Un-PC Men Are Attacked By Bitches for No Reason.

[blanc]

sorry that 'absolutely' was an answer that fear for women is normal

[lunarose]

hi c2w.

"Women of this board, please confirm that it is ordinary to you to briefly consider whether you might be sexually assaulted in any number of fairly routine circumstances, that it doesn't entail fear or paranoia, but that it does, obviously, color your view of yourself and the world in which you live."

of course. as it is also a concern of the men around me - my landlord, husband, father, friends, brother - all of them question where i am, with who, and when wrt the perceived likelihood of sexual attack.

that's the thing that strikes me as funny about some of the male responses on this board. men are not enculturated to be constantly on the lookout for sexual attack (except for when they end up in prison) but women are. men on this thread have claimed to be unaware of this fact. but every man i know when cares about me or any woman will always bring up this reality in conversation ('you're going WHERE? at What time? don't you know that's a dangerous neighborhood? and so on.) so men are just as aware of this, for crying out loud we all live in the same place here.

but i supposed it's more fun to pick on the 'raging feministas' instead of being honest about the world we live in and what we're afraid of.

[yathrib]

You bet. And I resent it. WHy the f*****g hell shouldn't I be able to go jogging in a secluded park if I want to? Why should it be that if I do this and something happens to me, all the "common sense" types will say it's my fault?

hi c2w.

"Women of this board, please confirm that it is ordinary to you to briefly consider whether you might be sexually assaulted in any number of fairly routine circumstances, that it doesn't entail fear or paranoia, but that it does, obviously, color your view of yourself and the world in which you live."

[nathan28]

of course. as it is also a concern of the men around me - my landlord, husband, father, friends, brother - all of them question where i am, with who, and when wrt the perceived likelihood of sexual attack.

It's fucking stupid not to acknowledge that. It's also a little duplicitous to suggest that men don't have to worry about phsycial violence. Ever lived in a bad neighborhood?

But that's irrelevant, since every time i try to address some problem with a line of reasoning, or whenever I suggest that academic feminism is really problematic with in so many regards, I'm only feeding into crap like

"Men have been trained and conditioned by women, not unlike the way Pavlov conditioned his dogs, into becoming their slaves. As compensation for their labours men are given periodic use of a woman's vagina."

so i am just going to wave the white flag. That social-contract-genital-theory quote practically demonstrates the same type of mind-reading paranoid assumptions I bemoaned earlier. no more brain power will i waste on this thread.

one occultist, Peter Carroll, who is not a crypto-fascist but a math nerd, suggesting masturbating without engaging in any sexual fantasy as a way to decondition sexual hang-ups

5=6
love is the law

[yathrib]

Okay, Nathan. Think about the low grade vigilance and paranoia you feel in a moderately bad neighborhood. Now imagine that this moderately bad neighborhood is called "Outside."

of course. as it is also a concern of the men around me - my landlord, husband, father, friends, brother - all of them question where i am, with who, and when wrt the perceived likelihood of sexual attack.

It's fucking stupid not to acknowledge that. It's also a little duplicitous to suggest that men don't have to worry about phsycial violence. Ever lived in a bad neighborhood?

But that's irrelevant, since every time i try to address some problem with a line of reasoning, or whenever I suggest that academic feminism is really problematic with in so many regards, I'm only feeding into crap like

"Men have been trained and conditioned by women, not unlike the way Pavlov conditioned his dogs, into becoming their slaves. As compensation for their labours men are given periodic use of a woman's vagina."

so i am just going to wave the white flag. That social-contract-genital-theory quote practically demonstrates the same type of mind-reading paranoid assumptions I bemoaned earlier. no more brain power will i waste on this thread.

one occultist, Peter Carroll, who is not a crypto-fascist but a math nerd, suggesting masturbating without engaging in any sexual fantasy as a way to decondition sexual hang-ups

5=6
love is the law

[nathan28]

Okay, Nathan. Think about the low grade vigilance and paranoia you feel in a moderately bad neighborhood. Now imagine that this moderately bad neighborhood is called "Outside."

of course. as it is also a concern of the men around me - my landlord, husband, father, friends, brother - all of them question where i am, with who, and when wrt the perceived likelihood of sexual attack.

It's fucking stupid not to acknowledge that. It's also a little duplicitous to suggest that men don't have to worry about phsycial violence. Ever lived in a bad neighborhood?

