UK top cop who led CIA rendition probe found dead

[Joe Hillshoist]

Oh my word. That Colorado judge on the Qwest case is simply deranged. I take back the implication that he was set up, and submit this link in its stead:

http://www.knowyourcourts.com/Nottingham/Nottingham.htm

Sat around chambers looking at porn and dismissing suits without reading them, apparently.

My father knew a Supreme Court judge like that in Tasmania. Used to go to his chambers to jerk off after passing judgements and sentences too.

[slow_dazzle]

Sources said Mr Todd was found lying down on a sloping track next to a bottle of spirits.

Sounds like he might have taken something. Poor devil.

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[compared2what?]

Oh my word. That Colorado judge on the Qwest case is simply deranged. I take back the implication that he was set up, and submit this link in its stead:

http://www.knowyourcourts.com/Nottingham/Nottingham.htm

Sat around chambers looking at porn and dismissing suits without reading them, apparently.

My father knew a Supreme Court judge like that in Tasmania. Used to go to his chambers to jerk off after passing judgements and sentences too.

Off-topic video for you at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW1EV5H7Ru8

The subject of this thread did not kill himself over wimmin-trouble, imo.

[Hammer of Los]

Dead on a mountainside, shades of Robin Cook.

On Wednesday it emerged he had sent a series of "worrying" text messages before his death.

The alarm was raised after he sent the messages to various people, which caused concern for their safety and his own, the BBC has learnt.

When did he send these text messages? "Before his death," according to the BBC - well it's not likely he sent them after his death, is it? Very vague. What was the content of these "alarming" messages? Other people were concerned for their safety? Who were the recipients of the messages? Did he threaten them? If so, why? Or was he trying to warn them of a threat posed by someone else? If so, who?

His body was found on part of the mountain called Bwlch Glas at about 1500 GMT, with some of his outer clothes missing.

Sources said Mr Todd was found lying down on a sloping track next to a bottle of spirits.

Who found the body? How long had he lain there? Were the missing clothes at the scene or nowhere to be found? Had he gone walking alone?

The BBC piece poses more questions than it provides answers.

Maybe it was just suicide. Maybe he decided to go up the mountain in poor weather, down a bottle of scotch, and take his outer clothes off, knowing full well he would likely die of hypothermia. On the other hand, you could threaten someone with a gun quite easily to force them to drink and remove some clothing, then simply wait for them to pass out, knowing full well their inevitable death from hypothermia could be spun as suicide. But I always say stuff like that. Now if Tom Mangold appears claiming to be a close friend of the deceased, asserting that he was seriously depressed and considering suicide, I will be suspicious. The spooky Mr Mangold has recently done a Radio 4 programme on the FBI and JE Hoover - I kept waiting to hear him described as a cross-dressing freemason, but alas I was disappointed. Er, I'm rambling now.

ps Orz, I did originally refer to the BBC as "spook-infested," but realised that I might "hurt the english language." After all, a place might be infested with bugs, but not spooks. So I changed it to "spook-haunted." Phew, the english language can rest peacefully tonight. Thanks to you Orz, I have reaffirmed my commitment to higher quality writing.

[yathrib]

Only question: How did he shoot himself in the back from 10 feet away?

[AhabsOtherLeg]

Only question: How did he shoot himself in the back from 10 feet away?

It's weird, but only top investigators, judges, politicians, journalists, leftist leaders, or people who've undergone covert experimentation seem able to do that kind of thing! It's a talent that's just not given to everybody.

Auto-asphyxiating for sexual kicks while handcuffed or hogtied is another great talent these people share (that's when you know MI6, or Johnathan Aitken/Adnan Kashoggi, are involved rather than MI5 or CIA).

This one reminded me not only of Robin Cook, but of the old, old case of Willie McRae. The half-bottle of spirits (but no blood-alcohol) seems to be some kind of trademark. Even stranger that McRae had no alcohol in his system, as he was a notorious boozer.
http://news.scotsman.com/scottishnation ... 2791306.jp

Luposapien said: "Maybe he just wanted to make it look like the CIA killed him.... "



Yeah, these guys are just playing with us now.

He was "widely tipped to take over from Sir Ian Blair as Metropolitan Police Commissioner" according to The Telegraph. Now that would've given him access to even more bad stuff than he must've already known about (presumably a top Manchester cop would have the lowdown on what really went on in the John Stalker affair - but to be briefed on what really happened to Menezes or the role of Visor Consultants on 7/7 would be a big step up - or down, depending on his humanity levels).

