Anthrax suspect dies in apparent suicide

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Postby justdrew » Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:53 pm

good digging chiggerbit...

sounds like Zack and Rippy have fallen off the face of the earth. That's odd.

also - waitaminute, now zack isn't jewish but catholic? We still don't know jack about Zack. Something else about this that makes me a bit suspicious... Zack is getting called a "zionist jew" all over the damn place out there, but there's no evidence of this. That whole anti-Semitic right wing freak faction is completely RUN by the shadow government jackasses who would have pulled this, so it almost looks like cover to get others to stop focusing on him.

What about the women they were having affairs with? Did they end up getting divorced? If so those papers should be public. Perhaps the wives/ex-wives might know where these two jokers are?

If either Zack or Rippy had anything to do with it, they would have had to have kept the strain alive at other facilities for 9 years or so, or else have regained access to the USAMRIID personally or by proxy.

and as for Ivins, how could he have mailed these first letters that came from Florida?:
"The letter, postmarked on September 20 in St. Petersburg, Florida,"

from here:
The Message in the Anthrax BY DON FOSTER
After fingering Joe Klein for Primary Colors and helping snare the alleged Atlanta Olympics bomber, the author, a professor of English at Vassar, was asked to analyze the 2001 anthrax letters. Frustrated with the F.B.I."s anthrax task force, he unseals his investigation of a most intriguing -- and disturbing -- suspect.
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Postby chiggerbit » Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:11 pm

Heh:

DR. PHILLIP ZACK, A JEW, CAPTURED ON TAPE IN ARMY ANTHRAX LAB
Anthrax Cover Up?
By Justin Raimondo

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http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j022202.html
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Postby chiggerbit » Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:39 pm

Another scientist who worked at the lab at the time -- and who admits to having been part of a group in the lab that called itself the "Camel Club," organized as a kind of drinking club that on the side ridiculed the Egyptian-born Assaad -- said he also believes that the anthrax in the recent terror scare came from Fort Detrick's USAMRIID.



Hey, Hugh! The book, The Camel Club.

http://www.davidbaldacci.com/web/content/view/38/37/
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Postby justdrew » Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:41 pm

what is the deal with www.antiwar.com and Justin Raimondo? They're trying to reclaim "conservatism" ? for who's use? it's some kind of conservative libertarian thing?

This site is a good resource for much info on this topic, both old and new:
http://www.anthraxinvestigation.com/page-one.html
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Postby stickdog99 » Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:17 am

chiggerbit wrote:Do I need to say this again? I do not believe that there is enough information made public yet to make a judgement one way or the other about Irvins. You, on the other hand, have made up your mind, mind closed...er, case closed.

Here is what my mind is made up about: the FBI has NO CASE AGAINST IVINS. Do you admit this?

But handwritten is congruent with the narrative of urgency.

Then why the long delay (more than a week) in filing for the restraining order?

Again, I am not speaking about Irvins guilt here, I am simply saying that, based on the information available, it looks to me like Duley made the right choice.

Considering she was a habitual drunk driver whom the FBI was "advising", I'd say she made the right choice as well.
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Postby justdrew » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:32 am

http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/Bioter/messageanthrax.html wrote:It is not my job to indict or to try my own suspect for the anthrax murders. And even if the F.B.I. should find hard evidence linking Hatfill to a crime, he will remain innocent until proved guilty. But all Americans have a right to know more about the system that allowed Steven Hatfill to become one of the nation's leading bioterror experts. Here is a fellow with a fake Ph.D. who posed for The Washington Times as a bioterrorist with a homemade plague disseminator, and who boasted as recently as last year of having served with the apartheid government's notorious Selous Scouts during the Rhodesian anthrax epidemic. I have three different editions of his curriculum vitae, each one a tissue of lies. How did such a rascal come to be instructing the C.I.A., F.B.I., Defense Intelligence Agency, army, navy, Marines, U.S. marshals, and State Department on such matters as the handling of deadly pathogens and of bioterror incidents" How did he happen to acquire, to quote from his résumé, a "working knowledge of the former U.S. and foreign BW [biowarfare] programs, wet and dry BW agents, largescale production of bacterial, rickettsial, and viral BW pathogens and toxins, stabilizers and other additives, former BG simulant production methods, open air testing and vulnerability trials, single and 2 fluid nozzle dissemination, [and] bomblet design?" How did he obtain clearance to operate in top military labs on exotic viral pathogens, such as Ebola, and on Level 3 pathogens such as bubonic plague and anthrax?


