Hugh Manatee goes mainstream

[orz]

I did coin the term on my own head

Then you give yourself allowance that you deny every artist, writer and filmmaker.

THE END.

[justdrew]

yeah, studio bigwigs have never forced anything on film makers and I've never read any complaints about that. they've never forced casting choices, altered scripts, changed movie names, or anything like that. they probably don't even design the marketing.

not ALWAYS - only sometimes

[IanEye]

not ALWAYS - only sometimes

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o8Uwraj1Hg]Sweet Lorraine the fiery haired brown eyed schemer
Who came from a long line of drinkers and dreamers
Who knew that sunshine don't hold up to dark
Whose businesses fail
Who sleep in the park
Lorraine who spoke of paintings in Paris
And outlandish things to her family just to scare us
whose heart went pokin' where it shouldn't ought
Whose mother could only spit at the thought of

Lorraine
Sweet Lorraine[/url]

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBHqRYeFstw]Her father would tear out like a page of the bible
Then he'd burn down the house to announce his arriva1
Her mother was working and never was home
Lorraine carved out a little life of her own
Lorraine started working, Lorraine went to school
Her mother threw stones at her on the day that she moved
Now isn't that a very strange thing to do
For someone who never really wanted you

Lorraine
Sweet Lorraine[/url]

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTZARaCNbVg]Her daddy called her a slut and a whore
On the night before her wedding day
The very next morning at the church
Her daddy gave Lorraine away

Lorraine
Sweet Lorraine[/url]

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzVEuh6-tPk]In the battle of time in the battle of will
It's only your hope and your heart that gets killed
And it gets harder and harder Lorraine, to believe in magic
When what came before you is so very tragic

Lorraine
Sweet Lorraine

Lorraine
Sweet Lorraine[/url]

[chlamor]

Hugh rocks.

[compared2what?]

Also, someone should sue the Matinee for keyword-hijacking the term "keyword hijacking". As it stands, that term originated in the internet search industry, and anyone claiming that the Matinee somehow came up with that himself is showing nothing but ignorance.

It only just dawned on me this moment that the above may have been a response to my first post on the thread, rather than simply another way of saying "Keyword highjacking is bunk."

The reason I didn't read it that way earlier is that it actually has no bearing on what I wrote. It's not necessary to have originated a phrase in order to successfully register it as a trademark for commercial purposes, which is what I was suggesting. The application might be rejected on other criteria, but that's more likely to be related to problems with the proposed commercial purpose than with the proposed combined word mark.

So just in case the ambiguously phrased last sentence was intended in part to convey that what I was proposing showed nothing but ignorance:

No. It didn't. It showed that, rightly or wrongly, I assumed that most people have a rudimentary understanding of what distinguishes trademarks, copyrights, and patents from one another and that I was therefore under the impression that what I wrote would not be understood as a claim that Hugh (or anyone) came up with the phrase "keyword highjacking."

I don't have more than a rudimentary understanding of the statutory niceties wrt to this shit myself, and almost no knowledge of any kind of the case law. However, you don't need more than rudimentary understanding to know that it's not even coherent to suggest "someone should sue the Matinee for keyword-hijacking the term "keyword hijacking"."

Nomo: Neither copyright nor patent law are applicable to any putative complaint that might be filed against Hugh by whatever putative person or business in the internet search industry first used the phrase "keyword highjacking." According to the U.S. Office of Patents and Trademarks, it's not a trademarked phrase. And it's obviously not plagiarism.

I concede that there may be some other grounds for complaint of which I am ignorant. But obviously, if I'm not even in a position to say whether there are or aren't, I wouldn't presume to propose in what way they be acted upon. Because, you know: Anyone who suggests someone take any action under law he or she doesn't understand is showing nothing but ignorance.

And who would want to do that?

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

I have an impersonal pickle.
.....

Is it time for a new sig quote? Nawww...

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

.....
...Because, you know: Anyone who suggests someone take any action under law he or she doesn't understand is showing nothing but ignorance.

And who would want to do that?

I do like to listen to you in your young Katherine Hepburn mode.

[justdrew]

well, May is National Pickle Month, so...


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107824/plotsummary

and...

actor Bill Pickle played Marion Baker in JFK

and...

Pickles was the most challenging and touching documentary that I saw at the Other Israel Film Festival. A moving film about the limitations of faith and culture, it follows the lives of eight Muslim widows who start a pickling factory in Israel.
http://www.jewcy.com/daily_shvitz/muslim_widows_start_revolution_interview_nitsa_gonen_producer_film_pickles#

[brainpanhandler]

I have an impersonal pickle.
.....

Is it time for a new sig quote? Nawww...

Yes, yes.... it really, really, is. I'm so sick of reading this:


No, we aren't just
(1) "Fearful of power and embracing conspiracy theories to ease our terror."
(2) "Emotionally attached to a hypothesis and stuck in confirmation bias."

The first is something I would never argue because it doesn't make any sense applied to you or anyone else.

The second would be a largely subconscious process and so I have to imagine that in addition to having the idea slung at you like an accusation you have seriously considered it and ideally continually reevaluate the notion although you might not ever admit it.

