Anthrax suspect dies in apparent suicide

Moderators: Elvis, DrVolin, Jeff

Postby Wilbur Whatley » Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:46 am

stickdog99, let me just say: Amen! I wish I had written that post.

Oh how this STINKS!

Oh how it stinks how the media just bends over to whatever the government offers, even a thoroughly discredited fascist government like this one!

I've always thought Zack was the culprit. And nobody has ever done a full investigation to discover his ties to Libby and Cheney.

I've always thought Cheney was behind the anthrax attacks. It always seemed obvious to me. And that's why the FBI has always been so scared shitless about it.

So finally they murder some innocent guy and pretend to close the books. Nice.
Wilbur Whatley
 
Posts: 401
Joined: Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:41 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby Corvidaerex » Sat Aug 02, 2008 3:22 am

Wilbur Whatley wrote:For what it's worth, I've been reading everything I can on this, and I'll bet anything Ivins is completely innocent.

But why would they push this right now?


I was wondering that, as well. This is the vacation season (for the newsmakers who can afford holidays) and the stories are all silly. Why this, now?

I'm no Obamatard, but it's hard to look at this without thinking there would surely be TV ads about the Bush administration failing to bring Bin Laden to Justice or even finding the maniac who killed people and terrified the nation with anthrax. Now? Case closed.
Corvidaerex
 
Posts: 252
Joined: Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:51 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby 8bitagent » Sat Aug 02, 2008 4:01 am

WELL THATS IT!

The Anthrax case has been solved!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25974346/

And 9/11 was solved to! Turns out 9/11 was ALL the work of a taxi driver.

Now we can all go back to sleep.

IanEye wrote:

my take on the anthrax episode was that a certain faction felt left out and were kind of hurt by that.

sort of like, "hey, i thought when the coup went down i was going to get to be a part of it! waaah!!"

when a group pulls off a coup, the first thing they want to do after is restore order, their order , as soon as possible.

it always felt like the anthrax episode was one group telling the coup group, "we know who you are, and we want in, now, otherwise chaos might continue for a while. and who really wants that?"

but maybe i have been watching too much "Sopranos"...


The scary thing about 9/11, is that the "perps" may not even been aware they were being used in the attack.

Some people say the anthrax letters were "too crude" to be the work of the "deep state"...I say, the deep state is always creative and unexpected.

As for what you said, yeah it's possible. I mean one of the reasons
so many of these assassinations/staged terror events/ect always use the same symbolism, numbers, structures, patsy-war game drills-informant
protocols is because it's a time and tested modus operandi, but also a kind of gang sign to the other "homies" in the deep state word.
"Do you know who I am? I am the arm, and I sound like this..."-man from another place, twin peaks fire walk with me
User avatar
8bitagent
 
Posts: 12244
Joined: Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:49 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby 8bitagent » Sat Aug 02, 2008 4:12 am

justdrew wrote:they're pulling out all stops to paint this guy in a bad light, that's for sure. a therapist with a restraining order saying he was making death threats; dragging out his brother who knows nothing about anything and has hated him most of his life from the sounds of it. real class act being put on so far. next we'll hear he beat his dog. anything, anything but _evidence_

of course I don't believe the official story on this; why would anyone believe anything coming out of the bush administration.


Sadly, I wonder if most of the liberals in America will ever wake up.

With stories like the mulling over false flag usage to blame on Iran, Pat Tilman, this latest anthrax coverup bullshit...its shocking to me the
average anti Bush liberal STILL buys the official 9/11 bullshit and "Osama is out to get us and we need to be in Afghanistan" crap.

It's WONDERFUL to FINALLY see comments by even the most anti conspiracy liberal gatekeepers on DailyKos or CrooksandLiars in the comment section say "ok...I have to admit, maybe the conspiracy nuts might not be so nutty afterall"

Let's see that pursed lip gatekeeper Olbermann fucking grow a pair and have a whole special on the BULLSHIT of this Anthrax story.


stickdog99 wrote:Of course, the reason not one shred of this information has come to light for the last seven years is only because the thousands of FBI and DOJ agents taken off the 9/11 "investigation


You know, to this day, millions of otherwise good intentioned liberals and conservatives and every day people really do think that the US government
investigated 9/11....not realizing Ashcroft pulled almost all FBI off the case within weeks and saying "well we know who did it, end of story"

Of course, we now know the hijackers had a large infrastructure of people helping them at every turn in the US...and these people lead to the deep state/globalists/PTB.