I don't know, it seems like the whole damn lab was in on it, probably a sanctioned operation from above. Hatfield's got to be the main guy, and he gets paid off in the end for his troubles of having had to play victim?

Ultimately a jury should decided on the available evidence. They should have charged him and brought him to trial. Let the Jury decide if he's guilty or not. I think they still could charge him, if a prosecutor with data wanted to file charges.
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Postby timetunneler » Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:57 am

justdrew wrote:good digging chiggerbit...

sounds like Zack and Rippy have fallen off the face of the earth. That's odd.

also - waitaminute, now zack isn't jewish but catholic? We still don't know jack about Zack. Something else about this that makes me a bit suspicious... Zack is getting called a "zionist jew" all over the damn place out there, but there's no evidence of this. That whole anti-Semitic right wing freak faction is completely RUN by the shadow government jackasses who would have pulled this, so it almost looks like cover to get others to stop focusing on him.

What about the women they were having affairs with? Did they end up getting divorced? If so those papers should be public. Perhaps the wives/ex-wives might know where these two jokers are?

If either Zack or Rippy had anything to do with it, they would have had to have kept the strain alive at other facilities for 9 years or so, or else have regained access to the USAMRIID personally or by proxy.

and as for Ivins, how could he have mailed these first letters that came from Florida?:
"The letter, postmarked on September 20 in St. Petersburg, Florida,"

from here:
The Message in the Anthrax BY DON FOSTER
After fingering Joe Klein for Primary Colors and helping snare the alleged Atlanta Olympics bomber, the author, a professor of English at Vassar, was asked to analyze the 2001 anthrax letters. Frustrated with the F.B.I."s anthrax task force, he unseals his investigation of a most intriguing -- and disturbing -- suspect.


Anti-semitic slurs and haters of Jews tend to surround topics that are sensitive to the perps. Remote Control planes, Missing Trillions at the Pentagon, Terror Bombings, 9/11 hijackers.

Anywhere you see tons of idiots screaming "What about the Jews? They are the ones... blah, blah, blah".... when you see that shit. Look closely at the topic being discussed because it may all be cover.

Not to say Israel does no evil. But they are being used as scapegoats and patsies by American and NATO conspirators in my opinion.

As some else has mentioned... the thing that they absolutely do not want the public to latch on to is that the network of conspirators is larger than simply one lone nut. That is ALWAYS the thing they are trying to hide.
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Postby timetunneler » Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:09 am

justdrew wrote:I don't know, it seems like the whole damn lab was in on it, probably a sanctioned operation from above. Hatfield's got to be the main guy, and he gets paid off in the end for his troubles of having had to play victim?


1997 ANTHRAX MAILINGS, HATFIELD, APARTHEID SOUTH AFRICA, ANTI-SEMITES, RACISTS, WASHINGTON TIMES, FRAMING ARABS... WHY THEY WANT YOU TO FOCUS ON THE SUICIDED LONE NUT

I chopped this up a bit so it wouldn't be so long... it's from here:

FROM:
Source: Vanity Fair, pp. 180-200, October 2003 (posted 9/15/03)

The Message in the Anthrax
http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/Bioter/messageanthrax.html

Because the New Jersey and Florida letters seemed related and possibly collaborative, I searched for stories of past so-called hoaxes -- and uncovered a trail of seemingly related biothreat incidents, several of which exhibited language and writing strategies similar to those of the New Jersey and Florida documents. The earliest incident occurred in April 1997. Signing himself "The Counter Holocaust Lobbyists of Hillel" -- phraseology borrowed from the Holocaust denier Ernst Zündel -- someone sent a petri dish to the Washington, D.C., headquarters of the Jewish organization B'nai B'rith. The dish, broken in the mail, contained Bacillus cereus, or B.c., an anthrax simulant used for biodefense research. A hazardous materials team was called in. Whole city blocks were evacuated. But the writing was not examined, the document was zerofiled, and no arrest was made. Net cost to taxpayers: $2 million.

