New Report On 9/11 Connection To Oklahoma City Bombing

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New Report On 9/11 Connection To Oklahoma City Bombing

Postby 8bitagent » Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:32 am

Sometimes in life, the keys to an event are where people least expect it.

I remember this obscure news clip, about a woman in Vienna Virginia who repeatedly called the CIA and authorities about a house where all sorts of non stop ruckuss, fancy cars and visitors kept coming and going. It would turn out to be rented out by one of the hijackers, just a few minutes from CIA headquarters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAEiKeps ... re=related

And it reminds me of a theme. A theme where it seems the "hijackers" went out of their way to be rude, loud, and party it up like no tomorrow...a theme where when people complain, or FBI agents investigate...they're told to look away.

In America, there's four states crucial to understanding the secret history of 9/11: San Diego California, Venice/Hollywood Florida, Falls Church/Vienna Virginia...

and Oklahoma(particularly Norman and OKC)

On the Jack Blood show friday, he had two very dedicated OKC researchers who have been doing the investigative work that Daniel Hopsicker has urged more people to do.
What they uncovered after a year in a half is startling, yet meshes with my own deep research. Here's the show in it's entirety:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 4217022105
FULL ARTICLE:
http://911blogger.com/node/16709

It was reported that the credit cards used in the 9/11 attacks and purchassing the tickets CONTINUED to be used after 9/11. That some were used on hotel rooms. That the hijacker's hotel rooms had men in them even as the attacks were occurring, and that multiple witnesses said the hijackers were hanging around airport personnel and Tarmac maintanence crews


The basic facts

A man named Melvin Lattimore was found to be involved in the 1993 World Trade Bombing, then was driving Mcveigh and the Nazi/Iraqi
OKC bombing suspects around in Mcveigh's car. A few weeks before April 19th, Lattimore took Mcveigh and 7 others to the Dreamland motel near Norman Oklahoma where Lattimore was always loitering around. Lattimore would finally be seen with Mcveigh, and two FBI informant "neo Nazi bank robbers"(James Rosencranz and Sean Kenny) days before the attack.

Lattimore would then be the roomate of Zacharius Moussaoui and al Qaeda operative Hussein al Attas at the University of Oklahoma in Norman Oklahoma where they are all three seen hanging with Nick Berg. Yes, that Nick Berg. The guy who gets beheaded in Iraq, and whose emails are on Moussaoui's computer after FBI Agent Harry Samit requests 75 times to open the laptop. The President of OKU is David Boren, then CIA head George Tenet's best friend and member of Skull and Bones...former Senator and the one who got Tenet the job. Also there is Professor David Edgar, who was a top CIA agent in the 9/11/1973 coup AND was the top CIA guy monitoring Atta in Hamberg. Well now Atta was at his own university.

Lattimore THEN takes Mohamed Atta, Moussaoui and other 9/11 hijacker suspects to the SAME Dreamland Motel from 1995, this time in August 1995. Lattimore is then in Minnesota with al Attas(who was at the 9/11 Summit in Kuala Lampar and the apartment of the FBI informant housing the two hijackers in San Diego) after dropping off Moussaoui for more flight training

Even stranger, the John Doe #2 suspect in OKC "al Hussaini Hussein" turns out to be the luggage handler the DAY of 9/11 at Boston Logan where Atta's luggage "gets stuck"

So what's the new revelations?

Multiple credible witnesses place Mohamed Atta and four others of the alleged hijackers at the Oklahoma Bombing memorial museum on September 6th causing a scene, and then causing a fight at a Western honky tonk bar a few miles away on the 7th.

The 18 year veteran bartender has supplied the credit card receipts from that night, which were expired yet still worked...allegedly they turned out to be government issued. Other witnesses also place them there.
Atta ordered drinks there that have never been ordered there, that arent even carried there. Possible code?

Oh, and that one of the hijackers allegedly came BACK to the same OKC bar with one of the same guys he was with during that brawl night on September 7th...only, two weeks LATER. *cue twilight zone music*

WHO were the "hijackers" that were also causing a ruckus in Massachusettes, Maine, Florida, etc days later? The same guys? All a false legend, ala "Oswald in Dallas spreading anti commie propaganda?"

Three Arab men came to THIS bar the night before 9/11, saying that tomorrow America would be devestated:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4u5MnANI2E

Here were told Atta got into an argument with someone RIGHT before his Boston Logan flight, where his car had clues leading authorities
to Huffman leading to Hamberg. Hmmm, someone call Carmen Sandiego and Columbo

"NBC News: Hijackers left HUGE trail of clues...werent trying hard to cover their tracks"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I0OOhB0 ... re=related

BEST QUOTE: "How do you prove that the hijackers were on the planes, even if their names were on the manifest?"

