Anthrax suspect dies in apparent suicide

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Postby FourthBase » Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:41 pm

Someone on this forum posted a couple Washington Post(or Times) or NYTimes(I forget) from early September 2001 that showed the US government was running anthrax war games involving Ft Dietrich MD scientists mailing out fake specimens. I clearly remember something like that.


Link to any kind of text for that would be awesome.
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Postby Nordic » Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:43 pm

but maybe i have been watching too much "Sopranos"...


Really, watching the Sopranos will tell you a lot of what you need to know about how the current regime operates.

They ARE gangsters. Plain and simple.

Notice how when outsiders deal with the Sopranos, things tend to go very badly for them.
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Postby IanEye » Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:54 pm

Nordic wrote:Notice how when outsiders deal with the Sopranos, things tend to go very badly for them.


OT - it is funny, my favorite character on the Sopranos is right on the line of outside/inside: Artie Bucco
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Postby Julia W » Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:57 pm

Also remember this- article is from 2002, the video is from the early 90s, but the incident happened some time b/4 that, I'll have to watch the video again.- Julia

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Issue Number 12

by Daniel Hopsicker
January 7--Venice, Florida.

Despite Attorney General Ashcroft's statements that the anthrax mailings had a domestic source, most Americans are still making an association between the bio-terror scare and Osama Bin Laden’s Arab terrorists.

This is understandable. Americans yearn to see at least one of the heinous crimes committed against the American people last fall solved, and its perpetrators punished.

But there’s always been something a little hinky—suspicious—about the anthrax terror that followed hard on the heels of the Sept 11 disaster.

Just as people began asking questions about how Mohamed Atta and his terrorist cadre could have infiltrated so easily into our country... the anthrax hit.

And immediately America's obedient media turned its full attention to the bio-terror threat. And although some (relatively) brave FBI agents complained loudly when they were pulled off the investigation into Atta and his terrorist buddies and transferred to the anthrax case, it was all to no avail.

Case Closed?

Anyone who was still waiting for Colin Powell’s promised "white paper" on the terrorists was wasting their time.

"Case closed," said Atty. Gen. Ashcroft.

The results of this sudden change of focus are today everywhere around us. There is still no coherent chronology of the WTC disaster. And—surprise surprise—there are still no suspects in custody in the murder of five poor souls unlucky enough to have gotten dusted with deadly white powder.

Perhaps the bio-terrorists have slipped out of the country, and are now riding around on motorbikes through the Afghan countryside with Mullah Omar.

Follow the dancing ball

Could the anthrax scare have been intended as a diversion? Could bio-terror have been unleashed on the American people to divert their attention from seeking a coherent explanation for the holes, discrepancies, and unanswered questions that the FBI shows absolutely no interest in clearing up?

Then came the recent news that either our CIA—or our military—is the original source of the anthrax used in the letters to Senators Daschle & Leahy...

And that’s when we remembered Russell Welch, an investigator for the Arkansas State Police who had been trying to blow the whistle a dozen years ago on the massive cocaine smuggling scandal unfolding in front of him in Mena, Arkansas.

What does an obscure state cop in an obscure state have to do with today’s bio-terror?

Russell Welch was exposed to weaponized anthrax over a decade ago when he opened a letter which released electrostatically charged floating spores in his face.

"I got so sick that my wife had to help me to the car," Welch told us several years ago, when we interviewed him for our two-hour documentary (banned from TV) about the Mena Scandal called "The Secret Heartbeat of America."

"Luckily we had a doctor in town, a Vietnam vet, who when he saw me immediately called the Center for Disease Control in Atlanta."

Prompt diagnosis saved Welch’s life, if not his health. As Welch can tell you, anthrax is extremely nasty stuff...

"The next day a doctor came into my room and asked me how much danger was involved with my job," Welch relates. "I told her danger was pretty much inherent with the job, because I was a cop that generally handled major cases, and asked why she wanted to know."

The doctor told Welch, "I think you’ve been poisoned with anthrax. Somebody did this to you."

Later his doctor's office was burglarized, and test results and correspondence with Center for Disease Control officials in Atlanta were stolen.

No one has fingered Al Qaeda for the burglary of Russell Welch’s doctor’s office. So clearly, some other organization must have been involved.

If it worked once...