It was while looking for information on the B'nai B'rith incident that I found a Washington Times interview with Steven Hatfill, then a virologist with the N.I.H., who was said to have "thought carefully about bioterrorism." The Times paraphrased Dr. Hatfill"s explanation of the "four levels" of possible biological attack:

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Searching further, I learned that the B'nai B'rith episode occurred a few months after mysterious gas incidents at Washington National Airport (now Reagan National) and Baltimore- Washington International Airport. On both occasions, passengers were overcome with noxious fumes not publicly identified by investigators. Ten months later, people again fell ill at Washington National and had to be hospitalized after reporting fumes. In January 1998, after the third airport incident in a year, The Washington Times' magazine, Insight, published a second interview with Hatfill, who said, "These types of incidents could be a form of testing for a possible future terrorist attack -- perhaps next time using anthrax."

This ominous commentary was accompanied by a photograph of Hatfill at home, in his kitchen, wearing garbage bags, gloves, and an army-supply gas mask, illustrating how a bioterrorist might cook up bubonic plague in a private laboratory and cause havoc using a homemade spray disseminator such as the one Hatfill had designed himself. All of which seemed, to me, an unusual hobby for a virologist then employed by the National Institutes of Health.

Then I found another interesting news item. Shortly after Insight published its ghoulish photograph of Hatfill in his home laboratory, a white male, wearing a gas mask, deposited a bottle outside the U.S. Treasury Building. An anonymous call was then placed alerting the U.S. Secret Service that it contained "liquid chemical warfare agent." The bottle, though found, was not preserved -- it was, after all, just a "hoax."

In its interview with Hatfill, Insight reported that he had worked in Zimbabwe in the late 1970s when "an epidemic of anthrax from natural causes affected 10,000 people." In fact, Hatfill had been in apartheid Rhodesia from 1978 to 1980 (the year it was renamed Zimbabwe), and witnessed the worst outbreak of anthrax ever recorded -- in a part of Africa where anthrax was rarely encountered. During the civil war to topple the apartheid government, the southern Tribal Trust Lands were ravaged by an epidemic that caused 10,738 recorded human infections in about two years. Today, black Zimbabweans and their livestock are still becoming ill and dying from the biological fallout.

That the outbreak was "natural" is debatable. In 1992, Dr. Meryl Nass, an American physician, and Jeremy Brickhill, a Zimbabwean journalist, published separate reports supporting what was already suspected: that the Rhodesian anthrax epidemic was deliberate, a biowarfare attack on the black townships, probably carried out by Rhodesia's notorious government-backed Selous Scouts militia.


In January 2002, while compiling documents by and about Hatfill, including his unclassified scientific publications, I found a brief autobiography. In it, Hatfill, though American, boasted of having served in the late 1970s with the Selous Scouts in Rhodesia. In that same brief bio, Dr. Hatfill indicated that he had taken his medical degree from the Godfrey Huggins School of Medicine in Harare, Rhodesia, which he attended from 1978 to '84. Next I searched the Internet for a Greendale School somewhere in Africa and discovered the Courteney Selous School, situated in the wealthy, white Harare suburb of Greendale, a mile from the medical school where Hatfill spent six years obtaining his M.D. while serving, by his own unconfirmed account, with the Selous Scouts.

Steven Hatfill was now looking to me like a suspect, or at least, as the F.B.I. would denote him eight months later, "a person of interest." When I lined up Hatfill's known movements with the postmark locations of reported biothreats, those hoax anthrax attacks appeared to trail him like a vapor cloud. But in February 2002, shortly after I advanced his candidacy to my contact at F.B.I. headquarters, I was told that Mr. Hatfill had a good alibi. A month later, when I pressed the issue, I was told, "Look, Don, maybe you're spending too much time on this." Good people in the Department of Defense, C.I.A., and State Department, not to mention Bill Patrick, had vouched for Hatfill. I decided to give it a rest. But first, I faxed a comparative-handwriting sample to F.B.I. headquarters, with examples of Hatfill's printing on the left and printing by the anthrax offender on the right. I am not a handwriting expert, so I supplied the document without comment. A week later, I got a thank-you call.