Remember the CIA was video taping the "9/11 summit" in Malaysia and following the hijackers from Hamberg to America

I will concede that some of the hijackers we think were on those flights never were.

I will also say, that it appears to me some of the same networks used to carry out the World Trade Center 1993 and Oklahoma City bombing appear to have been re-used in 1999-2001 for 9/11.


9/11 is a very odd case...consider that quite literally the FBI informant in San Diego hosting some of the hijackers for Saudi intelligence is linked directly to the Heaven's Gate UFO mass cult from 1997...and that the Sun Tabloid that got anthraxed rented a condo to the hijackers and was tied to the flight schools.
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Postby Jeff » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:58 am

Thanks both for the links. 9/11's Oklahoma connection has been terribly neglected, though there was a flurry of WTF? attention to it after Nick Berg's murder.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:10 pm

Jeff wrote:Thanks both for the links. 9/11's Oklahoma connection has been terribly neglected, though there was a flurry of WTF? attention to it after Nick Berg's murder.


New light on the Nick Berg case: US contractors ‘tortured’ for talking to the FBI

http://mparent7777-3.blogspot.com/2007/ ... se-us.html

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For those new to the case, a brief summary follows …

Nick Berg was a 26 year-old US businessman of Jewish extraction. He was a specialist in radio communications tower repair and construction. Although Berg was, by all accounts, a supporter of George Bush and the US invasion of Iraq, his father, a member of the Democracy Now! group, was an open opponent of the war.

In Iraq, Berg found a commercial partner in Aziz al-Taee, a seedy Iraqi businessman, previously resident in the US, who was an associate of the Iranian-aligned Shiite businessman, Ahmad Chalabi. Aziz had an interesting criminal record in the US but had been instrumental in organising pro-invasion rallies before the war. It is likely that Berg combined his own fledgeling business endeavours with simple commercial intelligence-gathering for others.

Berg also had Iraqi relatives resident in Mosul. It was during a visit to Mosul, on 24 April 2004 that he was arrested by the Iraqi Police at a checkpoint because his Jewish name and Israeli stamps in his passport aroused suspicion. He was reportedly carrying a Farsi phrase book and anti-Zionist literature.

The Iraqi police turned Berg over to US military custody where he was interviewed on three occasions by the FBI. Berg was already well known to the Bureau. It is a curious fact that, while briefly a student at Oklahoma University, and before the events of 11 September 2001, his computer user ID had been used by Zacarias Moussaoui. The FBI had investigated this incident but found him innocent of any wrongdoing. The 911 investigator Michael Wright unearthed evidence supporting the view that Berg was working under CIA supervision at OU, perhaps spying on some of the alleged 911 hijackers who were living nearby at the time. Whatever the truth of this, suspicion must arise that Nick Berg was a part-time CIA operative and/or FBI informant. Certainly Berg made no complaints about his treatment by the FBI while he was in US custody in Mosul.

On 5 April, Berg’s father, who had learned of his incarceration from the US Consul in Baghdad, commenced legal proceedings for his release in the US Federal Court. The circumstances suggest that the US Consulate and the FBI spoke up for him. He was quickly released and offered a flight from Baghdad to Jordan. Reportedly he didn’t take up this offer, saying that he preferred to travel by road, with persons unknown whom he had somehow met. He left the al-Fanar Hotel on 10 April and disappeared.

No credible claim has ever surfaced that ransom demands were made, although Berg would have been a valuable, high-profile captive. A month later his decapitated body was found in Baghdad. Shortly afterwards, the infamous video of his decapitation, officially attributed to al-Qaeda, appeared on the internet. For George Bush, the timing was fortuitous, because the video provided a tailor-made “moral relativity”argument to bolster the US Government just as the story of the US torture of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib broke.

It is not difficult to see what might have happened in Berg’s case.

Remember that in early 2004, it was still possible for small-time would-be entrepreneurs like Berg to move about Iraq relatively freely. But operations by the Sunni and Baathist resistance were increasing. In late May, four US mercenaries were killed in an ambush in the Fallujah, a Sunni stronghold. The subsequent US attempt to subdue the city resulted in a minor disaster for US forces. A few days later US troops raided the offices of the cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, triggering a Shiite uprising. Suddenly, US troops were being attacked by the Shiites whom the US had relied upon to remain moderately well-disposed towards the occupation or at least neutral in relation to the escalating conflict with the Sunni and Baathist resistance. At the same time, in the US mainstream media, the view that the US had been tricked into invading Iraq on behalf of Iran began to be advanced. The fortunes of Ahmad Chalabi, until then something of a favourite with US ruling circles, suddenly plunged. The whole Neocon game-plan was falling apart. Behind the scenes rampant political confusion and paranoia would have reigned.


more.......


