One atomic particle of total species-wide insanity

[Occult Means Hidden]

What disturbs me is that, from my understanding, it is very difficult to decapitate a head with just a large knife. I understand that from the taped beheadings of Berg that a mere slashing with a long knife isn't enough, but a sawing and intensive held-down cutting type action is needed. This almost seems superhuman or PCP-laden. The "robotic" description in action is troubling.

[sfnate]

The comment up-thread about SSRI's and antipsychotic medications being possibly causative is one I feel I have to challenge.

While it is true that studies have shown that SSRI's can result in raised incidence of impulsive acts, such as self-harm or harm to others, these acts are multifactorial in cause.

While my flippant remark was intentionally vague (no mention of SSRI's or antipsychotics specifically), I'll confess a bias, partly derived from personal experience, against these types of medications.

The simple fact of the matter is that no one, not the drug companies, not the doctors who prescribe them, know how the antidepressant drugs do what they do. Beyond that, there are even studies to suggest that some of the antidepressants are less effective than placebos. My admittedly inexpert opinion--although, as I said, I have experienced the effects, so there's something to back it up--is that it's very dubious science to experiment on people with drugs that have complex interactions with our body chemistry and potentially catastrophic effects. Anti-psychotics are a different class altogether, and I do know people who have regained control over their lives and "normal" functioning by taking them.

I intended no slur against people who have gained relief and integration, or those who are seeking it however they can. But I think that if we examine some of the more extreme forms of violent behaviour that have occurred in recent memory, in many cases we will find a troubling and perhaps meaningful coincidence of anti-depressants and the crime.

Maybe in this particular case it will turn out the killer was off his meds, which would seemingly support the opposite argument in favor--but maybe not.

[Lord Balto]

The schizo- in schizophrenia refers to the higher centers not connecting to the emotions, hence robot-like behavior. No doubt the guy was hearing voices saying: "Kill Him! Kill Him! Cut off his head!" The voices tend to have quite an authoritative power to them. James Culbertson attributed the early authoritarian societies to just such powerful voices heard by their subjects. Culbertson claims that the invention of reading and writing somehow short circuited these voices, which begs the question: If folks are reading less and less, will we see more and more of these sociopathic occurrences?

[Occult Means Hidden]

will we see more and more of these sociopathic occurrences?

Yes apparently. Another atom of the insanity.

Decapitated body of British girl, 17, found hacked to pieces in suitcase in Brazil

By Charlotte Gill and Gerard Couzens
Last updated at 1:05 AM on 01st August 2008

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The dismembered body of a 17-year-old British girl has been found in a suitcase in Brazil.

Police say Cara Marie Burke was murdered by an ex-boyfriend she had threatened to expose as a drug-dealer.

Her torso was found in a suitcase dumped on a riverbank on Monday, but her head, arms and legs were missing after being thrown into the water.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1040212/Decapitated-body-British-girl-17-hacked-pieces-suitcase-Brazil.html

[Wilbur Whatley]

I'm mega-creeped-out and horrified by this event.

It strongly reminds me of Malachi Martin's great book Hostage to the Devil.

I'm an orthodox Roman Catholic, and so is Martin. That is the greatest book ever written on demon possession.

I have little doubt that that is what we are dealing with here.

We should all sing praise every day that there are not that many devils, and not that many people vulnerable to possession, so that our own individual chance of being such a victim is very small.

Don't give me crap about meds. That doesn't do THAT.

[justdrew]

first they came for our guns, now they come for knives

Then they came for our knife carrying robotic killers.

"and I did nothing because _I_ was not a knife carrying robotic killer"

[unaltered]

first they came for our guns, now they come for knives

Then they came for our knife carrying robotic killers.

"and I did nothing because I was not a knife carrying robotic killer"

This could just be some viral marketing for a new Zombie movie.

HUGH!!!!!!!!! Front and centre.

[justdrew]

the had just taken a smoke break - maybe this guy did do some PCP while he was stretching his legs.

[justdrew]

first they came for our guns, now they come for knives

Then they came for our knife carrying robotic killers.

"and I did nothing because I was not a knife carrying robotic killer"

This could just be some viral marketing for a new Zombie movie.

HUGH!!!!!!!!! Front and centre.

"bus incident raises tough questions about viral marketing. has it gone too far? News at 11."

[justdrew]

I'm mega-creeped-out and horrified by this event.

It strongly reminds me of Malachi Martin's great book Hostage to the Devil.

I'm an orthodox Roman Catholic, and so is Martin. That is the greatest book ever written on demon possession.

I have little doubt that that is what we are dealing with here.

We should all sing praise every day that there are not that many devils, and not that many people vulnerable to possession, so that our own individual chance of being such a victim is very small.

Don't give me crap about meds. That doesn't do THAT.

oh dear, I don't want to threadjack but I've got to ask you... Why does God let his demons play around like this then? don't blame the demons who are only acting out their nature, blame the all powerful being who created them and lets them run wild.

Still, perhaps some sort of supernatural being did take control, I suppose it's possible.

[sfnate]

Don't give me crap about meds. That doesn't do THAT.

Maybe the demons of today have taken up residence in our little pills.

Some people think technology is possessed by the spirit of Ahriman.

Demons come and go as they please, in a variety of shapes and guises.

Only the most literal would think they manifest solely in cloven hooves and long pointy tails.

[thegovernmentflu]

The comment up-thread about SSRI's and antipsychotic medications being possibly causative is one I feel I have to challenge.

While it is true that studies have shown that SSRI's can result in raised incidence of impulsive acts, such as self-harm or harm to others, these acts are multifactorial in cause.