In 1999, Hatfill was fired by USAMRIID. He was then hired at Science Applications International Corporation (S.A.I.C.), a contractor for the Department of Defense and the C.I.A., but he departed S.A.I.C. in March 2002, a month after he took a polygraph concerning the anthrax matter that he says he passed. Hatfill at the time was building a mobile germ lab out of an old truck chassis, and after S.A.I.C. fired him he continued work on it using his own money. When the F.B.I. wanted to confiscate the mobile lab to test it for anthrax spores, the army resisted, moving the trailer to Fort Bragg, North Carolina, where it was used to train Special Forces in preparation for the war on Iraq. The classes were taught by Steve Hatfill and Bill Patrick.

In March 2002, as the F.B.I. continued to investigate, Hatfill moved on to a $150,000- a-year job in Louisiana, funded by a grant from the Department of Justice. That same month, from Louisiana, came a fresh batch of hoax anthrax letters. L.S.U.'s Martin Hugh-Jones, a World Health Organization director, examined the powder they contained and found it to be nontoxic. The letters were then put into a zero file without their language being examined by a trained professional.

...

The weeks dragged on. Prodded publicly by Rosenberg and privately by myself, the F.B.I.'s anthrax task force nevertheless seemed stubbornly unwilling to consider the evidence pointing toward a military insider or to examine the Quantico letter or those few "hoax" biothreats that I believed, and still believe, may shed light on the anthrax murders. The additional documents that I had been expecting from the F.B.I. never arrived. S.S.A. Fitzgerald, the F.B.I.'s top in-house text analyst, asked to examine the same set of documents and received the same answer: no. I'm not an insider, nor an old hand. I have worked with the F.B.I. for only six years, on no more than 20 investigations. But never have I encountered such reluctance to examine potentially critical documents.

Meanwhile, friends of Fort Detrick were leaking to the press new pieces of disinformation indicating that the mailed anthrax probably came from Iraq. The leaks included false allegations that the Daschle anthrax included additives distinctive to the Iraqi arms program and that it had been dried using an atomizer spray dryer sold by Denmark to Iraq.

Her patience exhausted, Dr. Rosenberg met with the Senate Judiciary Committee staff on June 18, 2002, and laid out the evidence, such as it was, hers and mine. Van Harp, head of the Amerithrax Task Force, sat in on the briefing. The senators were attentive. So, too, evidently, was Harp: exactly one week after Rosenberg's meeting with the Judiciary Committee staff, the F.B.I. searched Hatfill's residence. A bureau spokesman described it to The Washington Times as a "voluntary search" without a warrant, "requested" by Dr. Hatfill to clear his name.

Suddenly I was being flooded with documents from reporters and concerned scientists: letters, e-mails, curricula vitae, handwriting samples, and original .fiction by Steve Hatfill. I learned from one document that Hatfill had audited a Super Terrorism seminar in Washington, D.C., on April 24, 1997, the day of the B'nai B'rith incident. The next day, in a letter to the seminar's organizer, Edgar Brenner, he wrote that he was "tremendously interested in becoming more involved in this area" and noted that the petri-dish scare, so soon after the seminar, showed that "this topic is vital to the security of the United States." Hatfill's original fiction included a cut-and-paste forgery of a diploma for a Ph.D. from Rhodes University, which he used to obtain his jobs at the N.I.H., USAMRIID, and S.A.I.C.

No less interesting to me, as a professor of English literature, was Hatfill's unpublished novel, Emergence, which I examined in Washington at the U.S. Copyright Office. In the book, an Iraqi virologist launches a bioterror attack on behalf of an unnamed sponsor, using an identity acquired from the Irish Republican Army and a homemade sprayer like the one Steven J. Hatfill demonstrated for The Washington Times. A fictional scientist named Steven J. Roberts comes to the rescue, tracing the outbreak to Iraq. The Strangelovean novel ends with America nuking Baghdad. As the warheads fall, the pilot remarks, "Beautiful . . . just beautiful. Welcome to Fuck City, Ragheads! Let"s get the hell out of Dodge."

I was reminded of Bill Patrick's words in his talk at Maxwell Air Force Base: "The beauty of biological warfare, good people, is that you can pick an agent with a short period of incubation, or a moderate period of incubation, or a long period. And this, I think, would be very attractive to terrorists, because they can do their dirty work and get out of Dodge City, and you won't know that you're infected till they're long gone."