Family of Beheaded U.S. Man Releases Statement
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=547956

Body found on Baghdad overpass identified as that of
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=547236

CNN Transcript On Nick Berg Murder
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=550541

FBI Saw Berg During Iraq Police Detention
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=550119

Pa. family angry with American government over son's brutal death
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=547830

Parents blame Bush for son's execution
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=549188

Body found on Baghdad overpass identified as that of American
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=547236

Arab media disagree on story of beheading
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=551805

Reporter says Berg held in custody entire time by US authorities
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=551660

http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=551186

Bush Condemns Execution of Berg in Iraq
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=550095

Beheaded hostage 'had been warned to leave Iraq'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=549507

FBI Saw Berg Before Beheading
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=550573

Berg worked at night on a Abu Ghraib tower
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=550780

CBS: Bizarre New Link in Berg Murder (Berg and Moussaoui)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=553244

CNN: Was Berg in U.S. custody? Answers conflict
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=554749

Diplomat's E-Mails Show Berg in Custody
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=552638

E-mails from U.S. consulate to Bergs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=553391

Spokesman Says Berg Never Held by Forces
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=549641

The victim: More than work drew him to Iraq
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=551848

Diplomat's e-mails show Berg in custody
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=552645

Berg died for Bush, Rumsfeld 'sins' - father
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=552677

U.S.Iraq Consular Officer Payne)Diplomat's E-Mails Show Berg in US custody
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=552989

Al-Zarqawi Murdered Berg, CIA Concludes
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=553143

FBI told police to hold Berg
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=553087

Beheading not linked to Iraq prison scandal: White House
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=549888

Berg beheading: No way, say more medical experts
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=571473

CNN Breaking: 4 arrested in the Berg Murder (2 released)...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=571514

Beheaded man named on Free Republic's "Enemies List"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=551264

Bush: Berg's killers must be found
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=557156

Last days of Nick Berg a mystery
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=559749

US Gov't Disavows E-Mails About Berg's Detention
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=559647

EXECUTION: FOUR ARRESTED
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=563009

BERG MET WITH SHADY IRAQI (Berg's business partner was a Chalabi wannabe)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=560487
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Postby Jeff » Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:22 pm

Thanks for the data dump, seems!
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Postby sunny » Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:16 pm

Thanks seems!

8bit wrote:And it reminds me of a theme. A theme where it seems the "hijackers" went out of their way to be rude, loud, and party it up like no tomorrow...a theme where when people complain, or FBI agents investigate...they're told to look away.


Sure, sheep dipping. Kind of like how Oswald was made to seem like a raving, gun toting commie.

8bit wrote:Even stranger, the John Doe #2 suspect in OKC "al Hussaini Hussein" turns out to be the luggage handler the DAY of 9/11 at Boston Logan where Atta's luggage "gets stuck"


Where does this info come from? How confirmed? Mere speculation?

8bit wrote:The 18 year veteran bartender has supplied the credit card receipts from that night, which were expired yet still worked...allegedly they turned out to be government issued. Other witnesses also place them there.
Atta ordered drinks there that have never been ordered there, that arent even carried there. Possible code?


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Postby 8bitagent » Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:59 pm

Jeff wrote:Thanks both for the links. 9/11's Oklahoma connection has been terribly neglected, though there was a flurry of WTF? attention to it after Nick Berg's murder.


No problem!

This article talks about how WTC 1993 and OKC bombing suspect Melvin Lattimore brought Atta, Moussaoui and the hijackers to the same Dreamland motel near Norman Oklahoma weeks before 9/11 as he did with Mcveigh, Nichols, and the rest of the OKC suspects
http://www.laweekly.com/news/news/the-t ... otel/3728/

This is a great article called "they Key to Truth in Oklahoma City" written a few months ago, and how it ties into 9/11
http://911blogger.com/node/15075
as well as more of the deep state para politics revolving terrorist cells, intelligence and Norman Oklahoma
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/ok_axis_of_evil.htm

And Jeff...

I think you're REALLY gonna dig seeing this...I was startled when I saw all this new evidence on the hijackers that Paul Thompson posted
http://www.www.cooperativeresearch.org/ ... 393703-423

It's clear that these "hijackers" had an AWFUL lot of help in America.
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Postby 8bitagent » Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:14 pm

sunny wrote:

Sure, sheep dipping. Kind of like how Oswald was made to seem like a raving, gun toting commie.

Where does this info come from? How confirmed? Mere speculation?


1. The parallels between 9/11 and JFK in how it was set up then the coverup is so numerous...that when you even say, watch JFK by Oliver Stone...it feels like you could swap in 9/11 for JFK. Having a multiple doppleganger effect whereby the patsy or *willing* patsy/s are "made to impress" are everywhere.