We also know, some of the people who helped them were the first victims of the Anthrax Attacks in 2001.
Last edited by 8bitagent on Sat Aug 02, 2008 4:25 am, edited 1 time in total.
"Do you know who I am? I am the arm, and I sound like this..."-man from another place, twin peaks fire walk with me
User avatar
8bitagent
 
Posts: 12244
Joined: Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:49 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby 8bitagent » Sat Aug 02, 2008 4:21 am

Wilbur Whatley wrote:For what it's worth, I've been reading everything I can on this, and I'll bet anything Ivins is completely innocent.

But why would they push this right now?


Same reason theyre "finally putting on a 9/11" trial(against a taxi driver no less) A last ditch ever to wrap up all the unresolved mysteries.

NEXT, we'll hear they found Osama and those WMD's.

Nordic wrote:And let's not forget another part of the pattern -- the Washington D.C. "madame" who supplied hookers to all these people -- also committed suicide, in an equally convenient way.


Yeah, wouldnt surprise me if she got Yeakey-Webbed.

justdrew wrote:
chiggerbit wrote:
...similar to the ACLU that people pay into which then hires Private Investigators...


But, yes, that might be an intersting option. But will we even trust their findings?


well, in the end it would be necessary to set up a rival parallel government with it's own security/intelligence operations. Trust methods based on independent verifications and positive feedback systems. It might be possible to build such an organization based on a principle of zero secrets & complete openness. Sliding scale voluntary taxes. In fact that would be the name, "the Voluntary State of America" - it could be modeled and tested in an online system, like a derivative of Second Life.


Well look how good people in the Russian government came forward with evidence that Putin and the FSB staged the 1999 apartment bombings blamed on Chechnya...sadly, Russian government propaganda won over
"Do you know who I am? I am the arm, and I sound like this..."-man from another place, twin peaks fire walk with me
User avatar
8bitagent
 
Posts: 12244
Joined: Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:49 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby compared2what? » Sat Aug 02, 2008 4:33 am

Well, he was on the record as opposed to assisted suicide, in any event. All of these are worth reading, imo. I'm not claiming it's a true and thorough portrait, obviously. But fwiw, he sounds like a garden-variety crank of a certain type (occasionally found in my family, a member of whom writes letters very like these, though according to a different doctrine). Anyway. From the Frederick News-Post:


Ivins: Archived letters to the editor



    Dr. Bruce Ivins wrote several letters to the editors in recent years. Below is a list of letters he wrote dating back to March 5, 1998.

    — — —

    End of 'dialogue'
    Originally published August 24, 2006 Rabbi Morris Kosman is entirely correct in summarily rejecting the demands of the Frederick Imam for a "dialogue."

    By blood and faith, Jews are God's chosen, and have no need for "dialogue" with any gentile. End of "dialogue."

    — — —

    Study suggests genetic component for homosexuality
    Originally published December 29, 2004

    Readers of The Frederick News-Post were recently informed via letter to the editor ("Gay marriage not supportable," Dec. 26), that "the newest studies indicate that you are not born gay."

    I'm a scientist, as well as a married heterosexual, and I'd be very interested in learning what those "newest studies" are. Hopefully they are based upon scientific study, rather than political, social, cultural or religious ideology. I wonder if the letter writer is familiar with an article in the December 2004, issue of the Journal of Genetics, entitled, "Excess of Counterclockwise Scalp Hair-Whorl Rotation in Homosexual Men." The article (in pdf format) can be found at http://www.ias.ac.in/jgenet/Vol83No3/jg ... -jg639.pdf.

    The author, Amar Klar, (a geneticist who works in Frederick) states in the final sentence of the study summary, "These results suggest that sexual preference may be influenced in a significant proportion of homosexual men by a biological/genetic factor that also controls direction of hair-whorl rotation."

    It's a very interesting paper, regardless what side you take on the debate of how individuals gain their sexual preference.

    — — —

    Conservative Christians now feeling their oats
    Originally published November 21, 2004

    I would like to comment on the letter to the editor, "Wants off Christian Nation Express," of Nov. 12.

    I am certainly pleased that the writer is dedicated to service in the love of God, even though I find her theological focus on agony and suffering rather than the hope, joy and salvation of the resurrection to be puzzling.

    Whether Americans like it or not, the results of the presidential election have propelled charismatic and evangelical Christians into new heights of political power. Many of those individuals would agree that the laws of this nation should be compatible with the Gospel, if not actually based upon it.

