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Bruce Ivins was troubled by the dust, dirt and clutter on his officemate's desk, and not just because it looked messy. He suspected the dust was laced with anthrax.
And he was in a position to know. Ivins, a biodefense expert, and his officemate were deeply involved in Operation Noble Eagle — the government's response to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks that killed almost 3,000 Americans and the anthrax attacks that killed five more less than a month later.
It was December 2001. Ivins, an authority on anthrax, was one of the handful of researchers at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) at Fort Detrick, Md., who prepared spores of the deadly bacteria to test anthrax vaccines in animals. He knew enough to grow alarmed when his officemate complained, as she had frequently of late, about sloppy handling of samples coming into the lab that could be tainted with anthrax.
"I swabbed approximately 20 areas of (her) desk, including the telephone computer and desktop," Ivins later reported to Army investigators. Half of the samples, he found, "were suspicious for anthrax," betraying the clumpy brown appearance of anthrax colonies under a microscope.
Rather than reporting contamination to his superiors, Ivins said, he disinfected the desk. "I had no desire to cry wolf," he later told an Army investigator.
September 19
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Fat Lady Singing wrote:There was something about what Tom Ivins said in the interview... the paratrooper thing, and if you listen he emphasizes the "him" in "they were investigating him" ... he talks about the FBI asking about his childhood... interesting
I've connected some dots here that I don't really want to spell out, because these folks are, you know, actual people, not fictional characters, but maybe y'all see where I'm going with this.
Note that Ohio is rather a hotbed of various racist/ Christian extremist activity; I find it interesting that the brother draws a HUGE line between himself and his two brothers (from his brother's Letters to the Editor, he is very clearly on the liberal side of "conservative Christianity" -- showing his disgust at racism, for instance).
I hate to be so vague about what I'm thinking, but I know I'm just an armchair detective.
timetunneler wrote:
Glad to see someone else is looking at geography and some of the other things I've noticed to understand the game being played by these groups.
Fat Lady Singing wrote:There's something here, I'm convinced. I googled Zack to discover that a lot of hate sites made a big deal about Zack being a "Zionist," and also that there was some sort of harassment of another scientist, and a "Jewish hoax"... I didn't even want to go to these sites to investigate further, so I can't draw any conclusions. The timeline is intriguing to me... going back to the early 90s... Harris' first arrest...
Am I reaching too far, here?
8bitagent wrote:timetunneler wrote:
Glad to see someone else is looking at geography and some of the other things I've noticed to understand the game being played by these groups.
Oh most definitely...perhaps I just go off the deepend more...as much as I see certain areas hubs of intel spook incubation for creating sleeper cells(florida, norman oklahoma, san diego), I also see "high weirdness" as a
possibility for these geographic anomalies.
You mention a "turf war"...this implies that it's a competition. However, like pro wrestling, there's always someone at the top writing the scripts.
timetunneler wrote:
Although I get a bit miffed at your Obama posts... I understand your concern and the need to warn people on him not necessarily being what we think he is. But I like your posts better when you are examining the puppet masters. To me these areas are hotspots because there is something in each of them that is being manipulated. I imagine in Oklahoma it is related to the FAA (I believe it is FAA, customs related?) stuff that is centered there, and Elohim city. In Pennsylvania there are some old money elites and JFK assassination operators. Texas has Bush, racial cults and more JFK stuff. San Diego has a certain racial tensions, Cult/Intel group and defense contracting operations. South Florida has Jeb Bush, drugs and intelligence networks. So there are deeper reasons for why these places get "weird" from time to time.
8bitagent wrote:Obama feels like the kind of President that would literally pass by kids playing Xbox and ask if he could join in. He seems like a remarkable, extraordinary human being to lead us to the new chapter of America.
8bitagent wrote:I want to be proven wrong. Oh lordy, I would love to be surprised. *I* want to believe.
timetunneler wrote:Fat Lady Singing wrote:There's something here, I'm convinced. I googled Zack to discover that a lot of hate sites made a big deal about Zack being a "Zionist," and also that there was some sort of harassment of another scientist, and a "Jewish hoax"... I didn't even want to go to these sites to investigate further, so I can't draw any conclusions. The timeline is intriguing to me... going back to the early 90s... Harris' first arrest...
Am I reaching too far, here?
No you're not. Like 9/11, the anthrax story is another part of the Aryan West, Aran, Zionist eternal game of grab ass.
AhabsOtherLeg wrote:IanEye: my take on the anthrax episode was that a certain faction felt left out and were kind of hurt by that.
When a group pulls off a coup, the first thing they want to do after is restore order, their order , as soon as possible.
it always felt like the anthrax episode was one group telling the coup group, "we know who you are, and we want in, now, otherwise chaos might continue for a while. and who really wants that?"
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Ivins was clearly a patsy. Hatfill too. But the best patsies are not innocents. They are usually just involved enough to make it convincing.
cptmarginal wrote:AhabsOtherLeg wrote:IanEye: my take on the anthrax episode was that a certain faction felt left out and were kind of hurt by that.
When a group pulls off a coup, the first thing they want to do after is restore order, their order , as soon as possible.
it always felt like the anthrax episode was one group telling the coup group, "we know who you are, and we want in, now, otherwise chaos might continue for a while. and who really wants that?"
...
Ivins was clearly a patsy. Hatfill too. But the best patsies are not innocents. They are usually just involved enough to make it convincing.
Thanks for posting this, it mirrors exactly what's been going through my head - and thanks for all of the info as well!
So much of the public reporting about Ivins has been devoted to depicting him as a highly unstable psychotic who had been issuing extremely violent threats and who had a violent past. But that depiction has been based almost exclusively on the uncorroborated claims of Jean Carol Duley, a social worker (not a psychiatrist or psychologist) who, as recently as last year, was apparently still in college at Hood's College in Frederick, Maryland. Duley's scrawled handwritten complaint against Ivins, seeking a Protective Order, has served as the basis for much of the reporting regarding Ivins' mental state, yet it is hardly the model of a competent or authoritative professional. Quite the opposite.
Duley herself has a history that, at the very least, raises questions about her credibility.
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