2. al Hussaini Hussain's connection to OKC and 9/11's Boston Logan airport
is explored in many sources:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/arti ... article.do
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sugg ... tnG=Search

He was even living with at the time of 9/11, two former Saddam army Iraqis who had their own food catering business for Boston Logan. He even told his therapist that Boston Logan where he worked would be used for a major terror attack.

Ive long felt there was a strong Iraqi connection to Oklahoma City Bombing, and a slight connection to WTC 1993 and 9/11. And not in the way a right winger Republican would think. It's apparent that after the Gulf war, the American deep state began to employ former Iraqi Republican Guards as kind of sleeper cells in Oklahoma and elsewhere. One of the convicted WTC bombers ended up being a Saddam provocatuer agent working for the US, who after the bombing was sent back to Iraq.

For Oklahoma City, I think it was crucial that "neo Nazi/white seperatist/militia" men and Iraqi nationals be used in the operation, mixed with FBI informants and provocatuers.
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Postby 8bitagent » Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:21 pm

This to me is some of the most explosive, shocking and mindblowing 9/11 facts right here:

Deep Saudi intelligence and high level government involvement(including Bush family ran Riggs bank) in 9/11

AND...

http://www.www.cooperativeresearch.org/ ... 393703-423

* New evidence suggests that some of the hijackers were assisted by employees of the Saudi government. It has previously been reported that Omar al-Bayoumi, a Saudi who was paid by the Saudi government despite not doing any work, assisted hijackers Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi when they first moved to the US. The FBI timeline shows that when these two hijackers moved into their first San Diego apartment, they indicated that they had been living with Bayoumi in the apartment next door for the previous two weeks. In fact, they had been with him in that apartment since January 15, 2000, the very day they first flew into the US, arriving in Los Angeles. The timeline also reveals that hijacker Hani Hanjour was seen in Bayoumi’s apartment.
* Omar al-Bayoumi. [Source: Saudi Government via Al Arabiya] The new book The Commission by New York Times reporter Philip Shenon published last week further reveals that Bayoumi had close ties to Fahad al-Thumairy, a radical imam working in the Saudi consulate in Los Angeles. For instance, Bayoumi frequently called al-Thumairy while living next door to the two hijackers, and also frequently called the Saudi embassy in Washington, D.C. The book also reveals that the 9/11 Commission was aware of “explosive” revelations about the ties between Bayoumi, Thumairy, and the two hijackers, but the commission’s final report omitted “virtually all of the most serious allegations against the Saudis,” due to diplomatic considerations. Now, thanks to this FBI timeline, we are discovering more of this suppressed evidence relating to Saudi Arabia.
* Security camera footage obtained by the FBI after 9/11 indicated that Khalid Almihdhar and possibly Salem Alhazmi cased Dulles Airport in Washington, D.C., the evening before 9/11. This fits the account of a security guard , related in Unsafe at Any Altitude by Joe and Susan Trento, who independently claimed to have seen two hijackers, Salem’s brother Nawaf and Marwan Alshehhi, casing Dulles Airport the night before 9/11. This guard claims the two hijackers were part of a group of five men, three of whom were dressed in United Airlines ramp worker uniforms, that behaved suspiciously. Despite a lawsuit by 9/11 victims’ relatives against United Airlines and others for negligence, the US government has never revealed the existence of this video footage which might support claims that the hijackers had inside help.
* Hijackers Marwan Alshehhi and Hamza Alghamdi purchased hundreds of dollars of “pornographic video and sex toys” in Florida. They spent $252 on video and toys in early July 2001, and then another $183 later that month. Furthermore, Satam Al Suqami likely paid for a sex escort in Boston on September 7, 2001. Alshehhi was also recognized by six dancers at Cheetah’s, a nightclub in Pompano Beach, Florida. This fits in with other evidence of the hijackers drinking alcohol, paying for lap dancers, watching pornographic videos, etc…—hardly the expected behavior of religious radicals.
* On March 20, 2000, either Khalid Almihdhar or Nawaf Alhazmi used a phone registered to Alhazmi to make a call from San Diego to an al-Qaeda communications hub in Sana’a, Yemen, run by Almihdhar’s father-in-law. The call lasted 16 minutes. According to the 9/11 Congressional Inquiry, the call was intercepted by the NSA, which had been intercepting Alhazmi and Almihdhar’s calls for over a year, but the FBI was not informed of the hijackers’ presence in the US. The call is only briefly mentioned as a family phone call by the 9/11 Commission in a endnote, and it is not mentioned that the call was monitored.