Besides, the qualifier just implies something I don't think you want to imply. Namely, that (1) and (2) are true of you but not exclusively. Although I understand you intend to respond to retorts that begin with the words, "You're just..."

Which brings up the idea that this sig line invites a comparison to the argument that goes something like, "are too" vs "am not".

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

.....
Is it time for a new sig quote? Nawww...

Yes, yes.... it really, really, is. I'm so sick of reading this:


No, we aren't just
(1) "Fearful of power and embracing conspiracy theories to ease our terror."
(2) "Emotionally attached to a hypothesis and stuck in confirmation bias."

The first is something I would never argue because it doesn't make any sense applied to you or anyone else.

#1 is the standard patronizing and discrediting line slung by 'anti-conspiracists' like Chip Berlet and other CIA shills who ponder what mental disorder would cause us to make up such naughty tales about power. This pops up all the time from CIA and their allies.

The second would be a largely subconscious process and so I have to imagine that in addition to having the idea slung at you like an accusation you have seriously considered it and ideally continually reevaluate the notion although you might not ever admit it.

#2 is what Professor Pan has been slinging at me for a few years despite the obvious logic that if I could be pre-biased, so could others and this would be exploited ruthlessly... which is precisely what I'm positing and Pan keeps denying.
This accusation is also one of the tactics recommended in an April 1967 CIA internal memo about how to refute that any conspiracy or cover-up is in evidence regarding the murder of JFK.

Yes, I do check for confirmation bias and other self-deceptions when doing research, as I hope others do, too. That's why I'm boring you with my same old sig quote instead of orz's impersonal pickle.

[brainpanhandler]

You can always change it back, ya know.

[brainpanhandler]

Is it possible to change life midstream and get back to who you are at your core? From Greg Berlanti (Brothers & Sisters, Dirty Sexy Money, Everwood) and Marc Guggenheim (Brothers & Sisters, Law & Order, The Practice) comes a story about a lawyer who finds himself at a crossroads between the man he has become and the man he wants to be... even if that means being a prophet.

Driven by ambition, Eli Stone (Jonny Lee Miller, The Flying Scotsman) has built a successful career at a top San Francisco law firm in representing the biggest and richest corporations where "screwing over the little guy" is common practice. After experiencing a series of odd hallucinations, including a crooning vision of George Michael, Eli turns to his neurologist brother, Nathan (Matt Letsher, The New Adventures of Old Christine), only to be told there is nothing wrong with him. As the visions persist, he's anxious to find the cause of his delirium and seeks the help of Dr. Chen (James Saito, I Think I Love My Wife), a Chinese acupuncturist who specializes in holistic medicine. Though skeptical of his practice, Eli finds Dr. Chen can help him recall important memories from his past.

Eli's visions continue to intensify and begin to affect his practice, relationships and how he is perceived. But it's not until Eli puts his own life in peril that Nathan recognizes similar episodes their father shared and reconsiders what may be ailing his brother. Upon another review of the symptoms and an MRI, Nathan discovers Eli is suffering from an inoperable brain aneurysm that's causing his illusions.

If Nathan represents science, Dr. Chen represents faith. As Eli struggles to cope with his diagnosis, he looks to Dr. Chen for his take on the relationship of his revelations to his aneurysm. Dr. Chen suggests there could be a divine answer for why he's having delusions of grandeur - Eli may be a prophet.

While Eli is skeptical of being a prophet, his visions have helped him to recall what his father once impressed upon him -- "You're meant to do great things... speak inspired words... you're going to help people." With his father's words in mind, Eli redefines his outlook on life and his intent as a lawyer, beginning with a case in which he represents an old acquaintance against one of his firm's most important clients. Despite opposition from his imposing boss and future father-in-law, Jordan Wethersby (Victor Garber, Alias), and fiancée Taylor (Natasha Henstride, Commander in Chief), he chooses to stay the course.

Eli's resolve will be further tested by his colleagues, who include his sassy assistant, Patti (Loretta Devine, Crash), and fellow counsel Matt Dowd (Sam Jaeger, Catch and Release), an ambitious, competitive shark who exemplifies everything Jordan would like Eli to be. He'll also be challenged by Maggie Dekker (Julie Gonzalo, Veronica Mars), an inexperienced, junior associate who questions his commitment to change.

Eli Stone stars Jonny Lee Miller as Eli Stone, Victor Garber as Jordan Wethersby, Natasha Henstride as Taylor Wethersby, Loretta Devine as Patti, Sam Jaeger as Matt Dowd, James Saito as Dr. Chen, Matt Letsher as Nathan Stone and Julie Gonzalo as Maggie.

Greg Berlanti and Marc Guggenheim are co-creators and executive producers. Chris Misiano (The West Wing) also serves as executive producer and director. The series is produced by ABC Studios.

http://abc.go.com/primetime/elistone/index?pn=about


Now if Oliver Stone should develope a brain aneurysm...

[professorpan]

I like Hugh, too. I just think his theories are a result of confirmation bia, delusional ideation, and an inability to separate his own associational thinking with the way others think.

