This Is How I Believe 9/11 Was Carried Out

[8bitagent]

haven't had time to read your post in any detail but I will do - have saved it as a PDF.

I probably won't agree with the woo bits. However, I'll read them because it deserves no less.

You have probably read Dr Peter Dale Scott's "The Road to 911". If you haven't read it twice at least. Damned good piece of writing (I might have misspelled "piece" - I always get that "i" before "e" except after "c" thingy mixed up)

Thanks for taking the time and effort to pull this together. There's a lot of work in there.

You know, I haven't read that yet. I really want to, as he really pours through a rich contextual history and backbone that I feel books by DRG and others tend to lack. He really lays out a fascinating look at the conditions that provide the womb for which 9/11 was to grow.

It's hard to contextualize the entire breadth of the *real* provable 9/11 story, from 1979 til 2001 when it comes to the hijackers, terror networks, intelligence, money funelling, etc without major condensing.

But I try to see the pattern...from the MAK to the neocon-turkish-israeli-pakistani isi nexus and the post bcci networks

As for the woo, well I guess it's akin to scholars trying to step back from the detectivework or politics, and see it from a more...symbolic light.

[OP ED]

"or when sounding like 'a' as in..."

i learned it from peanuts.

woo follows.

crowley's entire initiation system is backdropped on a system of elevens. the various nodes of consciousness, or degrees are all elevens. it is important for attempts to map out these nodes on various symbolic backdrops [ideally porportioned humans, trees, boats, stars, etc have all been used, even buildings, especially star cult objects].
1* = 10"
2* = 9"
3* = 8"
...etc.

when mapped onto human proportions they roughly follow taoist alchemical acupuncture meridians. ninjas kill you using these.

[8bitagent]

"or when sounding like 'a' as in..."

i learned it from peanuts.

woo follows.

crowley's entire initiation system is backdropped on a system of elevens. the various nodes of consciousness, or degrees are all elevens. it is important for attempts to map out these nodes on various symbolic backdrops [ideally porportioned humans, trees, boats, stars, etc have all been used, even buildings, especially star cult objects].
1* = 10"
2* = 9"
3* = 8"
...etc.

when mapped onto human proportions they roughly follow taoist alchemical acupuncture meridians. ninjas kill you using these.

Very interesting...

http://www.dymaxionweb.com/kulturedrome ... 05_09.html

“In April 2001, Bert Rodriguez took on a new student. His name was Ziad Jarrah. Ziad just turned up at the US 1 Fitness Center one day and said he had heard that Bert was good. Why Ziad chose Bert, of all the martial arts instructors scattered around the Florida shoreline, is a matter of speculation. Maybe Bert’s uniquely occultic reputation preceded him, or perhaps it was Bert’s military connections. Plus, Bert had once taught the head of security for a Saudi prince. Maybe that was it.”

Ziad Jarrah presented himself as a Lebanese businessman, who traveled a great deal and wanted to protect himself. “I liked Ziad a lot,” Rodriguez later told Ronson. “He was very humble, very quiet. He was in good shape. Very diligent.” Rodriguez taught Jarrah “the choke hold and the kamikaze spirit. You need a code you’d die for, a do-or-die desire.” Rodriguez added, “Ziad was like Luke Skywalker. You know when Luke walks the invisible path? You have to believe it’s there. And if you do believe it it is there. Yeah, Ziad believed it. He was like Luke Skywalker.”

Rodriguez trained Ziad Jarrah for six months, and gave him copies of several knife-fighting books he had written. Jarrah shared them with a friend, Marwan al-Shehhi, who boarded with him at the Panther Motel and Apartments in Deerfield Beach, Fla.

On Sept. 11, 2001, Ziad Jarrah took control of United Airlines flight 93, and crashed it in a field in Pennsylvania. Marwan al-Shehhi commandeered United Airlines flight 175 and crashed it into the South Tower of the World Trade Center in lower Manhattan.

Ziad Jarrah appeared to want to learn the esoteric mystery of one touch kills, according to other articles I've read. Very strange

The layout of Egyptian mystery schools researchers now believe were mapped out like a human skeletal body system. Both the system you mention above, Fibonacci number sequences, etc seemed to be known by the Egyptian mystery beliefs.

But as someone familiar with the works of Crowley, I am curious what your take on the numbers 11, 77, 93 and 175 would be

[8bitagent]

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[timetunneler]

Crowley's book of lies looks to have had 93 chapters... and he apparently used the number 77 to refer to one of mistresses (Layla). Here's a site that mentions those numbers and some others:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/lib333.htm

Here's a quote...