* Satam Al Suqami ‘s remarkably undamaged passport, marked and wrapped in plastic. [Source: FBI] When hijacker Satam Al Suqami’s passport was recovered on 9/11 on the street near the World Trade Center, it was “soaked in jet fuel.”
* Hijacker Hamza Alghamdi booked several flights after 9/11. He booked a continuation from Los Angeles to San Francisco later on the day of the attacks. Then, on September 20, he planned to fly from Rome to Casablanca, to Riyadh, to Damman, Saudi Arabia.
* It has been widely assumed that the hijackers did everything using their real names, or aliases close to their real names. But a still-classified CIA report found that the hijackers used 364 aliases and name variants. The FBI’s timeline discloses what some of them were. For example, Hani Hanjour and Ahmed Alghamdi rented a New Jersey apartment using the names Hany Saleh and Ahmed Saleh. Fayez Ahmed Banihammad used the aliases Abu Dhabi Banihammad and Fayey Rashid Ahmed. Mohamed Atta frequently liked to use variants of the name El Sayed, for instance calling himself Awaid Elsayed and even Hamburg Elsayed. And when Majed Moqed flew into the US on May 2, 2001, the name Mashaanmoged Mayed was on the flight manifest. This suggests that some travel and actions of the hijackers could have been missed when they used unlikely aliases.
* An ATM video still of Hani Hanjour (left) and Majed Moqed (right). [Source: FBI] There has been very little video footage released of the hijackers. So far, the only known footage has been two video stills of Hani Hanjour and Majed Moqed using an ATM machine, one still each of Waleed Alshehri and Satam Al Suqami, several stills of Mohamed Atta and Abdulaziz Alomari in Portland the night before 9/11, and a few more stills and footage of several hijackers in airports on the morning of 9/11. But the FBI’s timeline reveals there is more video footage that has never even been publicly hinted at: Mohamed Atta used an ATM in Palm Beach, Florida, on July 19, 2001. Salem Alhazmi and Ahmed Alghamdi used an ATM in Alexandria, Virginia, on August 2. Hanjour and Mojed used a Kinko’s for half an hour in College Park, Maryland, on August 10. Moqed and Nawaf Alhazmi shopped at an Exxon gas station in Joppa, Maryland, on August 28. Waleed and Wail Alshehri wandered around a Target store in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, on September 4. Atta and Abdulaziz Alomari were in a Florida bank lobby on September 4, and the audio of Atta calling Saudi Arabia was even recorded in the process. Fayez Ahmed Banihammad used an ATM on September 7 in Deerfield Beach, Florida. Salem Alhazmi was at the Falls Church DMV on September 7. Low quality surveillance video at the Milner Hotel in Boston showed Alshehhi and possibly Mohand Alshehri on multiple occasions in the days just before 9/11. Ziad Jarrah and possibly Saeed Alghamdi were videotaped using a Kinko’s for about an hour near Newark on September 10.
* Some credit cards used by the hijackers were still used in the US after 9/11. For instance, a credit card jointly owned by Mohamed Atta and Marwan Alshehhi was used twice on September 15. This helps confirm news reports from late 2001 that hijacker credit cards were used on the East Coast as late as early October 2001. At the time, a government official said that while some of the cards might have been stolen, “We believe there are additional people out there” who helped the hijackers.
* The FBI timeline shows other intriguing hints that the hijackers had associates in the US. For instance, on September 8, 2001, hijackers Majed Moqed and Hani Hanjour went to a bank with an unnamed Middle Eastern male. This man presented a Pennsylvania driver’s license for identification, but none of the 9/11 hijackers have been reported to have a driver’s license from that state. There is also a highly redacted section hinting that a woman in Laurel, Maryland, was helping Middle Eastern men and may have had links to hijackers Mohamed Atta and Ziad Jarrah.
* Around 10:00 a.m. on the morning of 9/11, a housekeeper at the Park Inn in Boston went to clean the room that hijackers Wail and Waleed Alshehri used the night before. She was confronted by a foreign male who told her that someone was still sleeping in the room and that she should come back around 1:00 p.m. The FBI was obviously puzzled by this, as the FBI’s timeline entry for this event ends with five question marks.