But that's irrelevant, since every time i try to address some problem with a line of reasoning, or whenever I suggest that academic feminism is really problematic with in so many regards, I'm only feeding into crap like

"Men have been trained and conditioned by women, not unlike the way Pavlov conditioned his dogs, into becoming their slaves. As compensation for their labours men are given periodic use of a woman's vagina."

so i am just going to wave the white flag. That social-contract-genital-theory quote practically demonstrates the same type of mind-reading paranoid assumptions I bemoaned earlier. no more brain power will i waste on this thread.

one occultist, Peter Carroll, who is not a crypto-fascist but a math nerd, suggesting masturbating without engaging in any sexual fantasy as a way to decondition sexual hang-ups

5=6
love is the law

You mean like a neighborhood where someone gets shot in front of your house and where crackheads regularly break into every car on the street? Because that's not "moderate" paranoia, but I will most assuredly concur that it is generally worse to be a woman and for that matter more dangerous all the time because woman are smaller. That applies to the rapists [edit: struck "evil" since it came off as trivializing] as well as getting hit by traffic. Sweeping generalizations are how both sides play this game and it's always bad form. I'm just saying, it's matters of degrees, and like I was saying, i hope my nit-picking isn't fuel for the wrong team, which sadly, i think it is, so i'm done here. for the record i women deserve more economic equality and more consideration for that fact that they have to bear children and fairer recourse, rather than being hushed-up almost every single time, w/r/t sexual offenses.

[Occult Means Hidden]

It doesn't seem like this thread is really accomplishing anything or getting anywhere. I'd like to watch it be abandoned. But, that's my opinion.

[blanc]

imagine the bad neighbourhood is called outside? or inside for that matter.
btw the thread was bad from the getgo OMH...

[Stephen Morgan]

It isn't "more dangerous for women ecause women are smaller". Men are the victims of the vast majority of violent crimes. The typical feminist response to this fact is that, as men commit most of these crimes, it doesn't count. Feel free to use this argument, on the condition that I can then stab you and you won't complain, as we're both men.

People aren't scared because of true danger, but because of fear mongering. A gang of hoodies on the street are gathering together to protect themselves from another group down the road who are doing the same thing. Rape, and all violent crimes, are very rare. You are the victim only of your fear.

We should learn to trust each other.

I recommend "The American Woman" by the parapsychologist and SPRist Eric Dingwall and "The Fraud of Feminism" and "The Legal Subjection of Men" by E Belfort Bax, the radical socialist. A bit of information on the relatively recent past of feminism and the true state of sex relations.

[JackRiddler]

(Post based on a mistake - more later - I for one find this thread illuminating and worthwhile.)

[GM Citizen]

That is very nearly the stupidest quote on this thread. And that's saying a lot. Man, was that trip really necessary?

Argh. Yikes.

Ok, why was that a stupid quote? got anything of substance on it, or just a snide remark? C'mon....you been trained....use your training now...you can do it.

Was it a stupid quote simply because you might disagree with some of it? Perhaps you didn't like her reference to Pavlov? Or you're a dog-lover, and took offence?

Barracuda, I look forward to seeing you wrestle with this fiendishly clever challenge.

ON EDIT: DAMMIT. I look backward fondly on seeing you wrestle with this fiendishly clever challenge.

"Men have been trained and conditioned by women, not unlike the way Pavlov conditioned his dogs, into becoming their slaves. As compensation for their labours men are given periodic use of a woman's vagina."

Okay, since compared2what? looked forward, who am I to deny her?

GM Citizen, I hate to see what else is on your list of recommended reading. It gives me a glimpse as to why your comments throughout this thread are so medival on the one hand and banal and predictable on the other. Do you wear a wrist watch? 'Cause I bet it's not only self-winding, but wound to the hilt.