[compared2what?]

On Wednesday it emerged he had sent a series of "worrying" text messages before his death.

The alarm was raised after he sent the messages to various people, which caused concern for their safety and his own, the BBC has learnt.

.........the BBC piece poses more questions than it provides answers.........

ps Orz, I did originally refer to the BBC as "spook-infested," but realised that I might "hurt the english language." After all, a place might be infested with bugs, but not spooks. So I changed it to "spook-haunted." Phew, the english language can rest peacefully tonight. Thanks to you Orz, I have reaffirmed my commitment to higher quality writing.

Among them: Doth the busy BBC always write "learnt"? How about "spelt"? Contemporary common American usage retains very few such relics of the era of English regular verb declension that -- Strooth! -- to the best of my recollection were still sometimes in effect during my childhood. We still say "felt" not "feeled," and "thought" not "thinked." But they are irregular.

Were I copy-chief of the world, "spook-infested" would be fine with me. I assert that "spook" meaning "spy" is at this point in the process of language as a living thing, a noun that originated as a metaphor rather than a metaphor itself. It hath not, therefore, any mixed-metaphor potential merely as a word serving in tandem with another to which it has been adjectivally yoked by a hyphen.

Doth any otherwise contendeth? If so, state thine case. Or, if doing so en masse, "thy."

[compared2what?]

By the way, that's "realized" with a "z". Filthy furners with your filthy furn wayz.

[AhabsOtherLeg]

Who went and mentioned "acceleration" in these mysterious deaths?!

"Press Assoc. - 52 minutes ago

A man whose body was found washed ashore on the exclusive seaside enclave of Sandbanks was a police inspector.
(Advertisement)

The body of Bournemouth Inspector Neil Munro, 43, was found in a garden along Panorama Road, nicknamed Millionaire's Row, in Dorset, Bournemouth Police said.

A gardener is reported to have found the man under a jetty belonging to a multimillion-pound seafront mansion.

The owners of the house called police and the property was sealed off.

Mr Munro, who was married with a young son, was found fully-clothed.

His death is being treated as "unexplained" and a post-mortem was being carried out to find out how he died.

A Dorset Police spokesman said: "At this stage the circumstances of Inspector Munro's death, understood to have taken place while he was off duty, are unexplained and an investigation is under way."

Chief Constable Martin Baker said: "The whole of the force has been deeply shocked by the news and our thoughts are very much with Neil's family at this time.

"Neil had served with Dorset Police for 20 years. He had a huge impact on policing here in Bournemouth and across the force.

"Mr Munro had been section inspector in charge of north Bournemouth for the past two-and-a-half years and previously worked at Poole, Ferndown, Gravel Hill and in the air support unit at Dorset Police headquarters in Winfrith.""
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/pressass/20080313/tuk-police-officer-s-body-washed-ashore-6323e80.html

Probably unrelated (in fact, almost certainly) but I couldn't resist posting it anyway. [On Edit, maybe not totally unrelated - Peter Power was once Chief of Dorset Police at a time when Munro would've been serving at the Winfrith headquarters, Winfrith also being home to one of the UKAEA's biggest research centres. There was a scandal with Power at that time that has never been fully explained to my knowledge, in spite of FOI requests: http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/j7-exclusi ... nsion.html ]

Forgot this, getting back to Micheal Todd:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/pressass/20080 ... 23e80.html

"The inquest was also told there was no evidence of any major injury to his body with no signs of him jumping to his death."

Not much alcohol in his blood either. Maybe he really did just freeze or something, but you'd think if you were intending to do that you'd at least want to finish the bottle.

[Hammer of Los]

The blood alcohol has been described by BBC Radio 4 (which I listen to nearly all day every day) as twice the legal driving limit, which would, I think, be at most a half a bottle of (75cl) Scotch, quite possibly less. They also mentioned that there were minor scratches to his hands and face.

It may very well be suicide, or a half-hearted suicide attempt that went wrong (right?) or simply some sort of tragic accident.

But of course, you know in my heart of hearts that I suspect FOUL PLAY! It's just the reflexive attitude of the die-hard tinfoil-hatter, I'm afraid.