"...None the less, I could point to some solid
achievement on the large scale, although it is com-
posed of more or less disconnected elements. I refer
to THE BOOK OF LIES. In this there are 93 chapters:
we count as a chapter the two pages filled re-
respectively with a note of interrogation and a mark of
exclamation. The other chapters contain sometimes a
single word, more frequently from a half-dozen to
twenty paragraphs. The subject of each chapter is
determined more or less definitely by the Qabalistic
import of its number. Thus Chapter 25 gives a revised
ritual of the Pentagram; 72 is a rondel with the refrain
~Shemhamphorash', the Divine name of 72 letters;
77 Laylah, whose name adds to that number; and
80, the number of the letter Pe, referred to Mars, a
panegyric upon War. "

But the number 11 is still basically a lunar/solar separation number whether or not Crowley knew it or not. I get the feeling that this "magick" stuff is a corruption of work by earlier groups who were studying astrology numbers in the Bible and middle writings. And later groups like Crowley, just took the numbers to magic in and of themselves without understanding where the symbolism came from.

[8bitagent]

And later groups like Crowley, just took the numbers to magic in and of themselves without understanding where the symbolism came from.

Perhaps..tho again it seems to me people like Manly P Hall had an even deeper context of the mysteries from around the world.

Anyways, I apologize to 9/11 researchers if my ultimately Fortean "woo" tarnishes my 'by the books' approach to researching the 1979-2001 arteries and roadmaps of how 9/11 came to be. I just feel strongly that the "truth" behind 9/11 is more complex than "CD", "neocons" and all that.

[timetunneler]

Two more interesting sites on Bible numerology i just found. One has some nice diagrams. Will have to check out later.

http://numerologist.tribe.net/thread/e1 ... 3ebfa2a3d7
http://www.biblewheel.com/GR/GR_LogosStar.asp

[Perelandra]

They CHOSE the date 9/11/2001 many ages ago. It is Tyr, Mars. Day of War. "9" and "11" are the councils and numbers that float through the occult and Fortean mystery ether like wine and roses.

David Rockefeller and the Bin Laden Construction star Yamasaki created the towers, occult symbolism built in just like the 9/11/1941 constructed Pentagon...which itself represents many mysteries. The Twin Towers
are the Tarot Tower, the Solomonic Jachin and Boaz towers, the number 11. Male/female duality with the big antenna being male. WTC1 North was hit first, then south in accordance with mystery ritual.

They chose Flights 11, 77, 93 and 175 because of their Qabbalist and Esoteric numerical symbolism.

Flight 11 slams into the 11 shaped 110 story towers on 9/11, 11 years after Bush Sr's NWO speech, 11 years before 2012. The Freedom obelisk tower RISES on the souls of 3000 in 2012, at 1776 feet.

The phallic planes with their chose numbers are done for sex magick.
Flight 77 into the 77 foot pentagon, Flight 11 slamming into 11 shaped towers. 175, the power of VENUS, slams into WTC 2 over and over and over and over on our tv screens. ALL under the watch of the 2001 Space Oddyssey Black Monolith Millennium Hilton and the Ishtar Stature of Liberty.

9/11 was designed to inflict maximum psychological trauma. And it seemed so familiar because the elite had slowly weaved the towers-plane-wtc as target, "911=emergency" meme into our subconscious for AGES. 9/11/2001 was the beginning of the Egyptian coptic calendar, a day when planets alligned, and was possibly even Christ's birthday according to some.

Washington DC and NYC were chosen based on ley energy lines I believe.
DC was laid out to Sirius star, which Pentagon pays homage too.
Manly P Hall, if he were alive...would not just be calling America the little experiment and proxy of Occult European leaders, BUT calling 9/11 the esoteric megaritual it was. A call to Egyptian gods, opening portals, harnassing 3000 souls. Bringing out WW3 and endless death through war and fear.

Fascinating, thank you. I think on 9/11, subconsciously, I realized something was very, very wrong. Shortly thereafter, I started digging and reading and have been ever since. I've also come to feel that there is more to it all than the merely practical and avaricious machinations of the "elite".

Here's something I've been wondering for a while and have not seen addressed. Were the twin towers constructed with the idea of their destruction in mind?

You and others speak of a megaritual. Opening portals, harnessing souls, for what precisely? I agree with a lot of your ideas, but am not so sure about the esoteric stuff. I'm open though. One thing I've learned in the last several years is that the world is really f-ing weird.

[8bitagent]

Fascinating, thank you. I think on 9/11, subconsciously, I realized something was very, very wrong. Shortly thereafter, I started digging and reading and have been ever since.