Anthrax was used to silence Welch, and stop him from investigating the CIA cocaine smuggling operation associated with Barry Seal at the infamous Mena Arkansas airport.

Bio-terror was employed on an Arkansas State law enforcement officer to stop his investigation into a CIA aviation scandal.

Russell Welch was targeted, either to make him an asset... or to make him dead.

No one we know of has been asking why two Democratic senators, and the major media, were targeted with anthrax. No one has wondered aloud why, say, Republican Senator Shelby from Alabama was spared, and Senator Daschle wasn't...

Could someone be sending a similar message to the one sent Russell Welch a dozen years ago to two influential Democratic Senators today?

Are these two episodes related?

Could someone be engineering this bio-terror crisis to silence anyone from questioning the "official version of events?"

Steering the American public’s focus away from potentially damaging revelations about Mohamed Atta and his cadre’s possibly explosive past links to people inside our own government?

Maybe somebody should ask. Over to you, Senator.
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Postby Jeff » Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:07 pm

Nordic wrote:Really, watching the Sopranos will tell you a lot of what you need to know about how the current regime operates.


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Postby chiggerbit » Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:13 pm

Do you realize that we don't have an anthrax subject in data dump?
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Postby tal » Fri Aug 01, 2008 7:59 pm

fromGeorge Washington's Blog


Friday, August 1, 2008
Government Tries to Bury Anthrax Story

The government is trying to bury the 2001 anthrax attack scandal (the anthrax came from a U.S. military base) by claiming that one of the key suspects - Bruce E. Ivins - was a "lone nut" who committed suicide. The government claims that the anthrax letters were an innocent mistake which was "part of an Army scientist's warped plan to test his cure for the deadly toxin". Case closed.

There are just a couple of loose ends:

* Ivins "was actually part of a team that helped the government investigate the anthrax attacks after Sept. 11"

* "The attacks were not entirely unexpected", according to a journalist, who was urged soon after 9/11 to take Cipro by a high-level government official (confirmation that government employees started taking Cipro before the Anthrax attacks here). As Michael Fury put it, "So even if Ivins was involved, how would 'a high government official' know that a rogue bioweapons scientist was going to 'go postal' with anthrax if that 'high government official' was not himself involved?" (and see this comment by Atrios)

* If Ivins was trying to "test his cure for the deadly toxin", why did he only send anthrax to the members of Congress most likely to say no to the Patriot Act and to people within the media? (I guess the Unabomber's lawyer should have argued that his client sent bombs to certain specific people involved in the technology field because he was testing defenses to bombs). And why didn't Ivins send his "cure" to the targets before he mailed the anthrax? How could that be a "test [of] "his cure"?

* Why did the anthrax letters attempt to link 9/11 and the anthrax attack and pretend to be from radical Muslims and be anti-America and anti-Israel, if they really came from an American with a warped plan but good intentions?

* Why did the U.S. government - including, apparently, the people responsible for sending the anthrax letters - falsely claim (and read this) that the materials in the anthrax proved that it was manufactured in Iraq? Would a disgruntled "lone nut" be motivated to concoct a false justification for invading Iraq?

* "The FBI has completely shut Congress out of its now five-year investigation into anthrax attacks on Capitol Hill and around the nation". In other words, Congress -- which legally has every right to know what really happened, and which was the main victim of the attack -- is being kept in the dark. Why is that?

* An entirely different guy was actually caught on tape entering the storage area where the anthrax used in the letters was stored, without proper authorization and after being fired from his job over a racially motivated attack on an Egyptian co-worker. But instead of investigating him, or Ivins, the FBI spent years wasting time and falsely accusing an innocent guy

* The lawyer who had been representing Ivins in connection with the anthrax investigation categorically maintains Ivins' innocence

But its only crackpots who think that these loose ends point towards anything sinister, right? Well, the bioweapons expert who actually drafted the current bioweapons law (the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989), says he is convinced that the anthrax attacks that killed five people were perpetrated and covered up by criminal elements of the U.S. government. The motive: to foment a police state by killing off and intimidating opposition to post-9/11 legislation such as the USA PATRIOT Act and the later Military Commissions Act.

Is he right?

Maybe, but he clearly forgot one motive: to justify war against Iraq.

