye]

Vince,
if you want to do some interesting research, cross reference the film "Rosemary's Baby" and the trip the Beatles made to India to visit the Maharishi. Make sure to factor in the Maharishi's other guests at the time.....

The Bramford.

Can you take me back where I came from?
Can you take me back.....

[vince]

Yup, I've heard all about the story of Mia and the maharishi.
Never saw "R'sB" but i did see "the Ninth Gate".
Once agian, I'm more interested in this exashtive series of spooky videos.

[compared2what?]

(1) I think the piggyback, branding-by-association implication for Camel No. 9 is primarily Chanel (and possibly other products/entities not occurring to me now).

(2) The Times does not know what its talking about when it comes to the mass-cultural matrix of which it is part. That's always worth bearing in mind.

(3) "Love Potion Number Nine" is not applicable, imo. But if applicable, and if we must read the subtext of pop songs for their subliminal conditioning content, connotes LSD, not post-coital smoking. ("I didn't know if it was day or night/I started kissing everything in sight/But then I met a cop down at 34th and Vine/He broke my little bottle of Love Potion Number Nine.")

It's a Leiber-Stoller song, and an obvious repurposing of an R&B narrative best known in the form of the much-covered "Fortuneteller," which was written by New Orleans native Allen Toussaint, who had a local reason to think along such story lines, though that song is really just a love song, a la: Boy meets girl, girl casts spell of love that dimwit boy is slow to recognize, boy marries girl, boy is happy fella, married to the fortune-tella.

(4) "Revolution 9" doesn't and never has suggested political revolution for better or worse. It is a scary-sounding song whether played backward or forward, but it's about medium, not message -- ie, avant aural bricolage.

"Revolution," the single, is a commentary on current events that does not take an explicit precise position wrt political revolution, although it seems to reject violent revolution. ("But when you talk about destruction, don't you know that you can count me out.") Also, it rocks the electric guitar.

Speaking only for myself, at the time of its release, I definitely understood "Revolution," the album track ("Don't you know that you can count me out/in") as authorization from John Lennon, whom I revered, to consider armed overthrow of the state as a legitimate option, though not an a priori endorsement of which way to opt. However, I was then only eight years old. In the present, owing to the psuedo-doo-wop back-up vocals and overall presentation, delivery, etc., I understand it more as an ironic commentary on current events that, in itself, neither endorses nor opposes any position.

Close reading. I love it.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

(1) I think the piggyback, branding-by-association implication for Camel No. 9 is primarily Chanel (and possibly other products/entities not occurring to me now).

(2) The Times does not know what its talking about when it comes to the mass-cultural matrix of which it is part. That's always worth bearing in mind.

(3) "Love Potion Number Nine" is not applicable, imo. But if applicable, and if we must read the subtext of pop songs for their subliminal conditioning content, connotes LSD, not post-coital smoking. ("I didn't know if it was day or night/I started kissing everything in sight/But then I met a cop down at 34th and Vine/He broke my little bottle of Love Potion Number Nine.")

It's a Leiber-Stoller song, and an obvious repurposing of an R&B narrative best known in the form of the much-covered "Fortuneteller," which was written by New Orleans native Allen Toussaint, who had a local reason to think along such story lines, though that song is really just a love song, a la: Boy meets girl, girl casts spell of love that dimwit boy is slow to recognize, boy marries girl, boy is happy fella, married to the fortune-tella.

(4) "Revolution 9" doesn't and never has suggested political revolution for better or worse. It is a scary-sounding song whether played backward or forward, but it's about medium, not message -- ie, avant aural bricolage.

"Revolution," the single, is a commentary on current events that does not take an explicit precise position wrt political revolution, although it seems to reject violent revolution. ("But when you talk about destruction, don't you know that you can count me out.") Also, it rocks the electric guitar.

Speaking only for myself, at the time of its release, I definitely understood "Revolution," the album track ("Don't you know that you can count me out/in") as authorization from John Lennon, whom I revered, to consider armed overthrow of the state as a legitimate option, though not an a priori endorsement of which way to opt. However, I was then only eight years old. In the present, owing to the psuedo-doo-wop back-up vocals and overall presentation, delivery, etc., I understand it more as an ironic commentary on current events that, in itself, neither endorses nor opposes any position.

Close reading. I love it.

All good comments, c2w.

But folks know titles and not much about the meaning of lyrics.
Maybe the first line -- "You say you want a revolution. Well, y'know. We all want to change the world."

Remember we are looking into the abyss of H.R. 1955, the thought crimes bill being sold as "Radicalization and Homegrown Prevention Act."