Hatfill's novel, however, has a surprise ending. In a three-page epilogue, the narrator, a Russian mobster, reveals that his own organization, not Iraq, is responsible for the bioterror attack:

"The reaction was as great as we had hoped for the entire focus of the American F.B.I. has now shifted towards combating chemical/ biological terrorism and this is allowing us to formulate the unprecedented expansion of our organization."

Biowarfare fiction was no mere lark for Steven Hatfill. It was his specialty. His responsibilities at USAMRIID included the writing of bioterror scenarios, at least one of which actually happened. Hatfill envisioned someone spreading a pathogen throughout several floors of a public office building. It would take only one reported illness, he predicted, "to shut down the entire building, especially if the bug had been sprayed on several .floors. Then the call comes: "Let our man loose, or we'll do a school." In August 1998, in Wichita, Kansas, 40 miles southeast of Southwestern College, Hatfill's alma mater, powder was spread throughout several floors of the Finney State Office Building. Then came "the call," in the form of a letter from a team of Christian Identity extremists and a group calling itself Brothers for Freedom of Americans.

A few days later, Hatfill and Bill Patrick arrived in San Diego for the Worldwide Conference on Antiterrorism, sponsored by the U.S. Department of Defense. I asked my F.B.I. contact for the Wichita documents. Again, my requests were denied.

The ink was hardly dry on Emergence when the government hired Hatfill, now working for S.A.I.C., to commission a paper from Bill Patrick focusing on how to respond to a biological terror event.

I have read Patrick's 1999 report "Risk Assessment." Though it's a classified document, it contains little that he hasn't said before elsewhere. I did, however, find in it something that surprised me: Patrick describes a hypothetical incident in which an attacker uses the U.S. mail service to deliver a business envelope containing no more than 2.5 grams of aerosolized anthrax, refined to a trillion spores per gram, in particles smaller than five microns. Patrick explains that 2.5 grams is the amount that can be placed into a standard envelope without detection. "More powder makes the envelope bulge and draws attention."

As prophecies go, that one's right on the money. The "DEATH TO AMERICA" letters sent two years later to Senators Daschle and Leahy contained about a gram of aerosolized anthrax, particle size one to three microns, refined to a trillion spores per gram. Bill Patrick plus the Dugway scientists make up Richard Spertzel's short list of four U.S. experts who know how to make such a fine dry powder. The anthrax killer, whoever he may be, represents a fifth expert with Patrick's bench skills. But until the Daschle powder appeared, every quoted expert I had seen except Patrick said it couldn't be done at all.

After rumors broke that Bill Patrick, in a classified paper, had foreseen a bioterror attack using the mail service, a transcript of his paper was leaked to the press. The leaked version represents Patrick's original text for S.A.I.C., typos and all, but with one critical omission: a footnote in which Patrick claims that the U.S. has refined "weaponized" powder to a trillion spores per gram has disappeared.

By midsummer 2002, the F.B.I. and even Attorney General John Ashcroft were obliged to call Steve Hatfill a "person of interest," despite diehard assurances from other government sources that he wasn't. That August, the F.B.I. returned to Hatfill's Maryland apartment. Searching his refrigerator, agents found a canister of Bacillus thuringiensis, or B.t. -- a mostly harmless pesticide widely used on caterpillars -- which USAMRIID adopted for study in 1995, after UNSCOM discovered that B.t. was Iraq's favored anthrax simulant.

On August 25, in a second dramatic press conference, Hatfill, having shaved his mustache of 20 years, protested his persecution. This was the first I had seen of my suspect. He was five feet eleven and 210 pounds, with pale-blue eyes and a downturned mouth. He would not mind being investigated, he said, except that Attorney General Ashcroft "has broken the Ninth Commandment: Thou shalt not bear false witness." With these words, Hatfill's voice cracked and his eyes welled up with tears. His emotional display won over many hearts, even among the usually cynical Washington press corps.