Note: Even if Ivins was the killer, and even if he did act alone, it was still a false flag attack. Why?

Because Ivins was solidly in the Judeo-Christian, not Muslim, camp, and yet the anthrax letters were made to frame Muslims for the attack. For example, Ivins wrote:

"By blood and faith, Jews are God's chosen"

Some commentators instead claim that Ivins is Catholic.

But one thing is clear: he isn't a Muslim.
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Postby chiggerbit » Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:05 pm

Because Ivins was solidly in the Judeo-Christian, not Muslim, camp, and yet the anthrax letters were made to frame Muslims for the attack. For example, Ivins wrote:

"By blood and faith, Jews are God's chosen"


He might have been doing that to make it look like it was Israelis or Jews.
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Postby stickdog99 » Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:20 pm

So it took them 7 years to figure this stuff out? And now that the guy's dead, it's all presented to us wrapped neatly in a bow!
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Postby chiggerbit » Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:21 pm

Jeff said:

chiggerbit wrote:


Here's an interesting interview with Irvins brother. Sounds like there's something wrong with him:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/200 ... uspect.cnn


Whoa.

When I read him quoted in the original story as saying "I was questioned by the feds, and I sung like a canary," I thought there'd be an interesting story there, but not this interesting.

Old Tom has some issues, and not just with his brother, but he certainly had those as well. He makes a big deal of his own military experience (and the way in which he does implies it, or his "patriotism," was a point of contention with his brother), he doesn't claim any knowledge at all about the attacks or his brother's alleged part in them, but does say "He can go to hell as far as I'm concerned."

So why is Tom out front on this, as the only witness to his brother's character?


Because Tom is either high or brain damaged in some way. He looks a lot better in print than he sounds in audio, where it becomes clear that something is wrong with the man. The interviewer had a hard time not giggling. It's pretty disgusting the way some of these bobbleheads take advantage of people like Tom.
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Postby chiggerbit » Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:45 pm

Ok, I'm going to start dumping stuff from my files here and in the new anthrax data dump thread. Please post what you have, and don't worrry about whether your stuff agrees with mine or not. The more information, the better.

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j022202.html




February 22, 2002


ANTHRAX COVER-UP?
We know who the suspects are – so why no arrest?
The news that the US government has set up a special department, the "Office of Strategic Influence," to plant false news items has liberals and journalists (or do I repeat myself?) in a funk: this is terrible, they whine, why it's unprecedented. To which the only possible reply is: Oh really?




DISINFORMATION: A SHORT HISTORY
The US government has been playing the same game since the dawn of the cold war, when the Congress of Cultural Freedom was run as a CIA operation to influence world opinion in the struggle against the Soviet Union: A whole raft of ostensibly "private" individuals, such as Irving Kristol, a CCF stalwart, and assorted other intellectuals-for-hire, were on the CIA payroll, although they may not have known it (or wanted to know it) at the time. The Agency cultivated "mainstream" journalists, planted news stories, and routinely used the media to mislead, misinform, and confuse. Do you mean the government is lying to us, scream the liberals, who are shocked – shocked! – that such a thing is possible. Fer chrissake, what do you think they've been doing all along?

THE BIG LIE

The US government is spreading lies. Why is this considered so unusual? After all, our entire foreign policy is based on a structure of lies, the central one being the inevitable beneficence and altruism of the United States as a world power; and this, in turn, is based on the Biggest Lie of Them All, the one that seeks to justify and explain every bit of self-aggrandizement on the part of our great and glorious leaders: the lie of "democracy," which rubberstamps, every four years or so, decisions that have already been made by those who really rule.

EMANATIONS OF UNTRUTH

So they're lying to us: but lies come in all sorts of colors and shades of prevarication, including the more subtle emanations of untruth that might be called lies of omission. Liars must always cover their tracks: indeed, government officials spend a lot of their time, energy – and your money – doing exactly that. It isn't what they're telling us that matters so much: any halfway conscious human being is smart enough to discount that right off the bat. It's what they're not telling us that counts.

GATE-KEEPERS

Of course, in this day and age, for a lie to go over, government officials must have at least the passive cooperation of journalists – or at least those relatively few gatekeepers who pretty much still determine what gets reported and what is relegated to the Memory Hole. This doesn't mean that journalists are recruited to write lies, but, somehow, they know what not to write about.