    Whether we're on the "Christian Nation Express" or not, we all need to be ready for a wild political ride these next four years through a landscape of issues deemed important by conservative Christians.

    — — —

    All aboard!
    Originally published November 09, 2004

    I read Deborah Carter's column of Nov. 7, "Election blues," and I have three comments for the good woman, and for everybody else, as well.

    First, it's clear that views like hers would put Jesus on that cross again. Second, thy loom and churn best be still, come the Sabbath. Third, you can get on board or get left behind, because that Christian Nation Express is pulling out of the station!

    — — —

    Meachum right, well almost right
    Originally published March 18, 2002

    I don't usually agree with Roy Meachum's opinions, but his "Catholic tragedy" (March 13) was quite on the money — almost.

    The Roman Catholic Church should learn from other equally worthy Christian denominations and eagerly welcome female clergy as well as married clergy.

    — — —

    Argumentum ad hominem
    Originally published March 27, 2001

    At a recent meeting reported on in The News-Post ("Mayor's unity meeting ends in insults," March 21), Tim Schramm was reported to have faulted certain public forums as "... unproductive, because people use them to promote private agendas." Noted local lawyer and activist, Daniel Mahone, responded by loudly and repeatedly calling Mr. Schramm a "jerk." It is unfortunate that Mr. Mahone had to resort to an argumentum ad hominem, rather than present his opposing views in a reasoned and cogent manner. Mr. Schramm must feel pleased that his argument was of sufficient merit to compel Mr. Mahone to attack him rather than what he said.

    — — —

    Switched
    Originally published February 05, 1999

    Well, I've switched from WFMD to WTOP (1500 AM), thank you very much. Capstar booted Mike Gibbons off the "Morning News Express" and disposed of the "Mitchell and Miller" program. The company dealt with other persons and programs at the station in a similar manner..

    In their place they have given us profanity, racial insults and listener abuse. I tuned into WFMD's "John and Ken" program a few weeks ago. One of the hosts unashamedly used "G--d---" on the air, then a few moments later told a caller, "You talk like a black person!".

    Click..

    A few days later I tried WFMD's "Mike Gallagher" program. He referred to some of his listeners as "pinheads."

    Click. Again..

    Capstar owes a special apology to African-American residents of the area, and local businesses should seriously rethink their commitment to sponsoring racial insensitivity, profanity and abuse on WFMD..

    As for me, I find the news, weather and sports format of WTOP to be quite acceptable -- and far more civil.

    — — —

    Moral views not a new trend
    Originally published March 05, 1998

    Among the front-page articles in The News-Post of Feb. 27 was a rather ominous one entitled "Panel OKs funding for assisted suicide."

    The news report dealt with a decision by the Oregon Health Services Commission that assisted suicide should be funded by state taxpayers. Commission chairman Alan Bates excoriated those whose beliefs led them to oppose the commission's decision, and asserted that "religious opponents have no right to impose their moral views on others."

    From that statement it is clear that Dr. Bates' knowledge of medicine is substantially greater than his familiarity with American history.

    Even before America was a nation, there was strong opposition to slavery from the religious group known as the Quakers, or the "Society of Friends." They were steadfast in their belief that slavery was a sin, and this belief led them to be actively involved in the Abolitionist Movement and the "Underground Railroad" in this country.

    We should all be thankful that these religious opponents were quite willing to "impose their moral views on others."

    In more recent times we need look no further than those ministers, rabbis and priests whose beliefs brought them to the forefront in the battle against forced, racial segregation in America. Despite real threats to life and limb, they persisted in their efforts to "impose their moral views on others."

    Today we frequently admonish people who oppose abortion, euthanasia, assisted suicide or capital punishment to keep their religious, moral, and philosophical beliefs to themselves.

    Before dispensing such admonishments in the future, perhaps we should gratefully consider some of our country's most courageous, historical figures who refused to do so.


ON EDIT: Oops. Forgot the link

The Tylenol isn't the main point. However, just for the sake of correctness: No, Tylenol doesn't obscure other toxins, or at least not that I know of. But a standard tox screen only looks for certain stuff, and will therefore only detect what it's looking for, which includes both Tylenol and codeine and might easily miss something more exotic.

On the liver damage thing: Yes, it does do that.