I've also come to feel that there is more to it all than the merely practical and avaricious machinations of the "elite".

Here's something I've been wondering for a while. Were the twin towers constructed with the idea of their destruction in mind?

You and others speak of a megaritual. Opening portals, harnessing souls, for what precisely? I agree with a lot of your ideas, but am not so sure about the esoteric stuff. I'm open though. One thing I've learned in the last several years is that the world is really f-ing weird.

Thank you so much for your post.

I definately think, behind the CIA-Mujahadeen-Bosnian jihadist-post BCCI-
Osama NWO nexus and "physical anomalies" of 9/11 study...there is something just plain unexplainable about the day. Just the surreal nature of that day, recalling the video we saw...the horror people felt. I know there's some on here in NYC who saw it with their own eyes.
We know that 9/11 was clearly meant to reverberate, awaken and do things in our emotions, subconscious, and collective energy that was quite
controlling and manipulative. The repetition of seeing the plane plow into wtc2, the fireball and collapse...again, post traumatic stress inducing.

There was a very big reaction for many people to see the whole event as nothing short of "Satanic". Something, bigger than mere taqfir wahhabists with boxcutters and a grudge. The dark majesty of the event, that touched the deepest realms of our primal subconcious...felt truly otherworldly.

I highlighted a will allegedly by Mohamed Atta...as if he subconsciously knew that he was being used as part of something indeed spiritual...but a dark kind of spirituality...a portal gate of ascension of sort. The planes were mere vessels, the people vanished.
Did he know the deep esoteric symbolism of the Twin Towers?


You said "I've also come to feel that there is more to it all than the merely practical and avaricious machinations of the "elite"."

Aint that a scary thought...because even with the idea of 9/11 being orchestrated by men above neocon puppets and Islamic jihadists...
one has to wonder if the "NWO elite" themselves are mere adepts...or puppets. Just what are those highest degrees in illumination reserved for...certainly, not one of the flesh.

There's a predominently Western Christian view of dark spiritual evil. A kind of cartoonish Max Fleisher cartoon. But any cursory view of Jeff's very well thought out blogs knows the world, from Africa to Belgium is a truly frightening place.

The world is f---ing weird. As much as I used to laugh at coast to coast and art bell bell, and be completely close minded to Fortean "woo",
I've realized that sometimes cognitive dissonance is easier to accept then the complex matrix of 'reality'.

I fully accept the reality that you have proven corrupt government officials dove tailing with child sex kidnapping, drug trade, arms sales, dictator
support, war profiteering, etc...
as well as flying creatures seen in Serbia, Fortean crop circles, UFOS and little gnomes dancing around the world. This exo reality and eso reality
doesnt seem all that strange in a contextual view

And that is why ultimately I hold the possibility that 9/11, no matter how it "came to be", has a very very long planning that would baffle the mind and a component to it that cannot be explained by mere men.

Finally, I do fully believe the Twin Towers were created with the idea they'd be used in a sacrifice ritual...even if it was on a subconscious level. A very fascinating and mind blowing article by one of the WTC 60's era architect helpers and his Fortean view of how 9/11 happened:
http://www.paranoiamagazine.com/gaudihotel.html

[Stephen Morgan]

The embodiment of death wrote: "You know when Luke walks the invisible path?"

You know, I think that was Indiana Jones.

[OP ED]

8bit:

I will post my interpretation of the numbers, over the next three days, as I've just about got it sorted well enough to go at them one at a time.

it is a Thelemic holiday, btw. Till the tenth.

[Poztron]

8bit,

I salute your research and the timeline you traced for all those covert elements. I'm not especially won over by the "woo" stuff at the end, but that doesn't negate for me the value of the info set out up to that point.

One thing did strike me, though, after reading through the timeline. And that was that there seemed to be an enormous number of working parts to herd along for whoever might have been directing this. Which leads me to wonder whether a good chunk of this was not the product of intricate planning, but rather the convergence of forces separately set in motion coming together like iron filings drawn together by a powerful magnet.

You touch on some of the 9/11 team almost laughably making efforts to draw attention to themselves and of the curious components of one of the hijackers' luggage that didn't make it on the plane. I suspect that if we could explain these seemingly inexplicable elements, much else would fall into place.

[8bitagent]

8bit,

I salute your research and the timeline you traced for all those covert elements. I'm not especially won over by the "woo" stuff at the end, but that doesn't negate for me the value of the info set out up to that point.