TWO SPIKED STORIES

A good example is the four-part series on Fox News reporting on an extensive Israeli spy operation in the US that was discovered, apparently, prior to 9/11 – and raising the possibility of Israeli foreknowledge of the attacks. After four days of one stunning revelation after another – the Israelis had penetrated US government communications systems, they had been watching Al Qaeda cells in the US, and had sent agents to penetrate US military facilities – the story dropped like a stone in a bottomless abyss, noiselessly and seemingly without leaving so much as a ripple of air in its wake. Another example: the story about how the stocks of certain companies with a 9/11 connection were dramatically manipulated in the days and hours prior to the attacks. Who profited? What became of the promised Securities and Exchange Commission investigation? So far we have heard not a peep out of the news media on this, nor has anyone in Congress bothered to ask questions.

AT LOOSE ENDS

But the most dramatic loose end left conspicuously hanging in the aftermath of 9/11 is undoubtedly the anthrax story. For a few weeks in October, and into November, the anthrax letters sent to media outlets and prominent elected officials were the top story: but when the attacks stopped, and the media ran out of scare stories on the possibilities of bio-terrorism (after all, how many documentaries about smallpox and ebola can you run without sending the audience fleeing?) the coverage sputtered out rather quickly, and soon came to a complete dead end. The investigation, too, seemed to have reached a similar blind alley: the authorities were baffled, or so they said. But they were lying: indeed, as the investigation proceeded, usually voluble government officials, eager to be seen as "on the job," were laconic in their public pronouncements. On November 19, John Bolton, Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security, averred that "We don't know…at the moment, in a way that we could make public, where the anthrax attacks came from."

Of course they can't make it public: because, at the very least, the truth points to their own incompetence and passive complicity. And, at worst …

WHY THE FOOT-DRAGGING?

Barbara Hatch Rosenberg, director of the Federation of American Scientists' chemical and biological weapons program, says the US government has "a strong hunch" about who is behind the anthrax letters, but is "dragging its feet" in the investigation because the chief suspect is a former government scientist with knowledge of "secret activities that the government would not like to see disclosed." Rosenberg has written a very interesting analysis of the anthrax attacks that leads to one and only one ineluctable conclusion: that the chief culprit was not some Arab terrorist, associated with Al Qaeda or similar groups, but an American, a former US government employee – one who, furthermore, is a middle-aged "insider" in the biodefense field, with a doctoral degree, who probably worked in the USAMRID laboratory, at Fort Detrick, Maryland, still has access – and had some dispute with a government agency.

PLEASE TRY THIS AT HOME!

Furthermore, given the information compiled by Rosenberg, and with the aid of Google.com, anyone with computer access can identify by name the person or persons in possession of the key to unlocking the mystery of the anthrax attack.

POISON PEN

The strain of weaponised anthrax used in the attacks narrows the search for the perpetrator(s) down to a few US labs: but law enforcement agencies have yet to issue a single subpoena for employee records at the four labs with a history of working with this strain. We know about the anthrax letters, of course, and the several hoax letters, but a major clue in this investigation is an anonymous letter, sent before the anthrax hysteria, in late September, to the military police at the Marine base in Quantico, Virginia, accusing a US government bioengineer, Egyptian-born Dr. Ayaad Assaad, of being behind a bio-terrorist plot. The letter-writer revealed a detailed knowledge of Dr. Assaad's life and work at USAMRID, including details of his personal life that only someone who worked with him could have possibly known: indeed, the poison-pen author claimed to have formerly worked with Dr. Assaad.

FBI TAKES A PASS

While FBI spokesman Chris Murray confirmed that Assaad was not under suspicion, he also stated to reporters that the FBI is not trying to find out who sent the anonymous hate-letter – which the FBI won't show to Assaad. The odd timing of the letter – sent after the anthrax letters were mailed, but before their deadly contents were known – doesn't even have them mildly curious.