But it's dangerous and harmful to would-be suicides -- especially young adolescents who might not have access to anything else -- to perpetuate the idea that you can take a lot of it, become unconscious and die within a matter of hours. You might end up dying eventually. But unless by sheer chance you happen to have some hypothetical latent medical condition that turns swiftly lethal when you take large amounts of Tylenol, it would probably be from some horrible complications arising from the treatment for the irreparable and severe liver damage you woke up with after your Tylenol OD failed to kill you. Or, obviously, from the irreparable liver damage itself. But most people who attempt suicide aren't hoping to die following a lengthy and incapacitating illness. And, in effect, that's what a Tylenol OD-related death is the most likely to be like.
User avatar
compared2what?
 
Posts: 8383
Joined: Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:31 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

Ohio, again

Postby Fat Lady Singing » Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:21 am

Hi all: There was something about the brother's comments in the interview, as well as the fact that he's in Ohio, that made a couple of my puny little synapses fire. I remembered a story about a guy close to Columbus... well...

Here's the story:
http://www.adl.org/learn/Anthrax/Harris ... d=3&item=5

The Harris Hoax

The Tokyo gas attack and the Oklahoma City bombing were not enough by themselves to increase American anxiety over anthrax to its highest level. That would be accomplished in large part by one man, Larry Wayne Harris.

Harris, who lived in Lancaster, Ohio (a distant suburb of Columbus) (FLS note: Lancaster is about a half-hour away and is known as a "bedroom community"--many people living there work here in Columbus, so "distant suburb" is perhaps a bit misleading, not that it's relevant), was an unambiguous extremist with an unhealthy fixation on biological weapons. An adherent of the racist and anti-Semitic religious sect Christian Identity, which teaches that white people are descended from the Lost Tribes of Israel and that Jews are descended from Satan, Harris was also a member of the neo-Nazi group Aryan Nations. Harris was not simply ideologically extreme; he also had concocted a fantasy world for himself in which he was a former CIA operative who had scientifically proven the existence of God and who had learned from an Iraqi college student of secret Iraqi government plans to devastate the U.S. with anthrax and bubonic plague.

Harris became fixated on this purported biological attack from Iraq; he decided to write a book teaching people how to protect themselves against threats such as anthrax. He also decided to begin conducting experiments on bubonic plague and to this end in May 1995 obtained some samples of (inert) bubonic plague from a Maryland company, which he put in the glove compartment of his car. Suspicious health officials notified federal authorities, however, who rushed to arrest him—only to discover that it was not illegal to possess bubonic plague. Harris was able to plead to a single count of wire fraud (for falsifying information on his original request) and received only probation.

Coming on the heels of the Tokyo gas attack and the Oklahoma City bombing, this rather minor event received disproportionate attention by the media and by the government, too, which could now point to Larry Wayne Harris as an example of the dangers that Americans faced from biological warfare. In 1998, FBI director Louis Freeh told a Senate subcommittee that Harris had been convicted, "interestingly enough," on a fraud charge rather than possession of a weapon of mass destruction, but asserted in the same testimony that "he was going to use that against somebody."

But if the FBI could profit from Harris's newfound notoriety, Harris himself was not particularly unhappy with the results himself. Harris self-published his book on defense against biological warfare, Biological Warfare: A Major Threat to North America, and began promoting it on extremist shortwave radio programs and in extremist publications. He was now regularly billed as a "biological warfare expert," and appeared at right-wing gatherings and survivalist expositions. Harris's suggestions for defending oneself against anthrax consisted of urging that people dose themselves with quantities of antibiotics such as tetracycline in order to build up resistance; a theory that was unorthodox at best and caused various militia and "patriot" figures to speak out against him. Bad publicity, whether in the mainstream press or the "patriot" press, did little to deter Harris from pursuing his interests in biological agents.

These interests led Harris eventually to his second arrest and the media circus that followed it. Harris developed an association with William Job, Leavitt, Jr., a Nevada fire extinguisher manufacturer who had an interest in pseudoscience. They met at an alternative science conference, following which Leavitt hired Harris to help him test a device offered to him by pseudoscience researcher named Ronald Rockwell. This device, the "AZ58 ray tube," allegedly could kill bacteria through frequency vibrations; Leavitt had visions of manufacturing and selling the invention. Harris told Leavitt that he could test the device on anthrax; he even boasted of having "military grade" anthrax that could, he alleged, wipe out a city. Harris did not, however, have any such substance at all—he simply had some anthrax vaccine, which is harmless. (FLS Note: some of the missing anthrax was a vaccine, no? Also, the misspelling of "antrax" is intriguing...)