One thing did strike me, though, after reading through the timeline. And that was that there seemed to be an enormous number of working parts to herd along for whoever might have been directing this. Which leads me to wonder whether a good chunk of this was not the product of intricate planning, but rather the convergence of forces separately set in motion coming together like iron filings drawn together by a powerful magnet.

You touch on some of the 9/11 team almost laughably making efforts to draw attention to themselves and of the curious components of one of the hijackers' luggage that didn't make it on the plane. I suspect that if we could explain these seemingly inexplicable elements, much else would fall into place.

Thank you!

Again, to really study 9/11...one truly has to put aside what they assume, what they believe, what they have concluded.

You cannot go into 9/11 with the pre-assumed-no-matter-what notion that
Osama and al Qaeda" or "Bush and Cheney" orchestrated 9/11. Youll be disappointed, and shocked.

You cant go into this thinking Osama and al Qaeda werent intimately involved. You will be disappointed. You will see footage of the hijackers hanging with Osama in Afghanistan. You will see hardcore proof that al Qaeda and global Islamic terrorism was intimately involved at every step of 9/11. You will also see however, that things are not always as they appear...and the very idea of the WTC Towers being a potential target and planes-into-buildings did not come from a Muslim or someone from the middle east. People's ego's...there "we know 9/11 was a US inside job, end of story"...or "9/11 was merely Osama, all blowback and incompetence"...just gets in the way. You have to be willing to wipe that etch a sketch clean and see where it all fits. a Unified theory that makes sense.

Too many people slant it to be incompetence(Peter Lance), total US orchestrated inside job(David Ray Griffin), or an "Israel Job"(Chris Bollyn)
This just is not the case. I see way too much bias against al Qaeda and hijacker research from the 9/11 truth community

IMAGINE, if there was a JFK oliver stone film about 9/11...it wouldnt all be focused on the day itself. It'd be like if JFK only was about the day itself...and not the intricate layers of CIA, Cubans, Mafia, dupes, criminals, etc involved

We must make no mistake...deep vast level criminal networks from the Ukraine to Peru exist. This arms-narco-kidnapping-legit business post BCCI structure reaches into terrorism, but it's only part of the story as Loretta Napoliani seems to sidestep.

You said
One thing did strike me, though, after reading through the timeline. And that was that there seemed to be an enormous number of working parts to herd along for whoever might have been directing this. Which leads me to wonder whether a good chunk of this was not the product of intricate planning, but rather the convergence of forces separately set in motion coming together like iron filings drawn together by a powerful magnet.

You got it. It wasnt as if some Bilderberg roundtable of elites in their Reptillian Illuminati cloaks and cigars said "Ok were going to create Islamic terror jihadists in 1979, then tell the world its to fight the Soviets...then make the jihadists think they are really going to be fighting in Bosnia and attack Western interests, but really..."

It's a converging of layers, a mandala of sorts. A meta-play where each actor does not know the other's script, and they themselves might not consciously "be in on it" and certainly does not see the grand scope of it all. We know Pakistani ISI, Saudi diplomats-royals-GID intel was in on it, as were elements of Israeli spy networks, British MI6 assets, Qatar,
Dubai, and of course elements within the US government. This doesnt mean they all knew of eachothers roles, or even knew they were being used for a grand scheme. Its possible, for example, Omar Saeed(the MI6/ISI/al Qaeda agent) was used to get Pakistani ISI general Mahmoud Ahmed compromised and linked to Atta.

Anyways, you're right...converging of divergent layers, yet they get interwined in what i call the "post BCCI octopus" for lack of a better word. The transnational corporate beast.

Last but not least, the "hijackers set off to intentionally lead big giant bread crumbs" theory seems pretty solid the more and more you look at all the crazy antics the hijackers were up to...not including the Saudi diplomats showing up in limos at their apartments and houses.

Was Atta a psychotic double mole, used to lead the brainwashed young jihadi pack into a suicide mission for his handlers? Was John Oneil intentionally sent to the WTC on 9/11 to die? Again, speculation...but interesting speculation, nonetheless

I just wish there were more 'truth' researchers interested in putting together all this stuff instead of arguing endlessly about melting points and
pentagon holes

[OP ED]

Do you have a particular number you'd like to start with, 8bit, or should I just pick one?

I've managed to sort out some stuff. Narrowing down Crowley's numerological attributions is more difficult than it sounds. He wrote at least four books dedicated entirely to the subject, and several others which rely heavily on the general concepts. Hell, all of his book titles have numerological subtitles sorted accordingly by subject.

[lunarose]

hi op ed! if no one else has any requests, i'd say maybe start with 9 and 11, if you would?

effulgent thanks in advance!