[AhabsOtherLeg]

From the Press Association, Friday, March 14 02:02 am:

"British special forces troops were involved in the investigation of a man who alleges he was tortured by US agents while held in secret jails for a period of nearly three years, it has been claimed in a report released by Amnesty International.

The claim led to renewed calls from the human rights group for the UK Government to allow a thorough, independent inquiry into all aspects of British involvement with secret "war on terror" detentions, including so-called rendition flights.

There is no suggestion in the report that British troops were themselves involved in torture or interrogation of the man, a Yemeni national who says he was detained by US troops during a sweep of a market place in the Iraqi city of Fallujah in 2004.

But Amnesty noted that the UK personnel apparently did nothing to raise the alarm about the man's alleged mistreatment at the hands of American interrogators.

The latest report is based on the testimony of Khaled al-Maqtari, a 31-year-old former merchant, who says he was severely tortured while being held in three prisons before his release without charge in May 2007.

Its publication comes just weeks after Foreign Secretary David Miliband admitted to Parliament that, contrary to earlier denials, the UK territory of Diego Garcia had been used by US rendition flights carrying detainees.

Amnesty International UK director Kate Allen said: "Slowly but surely more information about the ultra-secretive US 'war on terror' detentions operation is trickling out and Khaled al-Maqtari's extremely serious allegations must be met with a serious investigation by both the US and UK authorities.

"A full independent inquiry on both sides of the Atlantic into secret prisons and rendition flights is long overdue and should now happen as soon as possible.

"If his allegations are substantiated, Mr al-Maqtari's tormentors must be brought to justice and he should receive proper reparation for his horrifying ordeal."

Guess who won't be available to give evidence if this ever reaches court?

Thinking about it logically, though, there is no reason why the detainee would be alive and Michael Todd would be dead, unless there was something much bigger expected to be coming down the pipe sometime soon.

[Hammer of Los]

Radio 4 this morning reported that Sir Ian Blair was the one who initiated the search for Mr Todd, after being informed directly about one of those "alarming" text messages sent to a woman police officer.

Maybe he did commit suicide over a romantic affair turned sour.

[Searcher08]

A friend with contacts in North Wales said he was having *three* affairs with women police officers and this was about to come into the open.


One research study found that the suicide rate among police
officers was three times higher than that of the general
population.3 In addition, an unpublished research report recently
found that the police suicide rate now has doubled.4

police officers are killing themselves faster than they are being killed by
criminals.

http://www.fbi.gov/publications/leb/1996/oct966.txt

[Stephen Morgan]

[quote="AhabsOtherLegIt's weird, but only top investigators, judges, politicians, journalists, leftist leaders, or people who've undergone covert experimentation seem able to do that kind of thing! It's a talent that's just not given to everybody. [/quote]

Which makes me wonder what was really going on at Deepcut barracks (I believe the decision has now been made to shut the place down) where several young recruits "committed suicide" including one who shot himself in the head, in the customary fashion, twice.

[compared2what?]

I'd say that the statistical likelihood that any man who's having simultaneous affairs with three women is at all concerned about romantic matters is close to zero out of infinity.

In terms of motivating factors, I'd also rate the prospective consequences of public exposure (humilation, loss of livelihood, pain to family, etc.) as not very likely.

It does suggest addictive and/or compulsive tendencies, though, so could be his death redeemed gambling debts or something of that nature, whether it occurred by his hand or his creditor's. Or maybe that he was the target of a blackmail attempt over some dark and incriminating secret that wasn't directly related to the sexual indiscretions, except in the sense that you're increasingly more likely to get sloppy about hiding the key to your dark and incriminating secret under the doormat on a consistent basis when you're already expending the time and energy it takes to fuck three women than when you're not.

Or....if the women had children, he might not have made a distinction between what was in-bounds and what wasn't when he was on scent-marked territory. That's highly compatible with sex addiction/compulsion and also a credible motivation for suicide, whether prompted by blackmail or just a recurrent-remittent state of emotional/moral clarity.

If he were really old-school upper-class, I guess it might have been required by the gentleman's code of honor. That feels a little too Great War to be true to me. But I'm not a native or a member of the American upper class, such as it is.

Whatevs. The information that's public doesn't suggest suicide from my POV. But there's not much information to be going by, and I'm just spinning scenarios that match the facts as reported. The pertinent data set could be related to gazillion factors in the realm of that vast an unknown.








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