Rockwell, however, contacted the FBI on February 18, 1998, and informed them that Harris supposedly had anthrax. Rockwell, an ex-con, may have been genuinely concerned, or he may have been trying to retaliate against Harris, thinking that his deal was not likely to be accepted. In any case, by that evening, the FBI had initiated close surveillance of Leavitt and Harris, tracking them by helicopters and closing in with a SWAT team. They soon arrested the pair, charging them with conspiracy to possess and possession of a biological agent.

FBI Special Agent in Charge Bobby Siller told a news conference that there was no indication that the men had any target and that no one in the Las Vegas area was in any danger ("In the few days it took to test the substance…the media entered the throes of sensational ecstasy," one Las Vegas newspaper reporter remembered several years later). However, despite Siller's efforts, the arrest nevertheless turned into a media spectacle. A comment in an FBI affidavit which described Harris talking at an event the previous year about a biological attack on New York City and the consequences it would have became construed somehow as evidence of an actual and credible plot by Harris to attack New York. Tabloids carried headlines such as "SUBWAY PLAGUE TERROR" and "FEDS NAB 2 IN TOXIC TERROR."

While scientists at Ft. Detrick, Maryland, tested the samples seized from Harris, the FBI raided his home, leaving no stone unturned in a search for anthrax. It did not find any; moreover, the Army eventually revealed that the alleged anthrax was in fact harmless vaccine. Because there was no agent and no plot or intention to use an agent, the case fell apart. Leavitt was released, while Harris was extradited to Ohio, where prosecutors were prepared to argue that he had violated the terms of his probation. In the end, all charges were dropped and Harris returned to his Lancaster home.

The intense publicity surrounding Larry Wayne Harris's second arrest moved anthrax anxiety from the halls of Congress and the cubicles of bioterrorism experts to the living rooms and kitchens of all Americans. The discovery that Harris had no actual anthrax did nothing to stem the tide of media and government publicity given to anthrax during the spring and summer of 1998.

Both the specter of Harris as a potential bioterrorist and the immediacy and severity of the federal government's response telegraphed to all Americans the deadliness and seriousness of anthrax.

The Harris spectacle sent another message, too, one that was received only by certain individuals and groups with malicious tendencies. This message was: If you want to cause a panic, do it with anthrax. The main consequence of the second Harris arrest was a wave of malicious anthrax hoaxes that began in 1998.


There was something about what Tom Ivins said in the interview... the paratrooper thing, and if you listen he emphasizes the "him" in "they were investigating him" ... he talks about the FBI asking about his childhood... interesting

I've connected some dots here that I don't really want to spell out, because these folks are, you know, actual people, not fictional characters, but maybe y'all see where I'm going with this.

Note that Ohio is rather a hotbed of various racist/ Christian extremist activity; I find it interesting that the brother draws a HUGE line between himself and his two brothers (from his brother's Letters to the Editor, he is very clearly on the liberal side of "conservative Christianity" -- showing his disgust at racism, for instance).

I hate to be so vague about what I'm thinking, but I know I'm just an armchair detective.
User avatar
Fat Lady Singing
 
Posts: 451
Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:15 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby Fat Lady Singing » Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:30 am

There's something here, I'm convinced. I googled Zack to discover that a lot of hate sites made a big deal about Zack being a "Zionist," and also that there was some sort of harassment of another scientist, and a "Jewish hoax"... I didn't even want to go to these sites to investigate further, so I can't draw any conclusions. The timeline is intriguing to me... going back to the early 90s... Harris' first arrest...

Am I reaching too far, here?
User avatar
Fat Lady Singing
 
Posts: 451
Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:15 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby chiggerbit » Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:23 am

Too many people on those boards, and a couple here at RI, too, want it to be a Jew, and so it will be a Jew, come hell or high water.
chiggerbit
 
Posts: 8594
Joined: Tue May 10, 2005 12:23 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:01 am

.

I'm seriously ready to say, we'll never know about this. They've won, whoever exactly they were. That they wanted to spark the formal coup after 9/11, of that there is little doubt. The targeting of the attacks already tells you their motive and message.

The obsession with Zack seems to be more "Find-the-Jew" bullshit. There are probably 10,000 links to that Hartford Courant story, and about zero of them point out that he was caught - note: caught - in the unauthorized area near the anthrax samples in 1992, nine years before 2001. The anthrax of 2001 would have had to have been processed within the two years before. It's hard to construct a more tenuous link. If Zack were Italian, almost none of those "WhatReallyHappened"-type sites would have picked up on it at all. (And it's completely pointless of me to make these tediously obvious points, since they will affect or impress no one in the Zack-obsessed corner of the web.)