* It has previously been reported that shortly before 9/11, hijackers Nawaf Alhamzi and Khalid Almihdhar left a bag at a mosque in Laurel, Maryland, with a note attached to it saying, “Gift for the brothers.” The FBI’s timeline identifies this mosque as the Ayah Islamic Center. But the only contents mentioned in the bag were pilot log books, receipts, and other evidence documenting the brief flight training that Alhazmi and Almihdhar underwent in San Diego in early 2000. It is unclear why they would have kept the receipts, some mentioning their names, for over a year and then left them at a mosque to be found. After 9/11, a former high-level intelligence official told journalist Seymour Hersh that “Whatever trail was left [by the hijackers] was left deliberately—for the FBI to chase.”
* On June 11, 2001, hijackers Saeed Alghamdi, Ahmed Alnami, Marwan Alshehhi, and Mohamed Atta checked in to the Deluxe Inn, in Dania, Florida. The manager of the hotel later identified Saeed Alghamdi as having been there at the time with the others. However, travel records indicate Alghamdi did not arrive in the US until June 27. Other previously released evidence has suggested that many other hijackers were in the US before they officially arrived.
* Luai Sakra imprisoned in Turkey. [Source: Reuters] Several months ago, the London Times reported on an al-Qaeda leader imprisoned in Turkey named Luai Sakra. Sakra claims to have trained six of the hijackers in Turkey, including Satam Al Suqami. The FBI’s timeline supports his account, because Al Suqami’s passport record indicates he spent much of his time between late September 2000 and early April 2001 in Turkey. Furthermore, Sakra claimed that Al Suqami was one of the hijacker leaders, and not just another “muscle” hijacker as US investigators have alleged. The FBI’s timeline supports this, because it shows that Al Suqami was frequently on the move from 1998 onwards, flying to Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Bahrain, Oman, Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Iran, Malaysia, as well as Turkey, and he travelled to most of these countries more than once. This is particularly important because contributors to the History Commons have put together evidence suggesting that Sakra was a CIA asset before 9/11, which would suggest that Al Suqami and other hijackers were actually trained by a CIA asset.
* When Ahmed Alghamdi arrived in the US from London on May 5, 2001, an immigration inspector apparently noted that Alghamdi commented to him that the media was distorting the facts about Osama bin Laden and that bin Laden was a good Muslim. Alghamdi also indicated that he was travelling with more than $10,000 worth of currency. Shortly after 9/11, the New York Times, Washington Post, and other newspapers reported that by the spring of 2001, US customs was investigating Alghamdi and two other future 9/11 hijackers for their connections to known al-Qaeda operatives. One British newspaper even noted that Alghamdi should have been “instantly ‘red-flagged’ by British intelligence” as he passed through London on his way to the US because of a warning about his links to al-Qaeda. It has not been explained how Alghamdi was able to pass through British and US customs, even as he was openly praising bin Laden.
* Hijacker Nawaf Alhazmi was mugged outside of his apartment in Alexandria, Virginia, by an “unknown black male” on May 1, 2001. He filed a police report about this and gave his correct name and address. In August 2001, Alhazmi and Khalid Almihdhar were watchlisted by the CIA, and an FBI investigator began looking for them in the US. But, as one news report later noted, the investigator “never performed one of the most basic tasks of a police manhunt. He never ran Almihdhar or Alhazmi through the NCIC computer,” a widely used police database that should have listed this mugging, as well as a speeding ticket Alhazmi had received the month before.
* On August 26, 2001, Nawaf Alhazmi’s car was queried by police in Totowa, New Jersey, just a few miles from where he was living in Paterson. Police took down details of his rental car and put all the information in the NCIC database. On August 29, with Alhazmi still living in Paterson, an FBI agent was assigned to look for him. But as mentioned above, he didn’t search the NCIC database. On September 2, this agent did search a national motor vehicle database, and this, the mugging, and other encounters Alhazmi had with police should have shown up there as well, but for some inexplicable reason the agent still did not discover that Alhazmi was in the US.
* Hijacker Abdulaziz Alomari lost his plane ticket just before 9/11. He reported it lost on September 8, and picked a replacement ticket up from the American Airlines terminal at Logan airport in Boston the next day. The US government has generally promoted what one FBI official has called “the Superman scenario” - the idea that the hijackers made no mistakes. For instance, in 2004 one FBI official claimed, “These guys were pros. For us to have done anything, these guys had to make a mistake. And they didn’t.”