The American press seems to enjoy dumping on the F.B.I. For the first nine months of the investigation, it was said that the F.B.I. was spinning its wheels. Ever since, it's been said that the F.B.I. has ruined a man's life -- that Steve Hatfill is a second Richard Jewell, the long-suffering suspect in the Centennial Olympic Park bombing. In May, one F.B.I. team trailed Hatfill so closely that its S.U.V. ran over his foot. Then the Washington police ticketed him for "walking to create a hazard."

I know something about the Centennial Olympic Park serial bomber, because I helped -- using linguistic evidence gleaned from the Army of God letters -- to direct investigative attention on to Eric Robert Rudolph. And it is my opinion, based on the documents I have examined, that Hatfill is no Richard Jewell. The F.B.I.'s early Centennial Olympic Park bombing suspect was said to fit a behavior profile of domestic bombers, but I found nothing in Jewell's use of language to implicate him as a terrorist. As for Hatfill, it was the F.B.I.'s best team of trained bloodhounds, not an offender profile nor my text analysis, that finally persuaded the Amerithrax Task Force in July 2002 to associate Hatfill with the anthrax letters and put him under 24-hour surveillance. The bureau's description of him as a "person of interest" is neither inaccurate nor unfair. (Through his lawyer, Hatfill maintained his innocence and declined to comment for this article.)

One thing I've learned about the F.B.I. in my years as a civilian consultant is that the bureau is a compartmentalized house of secrets. Each field office and task force guards its information and documents like a treasure trove, and no one office, not even F.B.I. headquarters, has direct access to the whole picture. But the F.B.I. is an open book compared with our biowarfare establishment. The Pentagon has a long history of clandestine experimentation on human guinea pigs that bears looking into. In 1952, for example, the army conducted open-air tests at Fort McClellan, Alabama, with bioweapons simulants that, though bacterial, were supposedly harmless. When local respiratory illness skyrocketed and dozens of civilians died, the army quietly discontinued use of the problem simulant and carried on with another.

Then there's the 1965 simulated attack on the New York City subway. On June 8 of that year, under Bill Patrick's direction, the subway was targeted with the anthrax simulant B.g. Lightbulbs, each containing 87 trillion spores, were dropped onto the tracks. Trains then sucked the clouds of live bacteria into the subway system. C.I.A. and military scientists, bearing fake ID's, were on location to count the spores. More than a million riders were exposed to B.g. that day; many inhaled more than a million spores per minute. Patrick, when telling this story, still chuckles about how "we clobbered the Lexington line with B.g." What he doesn't say is that, during a similar test in San Francisco in 1950, one person died from B.g. complications and many others fell ill. The cause of the fatality was not discovered until 1977, when the U.S. Army, in Senate subcommittee hearings, finally disclosed its mock biological attack on San Francisco. ("We clobbered downtown San Francisco with Bacillus globigii," Bill Patrick told his Maxwell Air Force Base audience in February 1999. "This was very successful.") No one knows how many riders may have become sick from the 1965 New York" subway test. The experiment was kept secret for 20 years. By then, the statute of limitations for lawsuits was long past and contemporary medical records were hard to come by.

It's also a matter of record that in 1965 military scientists gassed Washington National Airport and a Greyhound bus terminal, using B.g. Most Americans would like to think that our government doesn't do that kind of thing anymore. I'd like to report, for example, that our military had nothing to do with those three gas incidents at Baltimore- Washington and Washington National airports in 1997. Though the F.B.I. won't confirm it, I've been told at least one of those three events involved the dissemination not of B.g. but of B.t., the same substance the F.B.I. discovered in Hatfill's refrigerator in August 2002.

It is not my job to indict or to try my own suspect for the anthrax murders. And even if the F.B.I. should find hard evidence linking Hatfill to a crime, he will remain innocent until proved guilty. But all Americans have a right to know more about the system that allowed Steven Hatfill to become one of the nation's leading bioterror experts. Here is a fellow with a fake Ph.D. who posed for The Washington Times as a bioterrorist with a homemade plague disseminator, and who boasted as recently as last year of having served with the apartheid government's notorious Selous Scouts during the Rhodesian anthrax epidemic. I have three different editions of his curriculum vitae, each one a tissue of lies. How did such a rascal come to be instructing the C.I.A., F.B.I., Defense Intelligence Agency, army, navy, Marines, U.S. marshals, and State Department on such matters as the handling of deadly pathogens and of bioterror incidents" How did he happen to acquire, to quote from his résumé, a "working knowledge of the former U.S. and foreign BW [biowarfare] programs, wet and dry BW agents, largescale production of bacterial, rickettsial, and viral BW pathogens and toxins, stabilizers and other additives, former BG simulant production methods, open air testing and vulnerability trials, single and 2 fluid nozzle dissemination, [and] bomblet design?" How did he obtain clearance to operate in top military labs on exotic viral pathogens, such as Ebola, and on Level 3 pathogens such as bubonic plague and anthrax?