My bet is, Hatfill had something to do with it, or knew who did, but he wasn't it. Ivins, maybe the same.

The unspeakable, the taboo, is to say: team. Or the even more obvious: Political hit team.
User avatar
JackRiddler
 
Posts: 16007
Joined: Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:59 pm
Location: New York City
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby chiggerbit » Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:51 am

The obsession with Zack seems to be more "Find-the-Jew" bullshit. There are probably 10,000 links to that Hartford Courant story, and about zero of them point out that he was caught - note: caught - in the unauthorized area near the anthrax samples in 1992, nine years before 2001.



1992??? I must have missed that little factoid.

My bet is, Hatfill had something to do with it, or knew who did, but he wasn't it. Ivins, maybe the same.


A person does have to wonder what caused the FBI to go after Hatfill.
chiggerbit
 
Posts: 8594
Joined: Tue May 10, 2005 12:23 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:27 pm

That the Zack incident happened in 1992 is in the second paragraph of the widely linked Hartford Courant story!
User avatar
JackRiddler
 
Posts: 16007
Joined: Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:59 pm
Location: New York City
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby cptmarginal » Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:34 pm

Seen the latest?

Anthrax scientist Bruce Ivins stood to benefit from a panic

Anthrax Suspect’s Death Is Dark End for a Family Man

The suspect in deadly mailings, who killed himself this week as the FBI closed in, could have collected patent royalties on an anthrax vaccine.


Bruce E. Ivins arrived last month for a group counseling session at a psychiatric center here in his hometown with a startling announcement: Facing the prospect of murder charges, he had bought a bulletproof vest and a gun as he contemplated killing his co-workers at the nearby Army research laboratory.

“He was going to go out in a blaze of glory, that he was going to take everybody out with him,” said a social worker in a transcript of a hearing at which she sought a restraining order against Dr. Ivins after his threats.

The ranting represented the final stages of psychological decline by Dr. Ivins that ended when he took his life this week, as it became clear that he was a suspect in the 2001 anthrax attacks.


Mwahahaha...
The new way of thinking is precisely delineated by what it is not.
cptmarginal
 
Posts: 2741
Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:32 pm
Location: Gordita Beach
Blog: View Blog (0)

the israeli vaccine criminal

Postby hava1 » Sat Aug 02, 2008 4:13 pm

re posting on the "mystery" of the vaccine professor schaferman from Israeli biological warfare center (nes Ziona), whose investigation suddenly faded. the man sold out the center, and Israeli soldiers as guinea pigs, for shares in a private corporation, while he headed (and still does) the top secret facility.
Despite the press headlines, the matter "died" mysteriously and to the best of my knowledge he is still in his former position (probably sending anthrax threats to politicians and press, to keep him in position).

Not unlikely he would provide the "technical aspects" (israeli couriers) for a "vaccine boosting scare". But I don't know the details on the corporation and who his buddies where except they were from Maryland, and the corp was canadian and then sold to US investors. While looking for Jews as scapegoats is common on this board, I would not rule out an Israeli connection because of false correctness as well.

I can't understand why the israeli guy is not yet hanging from a public tree in the city center of Tel aviv, rather he is still heading the most dangerous military research facility in this country. It turns out, the PhD thesis in this center are submitted confidentially to the Hebrew University, and assessed "in camera". A procedure sui generis that sheds light on the "academic freedom" in Israel.
hava1
 
Posts: 1141
Joined: Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:07 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Aug 02, 2008 4:49 pm

.

Now this is the FBI we're talking about.

Hoover & Tolson.

"Seat of Government"

"There is no mafia in the United States."

Judi Bari.

Emad Salem & Ali Mohammed.

Richard Jewel.

Possible that Hatfield was nothing more than Patsy A, a nice fit thanks to his background with the anthrax-in-the-mail study at SAIC, and as a likely biowar veteran of the Rhodesian "resistance." But it didn't work because he had the right friends. So, soon after Hatfill gets his revenge (in this scenario: rightfully), they succeed in pinning it on Ivins as Patsy B.

The behavior of the witch-burning US media in this case, as though I need to say it, is utterly shameful.

And even as they call Ivins a psycho and a profiteer in the same breath, note that the usual T-word is nowhere stated. Terrorists, those are always dark-skinned. White people, those are serial killers.
User avatar
JackRiddler
 
Posts: 16007
Joined: Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:59 pm
Location: New York City
Blog: View Blog (0)

PreviousNext

Return to General Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 167 guests