So just the word "revolution" is worth masking and replacing despite Lennon's later lyrical admonitions against "destruction" and "Chairman Mao."

I just looked at the video store's shelves and found three new videos with "9" in the title or on the pictogram cover.

I wondered if spooks knew Spitzer was "customer #9" for a long time and wanted to retrigger it for (s)election 2008 but then I considered that one of the common anti-war tactics is to hijack and diffuse keywords and catchphrases of resistance.

Like Revolution Number Nine.

[compared2what?]

Not only that, but I'd love to see a crowd chanting "No. 9, No.9, No.9" whenever Mr. Spitzer came around!

You made me laugh, Not-Dead-Man.

Hugh -- maybe they don't know more than the titles. But if that's the case, I would prefer to educate them on the nuances of their own heritage -- for its own sake, as well as in order to inoculate them against misappropriation by potentially destructive forces -- than to yield an inch of territory on what the work means to me by making that secondary to what it means to propagandists in thought, word, or deed. Because that is land the appraisal value of which is beyond price.

Popular music, is, after all, popular. That's not the same as populist, but it can be a springboard to it.

[compared2what?]

Not that everyone has to adhere to a fixed intepretation as judged by me.

By educate, I mean "accustom to thinking about in social and historical context," etc.

Also, I think I misquoted lyrics of LPN-9. This is still from memory, but I think it's "kissed a cop," not "met a cop." Also bottle might then be broken, taken, or stolen. Can't remember, don't have time to check, and there are many versions. Just wouldn't want to mislead.

[orz]

And here's today's ISP clue-

No.

[IanEye]

I took my troubles down to Madame Ruth
You know that gypsy with the gold-capped tooth
She's got a pad down on Thirty-Fourth and Vine
Sellin' little bottles of Love Potion Number Nine

I told her that I was a flop with chicks
I'd been this way since 1956
She looked at my palm and she made a magic sign
She said "What you need is Love Potion Number Nine"

She bent down and turned around and gave me a wink
She said "I'm gonna make it up right here in the sink"
It smelled like turpentine, it looked like India Ink
I held my nose, I closed my eyes, I took a drink
(this is my favorite part)

I didn't know if it was day or night
I started kissin' everything in sight
But when I kissed a cop down on Thirty-Fourth and Vine
He broke my little bottle of Love Potion Number Nine


I held my nose, I closed my eyes, I took a drink

I didn't know if it was day or night
I started kissin' everything in sight
But when I kissed a cop down on Thirty-Fourth and Vine
He broke my little bottle of Love Potion Number Nine
Love Potion Number Nine
Love Potion Number Nine
Love Potion Number Nine

This song is on the "American Graffitti" soundtrack, which I listened to over and over again as a child.

"American Graffitti" was directed, of course, by George Lucas.
(steps away slowly....)

[streeb]

American Graffiti - a stabilization exercise capitalizing on nostalgia for pre-assassination-era innocence, of course ("where were you in 62?")

Paul LeMat, who will always be John Milner to me, was part of an ad-hoc Hollywood group that attempted to investigate the killing of RFK, incidentally, because of the LAPD's clear failure in that regard. Robert Vaughn, too.

[vince]

Yeah, I don't want to be one of 'those guys', but I don't want this thread to stray from the fact that there's this guy who's made a 'butt-load' of videos that, in my opinion, make Paul seem like Johnny Favorite from "Angel Heart"!

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

.....
Love Potion Number Nine[/i]

This song is on the "American Graffitti" soundtrack, which I listened to over and over again as a child.

I played and sang the soundtrack to death. I drank that doo-wop medicine deep.

"American Graffitti" was directed, of course, by George Lucas.
(steps away slowly....)

whew.
The slogan for 'Graffitti' and the feel good nostalgia was the medication-
"Where were you in '62?"
Y'know, before your ideals were decapitated.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Yeah, I don't want to be one of 'those guys', but I don't want this thread to stray from the fact that there's this guy who's made a 'butt-load' of videos that, in my opinion, make Paul seem like Johnny Favorite from "Angel Heart"!

Woa. Well put. Stark image.

And since ya mentioned it, Vince, I gotta point out that there's JFK memes galore in 'Angel Heart'-
-Multiple deaths in New Orleans
-visiting a mental hospital
-surprise 'lone killer' ending.
Even the name 'Angel' is part of the cover-up because of Silvia Odio who was visited in Dallas by Oswald along with "Angel and Leopoldo"....but that's another thread.

Read Dick Russell's 'The Man Who Knew Too Much' which I cited in the 'Buckaroo Bonzai' thread. Then 'Angel Heart' will make more sense.