In August 2000, Hatfill trained forces at MacDill Air Force Base, in Tampa, using a makeshift bioterror "kitchen" lab that he built himself out of scavenged parts, as well as biosafety cabinets taken from USAMRIID. The borrowed cabinets, suitable for turning germs into weapons, are still missing and are said to have been destroyed. Hatfill, a certified scuba diver, once spoke of how to use a pond in the Frederick Municipal Forest a few miles from his former residence in Maryland" to dispose of toxins. On that information, the F.B.I. searched Whiskey Springs Pond and found a homemade biosafety cabinet. The pond, when later drained, disclosed a rusty bicycle and a street sign but no new evidence.

This summer, The New York Times, The Washington Post, and the Associated Press ran stories on Hatfill's activities as a designer of simulated bioterror labs. None mentioned that Hatfill sprayed his trainees with samples of aerosolized B.g. When questioned about these activities, Hatfill, in apparent contradiction of his 2002 résumé, denied having knowledge of how to refine a dry bacterial powder to the level achieved by army scientists.

The most curious piece of fieldwork noted on Steven Hatfill's most recent C.V. is that of "open air testing and vulnerability trials." In a 2001 paper, "Biological WarfareScenarios," Bill Patrick called the 1965 simulated attack on the New York subway "one of the most important vulnerability studies" of the 70 he conducted. In 1969, when the army's biowarfare program was officially terminated, Steven Hatfill was still in fifth grade. By 1998, Hatfill was Patrick's sidekick in what one colleague has described as a "Batman and Robin" team. But it is from USAMRIID that Hatfill claims to have acquired his working knowledge of army-sponsored "vulnerability" trials.

Several of America's bioweaponeers have said, for the record, that the anthrax attack has an upside. The killings have forced long-awaited F.D.A. approval of the Bioport anthrax vaccine facility and prompted increased federal spending on biodefense -- by $6 billion in 2003 alone. But the anthrax offender also diverted law-enforcement resources when we needed them most and wreaked havoc on the U.S. Postal Service. He has shown the world how to disrupt the American economy with minimal expense, and how to kill with minimal risk of being caught.

Now that it"s been done once, it seems likely to happen again. Bill Patrick -- whose expertise, in the wrong hands, may be deadly -- even though he is not -- has advised our military to be prepared for something far worse: "People say to me, ‘BW"s not effective.' Ladies and gentlemen, I'm here to tell you, you look at atomic energy, you look at chemical method of infection -- nothing, I mean nothing, produces what biological warfare does when you do your planning, and you have the right agent and the right dissemination-and-delivery system. Any questions?"

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Postby stickdog99 » Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:19 am

http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/fbi_prof ... 21937.html

FBI Profiler: Police Should Have Investigated Ivins

Thursday, August 14, 2008 9:38 AM

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When tipped off that accused anthrax murderer Bruce E. Ivins planned to poison people, the Frederick, Md. police should have immediately investigated him, Dr. Roger Depue, a former chief of FBI profiling, tells Newsmax.

Depue, who was a member of the panel that investigated the Virginia Tech massacre, draws parallels between the Ivins case and that of Seung-Hui Cho, who killed 32 people there in April 2007.

“Oftentimes, there are a number of people in the environment who know things, or suspect things, and they just don’t communicate with one another,” Depue says. “In the Cho situation, you see that some of his teachers at Virginia Tech became very concerned about him. Students in the classes that he was in became very concerned about him. But the people in the educational community were not necessarily talking with the police. The police weren’t necessarily talking with the school administration. So a lot of people had information, but they weren’t talking with one another.”

Looking at Ivins, Depue sees a man who described himself as paranoid and likely was a schizophrenic.