[b]The 9/11 Commission also downplayed the idea that the hijackers had any assistance in the US. The 9/11 Congressional Inquiry, by contrast, noted that many people who interacted with the hijackers in the US, including Omar al-Bayoumi, were under FBI investigation even before 9/11.[/b/]
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Postby nathan28 » Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:31 pm

I am so wary of the "OKC Connection" because it really struck me as revisionism. I remembered flipping through the History Channel and heard that "Terry Nichols traveled to the Philippines, where he may have learned to make bombs from Al-Queda!"

It just strikes me as too clean, too neat, for the "right wing militia" movement to tie Al-Queda. Remember, prior to 9/11, the biggest terror incidents in the US were domestic terrorists. If Al-Q and the Milita types were connected then it justifies that hell-bent theory that "all terrorists are created equal"... i just have so much dissonance trying to tie the lower-class redneck "militias" into the deep state. But then again, there is so much weird stuff going on at Elohim City in the '90s, and the Nick Berg "uh wrong laptop" thing...
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Postby Jeff » Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:53 pm

nathan28 wrote:I am so wary of the "OKC Connection" because it really struck me as revisionism. I remembered flipping through the History Channel and heard that "Terry Nichols traveled to the Philippines, where he may have learned to make bombs from Al-Queda!"


I don't think so. There's so much there, connecting both the OKC and the Philippines and the far right and Wahhabist patsies, and it runs a lot deeper than a simple al qaeda did it.

Nichols connects to both Ramzi Yousef and John Lepney, who connects to Michael Meiring.

Early 1990s and After: Mysterious Links Seen between Right Wing Westerners and Philippine Muslim Militants

In 2002, a Philippine newspaper article will claim that “Philippine police have long been aware of operational ties between local Islamic radicals and right-wing foreigners.” Apparently these ties become first noticeable in the early 1990s. The article is mainly about a 1996 recorded testimonial by Edwin Angeles, a Philippine undercover agent who had posed as a leader of the Philippine militant group Abu Sayyaf until 1995 (see 1991-Early February 1995). In his testimony, he claimed to have attended meetings between Muslim militants and Oklahoma City bomber Terry Nichols, plus another right-wing American named John Lepney (see Late 1992-Early 1993 and Late 1994). The article notes that Philippine officials believe such ties were not limited to these cases. “Why the strange alliance exists remains a puzzle to police and military intelligence agents. A senior counterterrorism expert says commerce and short-term goals could account for the unusual ties. ‘Eventually, they’ll be killing each other. But for now, they seem to be working together.’” Lepney had been seen in the rebellious areas of the southern Philippines since 1990 and occasionally boasted of his rebel ties. [Manila Times, 4/26/2002] Additionally, Michael Meiring, a US citizen who may have been a CIA operative with ties to Muslim militant leaders (see May 16, 2002) and December 2, 2004), periodically appeared in the same region beginning in 1992 (see 1992-1993). He sometimes stayed in Davao City, the same city where Lepney was based. Meiring claims to be a treasure hunter, but military officials note that there are “terrorists and intelligence operatives of all stripes about among treasure hunters’ circles.” Meiring also had ties to at least one neo-Nazi figure in the US. [Manila Times, 5/30/2002; Manila Times, 5/31/2002] Philippine officials will later identify a number of other suspicious right-wing Westerners living in the rebellious southern region of the country in the early 1990s. For instance, there is US citizen Nina North, whom acquaintances claim has CIA connections. From 1990 to 1992, she was reportedly working on business deals with bin Laden and other Middle East figures involving the transfer of gold bullion. In 2002, Philippine officials will claim that ties between right-wing Westerners and Muslim militants continue to the present day but they do not provide new information because of ongoing investigations. [Manila Times, 5/31/2002]

http://www.historycommons.org/entity.js ... n_lepney_1

Meiring, remember, was poached from his Davao City hospital bed by an FBI team days after accidentally blowing himself up a hotel room, and whisked back to the States before criminal charges could be laid or a proper investigation could be launched into his links to Abu Sayyaf and other rebel forces.

In 2004 a Houston TV news team tracked Meiring to LA. He denied the charges of terrorism, "refused an on-camera interview and would not comment on the record except for this:"

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Postby elfismiles » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:52 pm

Let's not forget the Southern Poverty Law Center connections and more...

OKC Bombing, Southern Poverty Law Center, Strassmeir News
Filed Under (Islam, OKC) by admin on 23-07-2007

From Scott Horton’s STRESS BLOG…

Federal Judge Admits Informant Inside OKCBOMB Plot - Morris Dees of the SPLC Implicated / March 30, 2006

Read the ruling by United States District Judge Dale A. Kimball in the case of the federal torture and murder of Kenneth Trentadue.

The Judge confirms the existance of the informant inside the bomb plot, and that individual’s ties to the Southern Poverty Law Center.
Just wait, it’s Strassmeir. I bet you ten bucks.

Hat tip: Chris Emery

UPDATE: The Judge has re-worded his ruling. JD Cash, McCurtain Daily Gazette :

“Late Thursday, U.S. District Judge Dale Kimball of Utah altered an order he made Wednesday in a Freedom of Information Act law-suit filed by attorney Jesse Tren-tadue.

Kimball amended the portion of his order that had read: “Plaintiff points out the fact that this docu-ment indicates that there was an undercover operative in with Tim McVeigh.”

With explanation, the judge changed order to read: “Plaintiff claims” that here was an under-cover operative.”

http://www.mccurtain.com/headline.shtml

Pressure Drop, Oh, Pressure, Oh, Yeah, Pressure’s got the drop on you.

Posted by— Scott @ 2:32 pm

http://weekendinterviewshow.com/JudgeKimball’sruling06OKCBombingandKennethTrentadueDeath.pdf [.pdf]

http://thestressblog.com/2006/03/30/fed ... mplicated/

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Hello Scott,

We appreciate the excellent support you’ve offered to the OKBIC and getting the truth out on this case over the past several years. You and your outstanding radio show are an excellent source of well researched, credible information on the OKC bombing as well as several dozen other government corruption issues.