I agree with this, but my point was just that people should make these same distinctions when they're looking at illegal drug use. But they don't. If something like this attack occurs and there's even a remote chance of illegal drug use by the suspect, the drug will take a large part of the blame in the incident. In the case of psychiatric drugs, the opposite is true.

In this case, we do not yet know what motivated this offender. Perhaps he was acutely psychotic and NOT taking medication that he should have been taking. Perhaps not. Why not wait and find out?

But how IS it determined if someone "needs medication"? There's no test for the biochemical imbalance. It just so happens that most stimulant drugs work by raising levels of serotonin. By stating the mechanism of the ssri drugs in chemical terms, psychiatry makes it appear that a specific chemical illness is being treated. But that's untrue. SSRI drugs have very specific stimulant effects, and the FDA was originally going to classify them as stimulants.

The same is true of "antipsychotics". It's an indisputable fact that the drugs were designed to be tranquilizers, and they were originally acknowledged by psychiatrists as such. They were referred to as "major tranquilizers" until recent decades. Only fairly recently did psychiatrists start telling patients that the drugs were "normalizing" dopamine levels in their brain. And that's the thing: it's completely true that those drugs DO lower dopamine levels in the brain. The problem is, a drug that lowers dopamine levels in your brain is a major tranquilizer. The effect on the dopamine system is the mechanism by which the sedation occurs. So you have a clear instance here of deliberate cynical deception, presumably "for the patient's own good". Daily use of these tranquilizers can cause permanent brain damage. This is no theory; it's listed in the official side effects list.

I can also prove that SSRIs have specific effects, and that the "chemical imbalance" theory is nonsense. Just apply basic logic. Why are so many soldiers in Iraq given SSRIs? I thought that the drugs worked by correcting a brain disease, yet still you see time and time again that the drugs are being given to suppress symptoms caused by external stress. Either the drug works by targeting a brain disease, or it doesn't. Psychiatry tries to have it both ways. No psychiatrist I've debated with can account for this particular lapse in logic.

Anyway, my point:

Because of the "biochemical imbalance" marketing campaign that we've been exposed to, people don't really consider "medications" to be on par with street drugs. So when you're considering the problem of psychotic reactions to psychiatric drugs, you have to also factor in the "involuntary intoxication" element. If someone is taking an SSRI every day, but the trusted doctor who prescribed them never informed them of the side effects or the fact that the drugs are stimulants, then the person's judgment can become severely skewed. People who take these drugs don't approach life as if they're on a psychotropic drug 24 hours a day; they actually believe that they're merely taking a pill to "normalize" their brain. They act like they're taking a vitamin, and their doctors do little to deter this dangerous attitude.

That's what I think causes the most problems with psychiatric drugs. When someone's thinking becomes distorted through constant exposure to a psychiatric drug, they don't take a step back and think "Hmm... maybe this drug I'm on has something to do with this new bizarre mode of thought. Perhaps I shouldn't trust anything that I think right now." If someone is experiencing stimulant psychosis on SSRIs and they tell their doctor, they'll be told that the drug merely "activated" an underlying "manic depressive illness" and they'll be put on major tranquilizers.

Mainstream psychiatry is a bizarre drug cult. It's on par with Scientology. That's why the two groups are so at odds with each other; they're essentially rival cults who both require people to suspend critical thought, basic logic, and any adherence to actual science.

And yeah, I'm jumping the gun a bit in the case of this bus attack... but almost every single time something like this happens those drugs are involved. It's a distinct and undeniable pattern.

[Brighid_Moon]

thegovernmentflu: Educated reasoning - I like how you think.

Also: SSRI's suck and are addictive and have horrible withdrawal symptoms that are hazardous to your health. (This is the Reader's Digest Condensed Version of experiential agreement with you, completely. For those that want more information about SSRIs and the history of psych meds - Google is your friend.)

Also: Interesting comment about Scientology, considering the man who created the cult was schizophrenic and had a beef with shrinks. >.>

tl;dr: All drugs are drugs and should be treated equally for both good and ill. That is all.

[Lord Balto]

Sorry, that was Julian Jaynes, The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind. Culbertson did a lot of work on causal transmissions and mind mapping, but not insanity per se.

Jaynes basically attributed the voices heard by schizophrenics to the area of the brain directly across from the speech centers. In essence, one-half of the brain was working for the authorities (in the early river valley civilizations) and telling the other half how to act. The authority of the voices, originally, was the authority of the absolute ruler, the king. And make no mistake about it, the early kings had no problem with killing people.

[thegovernmentflu]

thegovernmentflu: Educated reasoning - I like how you think.

Also: SSRI's suck and are addictive and have horrible withdrawal symptoms that are hazardous to your health. (This is the Reader's Digest Condensed Version of experiential agreement with you, completely. For those that want more information about SSRIs and the history of psych meds - Google is your friend.)

Also: Interesting comment about Scientology, considering the man who created the cult was schizophrenic and had a beef with shrinks. >.>

I've always thought the main reason that Scientology and Psychiatry were so at odds with each other because they have mutually contradictory stances about what causes mental problems. At least that seems like a likely reason.

I've thought a lot about Scientology, because it looms so large whenever anyone tries to dig deeper into the history of psychiatric drugs. I've actually found that they're right on the money when it comes to criticism of psychiatric practices. It's weird for me to think that all these celebrities like Tom Cruise are running around with intimate knowledge of MKULTRA and stuff like that.

All drugs are drugs and should be treated equally for both good and ill. That is all.

I couldn't agree more. It's nice to see reasonable stances on psychiatry on this board. With all the esoteric knowledge floating around here, I'm always dismayed to see how many people buy into something as blatantly fraudulent as mainstream psychiatry. It's kinda disheartening after awhile, and it causes me to keep harping on the issue to draw attention to it.