I imagine a sexual "escapade" between yourself and Ms. Vilar (or anyone for that matter) would last four minutes on a good day, be as business-like as purchasing a train ticket, and possess all the excitement of watching paint dry. Frankly, the first thing that comes to mind as I re-read your "challenge" is this person has a small penis. I honestly wonder if men with a little less than more actually see the world differently, and especially their relationship with the opposite sex and how they approach that. Really, though, it's sad. If you can possibly give a quote like that any credence, to the point where you'd actually post it anywhere (even a bathroom wall) much less on this thread, and then look up at your computer screen with the expectation that it would start some controversy or elicit a response beyond revulsion... And I just sense the grim determination behind it all, that dammit, you're gonna win or something, you're gonna get your point across, why was that a stupid quote, barracuda? Tell me WHY, you coward - WHY??? And then your response to my utterly endearing picture of Porky from around 1937, which I truly posted out of an inability to conceptualize any sort of meaningful post relative to that dreadful quote... you said, as if not to me, but to compared2what? and the whole board,

arracuda has no fight left it appears. barracuda is down to posting pictures. no argument or debate of substance comes from barracuda, just the typical shoot the messenger tactic.

C'mon, man. Haven't I spent pages of this thread giving you honest, sincere dialogue about my point of view on these issue, did you think I was just talking out of the side of my neck, for laughs? And then you have to say shit like that, no respect, just provocation, man who needs that? No sense of humor. Small dick. No class. See, I didn't want to respond, cause its so easy for me to fall into that mode, and really don't like to, talking shit and all that. And now I did and I am.


Christ, I've had this same boring conversation soooo many times. Let me say it again. Women have been oppressed by men from time immemorial. It is so built into the system... fuck, why do I have to repeat myself?







Listen, have you ever really loved a woman? I mean, loved her, so much it makes you cry, now sitting at your computer typing your bullshit if you just take a moment... just a moment and think of her. Think of how beautiful she was to you, how she was all you ever wanted, how she was everything, the world... And it might not have lasted that way forever, but for that while, think back to that while, that time when she and you were together, and love filled your mind all the day long, and you could still, ust by summoning it up in your head, bring the smell of her to your mind when she wasn't around, and it made you sigh, involuntarily sigh and smile to yourself, no matter where you were or what bad thing had come into your day, you could think that thought and be saved by it, be made stronger by it, be blessed in your heart by that woman... Have you ever had that thing?

If you had, why would you even post a quote like that? It's just totally disrepectful of the both of you. I really hope you become whole someday, I do. 'Cause there's nothing in it for me to have people running around half-made, half-alive, like your Ms. Vilar. Nothing. Until all men are whole, the world will always be half-assed.

You are quite pedictable. You say it's gotta be a man, and he's gotta have a small dick. This is your idea of debate and sincere discussion?

When you've run out of insults and attacks and do wish to discuss anything in here, I'd be happy to oblige you in that regard.

[barracuda]

What a marroon.

[sunny]

It isn't "more dangerous for women ecause women are smaller". Men are the victims of the vast majority of violent crimes. The typical feminist response to this fact is that, as men commit most of these crimes, it doesn't count. Feel free to use this argument, on the condition that I can then stab you and you won't complain, as we're both men.

People aren't scared because of true danger, but because of fear mongering. A gang of hoodies on the street are gathering together to protect themselves from another group down the road who are doing the same thing. Rape, and all violent crimes, are very rare. You are the victim only of your fear.

We should learn to trust each other.

I recommend "The American Woman" by the parapsychologist and SPRist Eric Dingwall and "The Fraud of Feminism" and "The Legal Subjection of Men" by E Belfort Bax, the radical socialist. A bit of information on the relatively recent past of feminism and the true state of sex relations.

Stephen Morgan, I personally know three rape victims, including my deceased mother who was raped by a stranger in a dark parking lot after work many years ago. One friend of mine was date raped and refused to report it out of the fear that her adventurous sexual past would be exposed. Another was partying with a group of "friends" and got so drunk she was unable to protest when three of them "ganged" up on her. The corrupt and sexist county DA refused to file charges. She shouldn't have put herself in that situation, doncha know.

I have a hard time believeing rapes are rare just based on my own personal knowledge. The fact that that rape is a distinct possiblitiy in a variety of situations makes fear of it quite rational

[GM Citizen]

It is clear from this thread that most of the posters on it have no idea at all what rape represents to a woman. It is something different -- not better than, not worse than, though it's sure as hell much more freqent than -- what it does to a man. I am trying to explain what that is. So that others might understand it. Not so that I can replace your reality with mine. There's plenty of room for every fucking sufferer on the thread, as well as every celebrator, and every person who is simply bored.

Got that?

Sure do. I look at the issue from a broader view, and not exlusively from one gender. The fact that I do this does not negate your viewpoints, and should not be taken as such. But is it vice-versa?

[barracuda]