Wish there were a few thousand more of ‘you’ out there.

Please keep us posted on any updates you come across re: the OKC case.

Best Regards,
Chris Emery


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Comment by Chris Emery http://www.okcbombing.org — March 30, 2006 @ 4:14 pm

Most of it is thanks to you guys at the Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee, and, of course, the great reporter JD Cash.

Comment by Scott http://www.weekendinterviewshow.com — March 30, 2006 @ 5:39 pm

…AND…

Bolsters claims government had informant inside conspiracy to …

WorldNetDaily, OR - Mar 30, 2006 … who were present at the paramilitary compound on April 17, 1995, when McVeigh called the camp looking for German-national Andreas Strassmeir and additional … http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=49510

SPLC Investigated For Complicity In OKC bombing
DisInfo.com, NY - Apr 3, 2006 … warnings about the planned bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building when Timothy McVeigh called Elohim City looking for Andreas Strassmeir, also believed … http://www.disinfo.com/site/displayarticle15723.html

And this audio interview from November of last year is of interest regarding Strassmeir and OKC:Download MP3
http://www.weekendinterviewshow.com/audio/cash2.mp3

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http://www.weekendinterviewshow.com/Int ... aspx?i=147

2005-07-22 MP3
http://www.weekendinterviewshow.com/audio/cash.mp3
Scott and J.D. Cash talk about recent developments in the Oklahoma City Bombing case. Play all of Scott's OKC audio clips here. second hour

2005-11-26 MP3
http://www.weekendinterviewshow.com/audio/cash2.mp3
J.D. Cash returns to explain the real facts behind the 1995 Oklahoma City Bombing, the Aryan Republican Army bank robbery ring, and the murder of Kenneth Trentadue.

SEARCH: jd cash site:mccurtain.com
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Daniel Hopsicker on Atta & Muslim Brotherhood http://www.madcowprod.com/11052004issue.html
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Postby elfismiles » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:54 pm

James Ridgeway interviewed August 3, 2007 by Scott Horton

James Ridgeway, DC bureau chief for Mother Jones magazine, discusses his new article, “In Search of John Doe No. 2: The Story the Feds Never Told About the Oklahoma City Bombing;” the ordeal of Utah attorney Jesse Trentadue and his brother Kenneth, who was tortured and murdered by government agents in his Oklahoma prison cell in a case of mistaken identity – they thought he was Richard Guthrie (likely one of the many neo-Nazi “John Does” involved in the Oklahoma City bombing), the Treasury and Justice Department informants inside the plot, complicity by the media and Congress in the cover-up, the DoJ’s prosecution of their own best witness in order to obstruct justice in the McVeigh and Nichols trials, and the possible role of former German army officer Andreas Strassmeir.

MP3 here.
http://dissentradio.com/radio/07_08_03_ridgeway.mp3

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/03/james-ridgeway/
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Postby nathan28 » Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:12 pm

elfismiles wrote:James Ridgeway interviewed August 3, 2007 by Scott Horton

James Ridgeway, DC bureau chief for Mother Jones magazine, discusses his new article, “In Search of John Doe No. 2: The Story the Feds Never Told About the Oklahoma City Bombing;” the ordeal of Utah attorney Jesse Trentadue and his brother Kenneth, who was tortured and murdered by government agents in his Oklahoma prison cell in a case of mistaken identity – they thought he was Richard Guthrie (likely one of the many neo-Nazi “John Does” involved in the Oklahoma City bombing), the Treasury and Justice Department informants inside the plot, complicity by the media and Congress in the cover-up, the DoJ’s prosecution of their own best witness in order to obstruct justice in the McVeigh and Nichols trials, and the possible role of former German army officer Andreas Strassmeir.

MP3 here.
http://dissentradio.com/radio/07_08_03_ridgeway.mp3

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/03/james-ridgeway/


OKC resonates with me for so many reasons. It was like someone dumped a whole bunch of American history into a CNN story: shades of racism, insanity, class war, political protest, violence, like a latter-day John Brown (but on the other side). And even Mother Jones is suggesting the investigation is sorely incomplete, and the Federal courts have said that there was a gov't informant in it? And it ties into David Meiring? I feel like I am being ARG'ed by the ARG to the ARG. Anyway, this is me having my realization that I don't really know anything about what really happened during one of the more important historical events in the US during my lifetime, like, watched on TV.

That, and on edit, that Jack Blood show really sounds like some serious disinformation--I'd be real careful relying on that and would probably focus on the FOIA stuff, Mother Jones, etc.
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Postby 8bitagent » Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:51 pm

Damn, lot's of good information. I gotta check out that Antiwar mp3 interview, good to see even official investigators see that something aint right in Kansas. Thanks Elfsmiles!
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