WHERE THE ANTHRAX TRAILS LEADS

Rosenberg believes that the poison-pen missive was written by the real perpetrator of the anthrax attacks, who sought to ride the wave of anti-Arab, anti-Muslim hysteria that swept the nation after 9/11. This also fits the pattern of masquerade that characterizes the anthrax letters to NBC, Daschle, Leahy, et al, with their anti-Israel, pro-Muslim slogans neatly printed in block letters. Indeed, the one thread that seems to run throughout this story is anti-Arab animus, as the astonishing – and truly frightening – story of what happened at Ft. Detrick in the early 1990s makes all too clear….

IT CAME FROM FT. DETRICK

Things were turning up missing at AMRIID, and Lt. Col. Michael Langford was baffled. He suspected that someone was tampering with records, perhaps in order to conduct unauthorized research. He told a lab technician to "make a list of everything that was missing," and "it turned out that there was quite a bit of stuff that was unaccounted for," 27 sets of specimens, including anthrax, hanta virus, simian AIDS virus "and two that were labeled 'unknown' – an Army euphemism for classified research whose subject was secret," as this chilling Hartford Courant story by Jack Dolan and Dave Altimari puts it. One set of specimens has since been found: the rest are still missing….

CAUGHT ON TAPE

An investigation was launched that exposed the shockingly lax security measures at the lab, and raised the possibility that some specimens may never have been entered in lab records. Also uncovered was a tape from a surveillance camera showing the entry of an unauthorized person into the lab, at 8:40, on January 23, 1992, let in by Dr. Marian Rippy, lab pathologist. The night visitor was Lt. Col. Philip Zack, a former employee who had left as a result of a dispute with the lab over his alleged harassment of Dr. Assaad. The Courant reports:

"Zack left Fort Detrick in December 1991, after a controversy over allegations of unprofessional behavior by Zack, Rippy, [lab technician Charles] Brown and others who worked in the pathology division. They had formed a clique that was accused of harassing the Egyptian-born Assaad, who later sued the Army, claiming discrimination."

THE KAMEL KLUB KIDS

According to Assaad, in the week before Easter 1991, he found a poem in his mailbox, described in another Courant story:

"The poem, which became a court exhibit, has 235 lines, many of them lewd, mocking Assaad. The poem also refers to another creation of the scientists who wrote it — a rubber camel outfitted with sexually explicit appendages. The poem reads: 'In (Assaad's) honor we created this beast; it represents life lower than yeast.' The camel, it notes, each week will be given 'to who did the least.' The poem also doubles as an ode to each of the participants who adorned the camel, who number at least six and referred to themselves as 'the camel club.' Two — Dr. Philip Zack and Dr. Marian Rippy — voluntarily left Fort Detrick soon after Assaad brought the poem to the attention of supervisors."

Charming, eh? This kind of organized harassment has an ideological edge to it not completely attributable to personal antipathy, and seems politically inspired, a possibility that is intriguing given the political repercussions of the anthrax scare.

SULLIVAN SAYS: 'NUKE 'EM!'

Bill Kristol, of the Weekly Standard, was positively gloating that, after years of neoconservative hectoring – and with little to show for it except a few hundred thousand dead Iraqi babies – the anthrax attacks had finally put the "get Iraq" lobby over the top in Washington: the Iraqis, he exulted, would now get what was coming to them. But Andrew Sullivan, for his part, wasn't content with a mere bombing campaign or even an invasion: Writing in his "weblog" for October 17 [01], he demanded that we nuke 'em without waiting for the evidence:

"At this point, it seems to me that a refusal to extend the war to Iraq is not even an option. We have to extend it to Iraq. It is by far the most likely source of this weapon; it is clearly willing to use such weapons in the future; and no war against terrorism of this kind can be won without dealing decisively with the Iraqi threat. We no longer have any choice in the matter."

I guess he must've taken an overdose of testosterone that day: what is astonishing is that, after having made such an obviously deranged statement in all seriousness, he was ever taken seriously by anyone again. Instead, he has been lionized and touted as the living incarnation of George Orwell – a truly Orwellian claim, considering his recent defense of the Office of Strategic Influence plan to spread lies far and wide:

"Those kinds of lies are often necessary to ensure the success of military strikes, and pose no threat to the credibility of the American government or the domestic press."