It's also amusing to me that he keeps pimping alleged "keyword hijackings" like the Eichmann/Ward Churchill example that I logically and chronologically demolished in a previous thread a long time a ago. He never stops believing in his own nonsense even when it's shown to be demonstrably false.

I also enjoy the fact that he can't help but bring me up, even when I'm not involved in a thread, and that criticism of his theories by other people is now "Pan-like." I've become his Torquemada

But I like him, which is why I continue to try to convert him to the side of logic, rationality, and self-criticism.

[IanEye]

Hey, man, you don't talk to the Hugh. You listen to him. The man's enlarged my mind. He's a poet-warrior in the classic sense.
I mean sometimes he'll... uh... well, you'll say "hello" to him, right? And he'll just walk right by you. He won't even notice you.
And suddenly he'll grab you, and he'll throw you in a corner, and he'll say, "do you know that 'if' is the middle word in life?
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you, if you can trust yourself when all men doubt you"...
I mean I'm no, I can't... I'm a little man, I'm a little man.
He's... he's a great man. I should have been a pair of ragged claws scuttling across floors of silent seas!

What are they gonna say about him? What are they gonna say?
That he was a kind man? That he was a wise man?
That he had plans? That he had wisdom?
Bullshit man!

"The chlamor... the chlamor....."

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Is it possible to change life midstream and get back to who you are at your core? From Greg Berlanti (Brothers & Sisters, Dirty Sexy Money, Everwood) and Marc Guggenheim (Brothers & Sisters, Law & Order, The Practice) comes a story about a lawyer who finds himself at a crossroads between the man he has become and the man he wants to be... even if that means being a prophet.

Driven by ambition, Eli Stone (Jonny Lee Miller, The Flying Scotsman) has built a successful career at a top San Francisco law firm in representing the biggest and richest corporations where "screwing over the little guy" is common practice. After experiencing a series of odd hallucinations, including a crooning vision of George Michael, Eli turns to his neurologist brother, Nathan (Matt Letsher, The New Adventures of Old Christine), only to be told there is nothing wrong with him. As the visions persist, he's anxious to find the cause of his delirium and seeks the help of Dr. Chen (James Saito, I Think I Love My Wife), a Chinese acupuncturist who specializes in holistic medicine. Though skeptical of his practice, Eli finds Dr. Chen can help him recall important memories from his past.

Eli's visions continue to intensify and begin to affect his practice, relationships and how he is perceived. But it's not until Eli puts his own life in peril that Nathan recognizes similar episodes their father shared and reconsiders what may be ailing his brother. Upon another review of the symptoms and an MRI, Nathan discovers Eli is suffering from an inoperable brain aneurysm that's causing his illusions.

If Nathan represents science, Dr. Chen represents faith. As Eli struggles to cope with his diagnosis, he looks to Dr. Chen for his take on the relationship of his revelations to his aneurysm. Dr. Chen suggests there could be a divine answer for why he's having delusions of grandeur - Eli may be a prophet.

While Eli is skeptical of being a prophet, his visions have helped him to recall what his father once impressed upon him -- "You're meant to do great things... speak inspired words... you're going to help people." With his father's words in mind, Eli redefines his outlook on life and his intent as a lawyer, beginning with a case in which he represents an old acquaintance against one of his firm's most important clients. Despite opposition from his imposing boss and future father-in-law, Jordan Wethersby (Victor Garber, Alias), and fiancée Taylor (Natasha Henstride, Commander in Chief), he chooses to stay the course.

Eli's resolve will be further tested by his colleagues, who include his sassy assistant, Patti (Loretta Devine, Crash), and fellow counsel Matt Dowd (Sam Jaeger, Catch and Release), an ambitious, competitive shark who exemplifies everything Jordan would like Eli to be. He'll also be challenged by Maggie Dekker (Julie Gonzalo, Veronica Mars), an inexperienced, junior associate who questions his commitment to change.

Eli Stone stars Jonny Lee Miller as Eli Stone, Victor Garber as Jordan Wethersby, Natasha Henstride as Taylor Wethersby, Loretta Devine as Patti, Sam Jaeger as Matt Dowd, James Saito as Dr. Chen, Matt Letsher as Nathan Stone and Julie Gonzalo as Maggie.

Greg Berlanti and Marc Guggenheim are co-creators and executive producers. Chris Misiano (The West Wing) also serves as executive producer and director. The series is produced by ABC Studios.

http://abc.go.com/primetime/elistone/index?pn=about


Now if Oliver Stone should develope a brain aneurysm...

Wow. Nice find, bph. I'm glad I waxed on at great length about leaving no "Stone" unturned.

Looks like you're showing us a textbook example of perfectly timed (pre-Nov. 18 + 22) subliminal discrediting of whistleblowers.

The same methods were used in 1997 with the tv show, 'Spawn,' which was a counterpropaganda response to Don Wilson's new evidence regarding MLK.

Can you find all the mirrors and negative framing of whistleblowers regarding JFK, RFK, and Jonestown in this new tv series called 'Eli Stone?'

Check for keywords from historical scandals, homonyms, narrative themes, professions, character names, actor names, even actor branding from previous roles...it's all there.

Yes, you can "play," too, Pan.

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