What kind of lies Sullivan tells himself in order to evade the overwhelming evidence of his complete moral bankruptcy is open to speculation. But of one thing we can be sure: he has by now completely forgotten what he wrote about the anthrax attacks and the alleged moral imperative of immediately reducing an entire nation to a nuclearized cinder. As I wrote in a column some months ago:

"It kind of reminds me of the idiot who killed a turban-wearing immigrant from India, because, as he told his wife, 'all Arabs should be shot.' When the cops came to his Phoenix home to arrest him, he reportedly said: "I'm an American. Arrest me and let those terrorists run wild?" The differences between this drunken sub-literate wife-beating fool and the literary wonder boy of the neocon set are superficial: morally, they are brothers under the skin – though at least the Arizona knuckle-dragger had the courage to act on his murderous convictions. All Sullivan can do is write in his little weblog – and thank God for that!"

OMINOUS PARALLELS

There is an ominous and telling parallel with the 9/11 investigation here: that's another instance in which the authorities are being extra careful not to dig too deeply, at least in public. For the anthrax sub-plot was almost like an afterthought to the main mystery of 9/11: how did an underground terrorist network manage to operate in the US for as long as five years, and perhaps more, without being detected by law enforcement agencies? Multiple agencies of government were laden with multi-billion dollar budgets earmarked for "anti-terrorist" activities, yet they knew nothing of this operation, had not even a hint. The CIA and other intelligence agencies aren't to blame, says CIA director George Tenant, who testified before Congress that "intelligence will never give you 100 percent predictive capability."

Yeah, but how about 50 percent, or 30 percent? Perhaps even as much as 10 percent intelligence might have changed the course of events, and prevented or at least ameliorated the biggest terrorist attack in US history. At any rate, the investigation isn't going anywhere, no doubt for the same reasons the FBI refuses to move on the anthrax case: too much embarrassing and potentially explosive information could get out, exposing the US government – or, perhaps, one of its closest allies – as criminally negligent or even complicit in the attacks.

A DOMESTIC OPERATION?

Evidence that Saddam Hussein was the mastermind behind the anthrax attacks has failed to materialize: the evidence, and official suspicions, all point to a domestic operation. But that doesn't rule out an overseas connection. Iraq isn't the only foreign intelligence service that has the resources, methods, and most importantly the motive to pull off a stunt clearly designed to spread fear throughout the land – and provoke a violent American military response. The mystery, to this day, remains unsolved – and, if you don't believe that, then you'd better pay a visit to the Office of Strategic Influence. I'm sure they'd be more than glad to straighten you out….



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Postby Elvis » Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:49 pm

This is what I was getting at in my earlier post on this thread:


* An entirely different guy was actually caught on tape entering the storage area where the anthrax used in the letters was stored, without proper authorization and after being fired from his job over a racially motivated attack on an Egyptian co-worker. But instead of investigating him, or Ivins, the FBI spent years wasting time and falsely accusing an innocent guy


The entirely different guy is Lt. Col. Philip Zack, referenced in the 2002 Hartford Courant article I posted this morning. I'll go back and highlight the pertinent phrases.

Sorry if the point of my posting the article wasn't clear; it is that Zack---an obvious suspect---has seemingly escaped scrutiny.

For example, listening to NPR this morning, I wanted to pull my hair out when the host asked the correspondent, "So there are no other suspects?" and the reporter seemed to waver a moment and said something like "well...not really" and that was that. The reporter did say the whole story felt odd, mentioning, for example, that the FBI had offered no evidence against Ivins.

Ivin sure sounds like the wrong man to me.
Meanwhile, I have to wonder why Philip Zack is not the focus of investigation (assuming the Courant article is accurate).

Again, here is a link to the article:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARCHIVE/ctnow_com%20SPECIALS.htm

(The 'original' is in the Courant Archives but there's a fee to read it.)
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Postby Lord Balto » Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:56 pm

Considering that Dick Cheney has just been caught red-handed trying to fabricate an incident with Iran to get us into another war, does anyone with an ounce of brains take anything the feds say seriously anymore? Sounds to me like they have just managed to kill another innocent person to add to the hundreds of thousands they have already killed. Welcome to the Gulag.
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Postby chiggerbit » Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:58 pm

I should add that just because I post an article or document, it doesn't mean that I buy it or that I find it credible in its entirety, just that I believe that the more information the better. We need a pool of information. And, yes, I do believe that our Congresscritters know more than they want us to know, starting with asshole Lee Hamilton.
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