“You have this strange behavior in college, apparently it seems like his late 20s, early 30s, with this KKG sorority,” Depue notes. “So he’s having some kind of strange fantasies way back then. There’s a mention there that he broke into the sorority to steal their secret handbook. It appears that he had mental health problems early on and that he had some bizarre fantasies early on.”

Ivins’ description of sitting at a desk and seeing himself sitting there is significant, Depue says. In a poem, Ivins referred to himself as exchanging personalities with another person.

“It's like having two in one,” he wrote. “Actually, it's rather fun!”

“That’s definitely an alteration of his perception and kind of a detachment from himself,” he says. “Clinically, it could be a dissosiative disorder. It could show up in several mental illnesses, but my bet would be schizophrenia.”

Besides being a former FBI profiler, Depue was once a police chief in Clare, Mich., and is also a therapist. Now a profiler with the Academy Group, Depue notes that, according to the Washington Post, Ivins told a counselor that he was obsessed with a young woman and had “mixed poison” that he brought when he went to watch her play a soccer game. The counselor contacted the Frederick police but was told that unless Ivins had provided the full name of his intended victim, there was little that could be done, according to the paper.

Depue says Ivins’ fantasy of killing someone should have triggered alarms.

“In this case, it’s the soccer team, a female soccer player,” Depue says. “He’s going to go to the game, and if the team loses, then he plans on killing this female soccer player. It’s certainly homicidal ideation, there’s no question about that. He’s moved from fantasy to behavior, the extremely dangerous second step. Once a person moves from fantasy to behavior, to acting out the fantasy — the more you think about it, the closer you move to acting on it.”

Depue asks: Why didn’t someone notify his employer, the Army’s Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases, where he had access to deadly substances.

As a police chief, Depue says, “I would have taken steps to investigate it further. And if I knew that he was working in a place where he had access to poisons and he admitted to his therapist that he put a batch of poison together, or mixed something that was poisonous together, then took it out with the intention of killing somebody, it seems to me you’re duty bound to contact the employer and say, ‘Look, this guy is either taking poison from his employment or he represents a risk in his place of employment. He has at least demonstrated homicidal ideation.’”

Both the Ivins and Cho cases highlight the need for “new rules” to allow therapists and the police to better assess information and notify an employer if warranted, Depue says.

Employers, counselors, and police should be on the lookout for warning signs like violent writings or drawings, anger problems, fascination with weapons, boasting of combat proficiency, suicidal or homicidal ideation, stalking, interest in previous killings, and statements made about violence and cruelty.

“If experts see warnings signs, it’s a flag, and assessment teams should be set up to look and see if there’s anything more,” Depue says.
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Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:29 am

Ivins’ description of sitting at a desk and seeing himself sitting there is significant, Depue says. In a poem, Ivins referred to himself as exchanging personalities with another person.

“It's like having two in one,” he wrote. “Actually, it's rather fun!”

“That’s definitely an alteration of his perception and kind of a detachment from himself,” he says. “Clinically, it could be a dissosiative disorder. It could show up in several mental illnesses, but my bet would be schizophrenia.”


That psychiatrist sounds about as qualified as Hatfill.
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Postby JackRiddler » Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:28 am

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"Now I was arguing with myself the other day..." OOPS! I just made myself a suspect. Heh. Sorry.

They have nothing on Ivins, except very normal idiosyncracies you'd find in most people, fit into the presumed pattern after his designation as the perpetrator. All they have is, worked late, was in the lab where the anthrax came from, used the right equipment (for his work).
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Postby Wilbur Whatley » Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:40 am

It seems to have become an unquestioned leftie Article Of Faith that Ivins cannot be guilty. Why even Jeff Himself said so in a recent Post.

That's what I also thought for the first several days after this story broke.

But enough evidence of aggressive, obsessive and even homicidal behavior has come forward that I now think it is extremely irrational to insist on his innocence. We don't have enough court-tested evidence to reach any conclusions at all.

And the assertion that some of this behavior is just quirks and eccentricities--what a bunch of circular crap.
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Postby ShinShinKid » Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:32 pm

I haven't really seen that evidence. What I have seen is a man whose character has been assassinated by one of the most powerful bureaucratic agencies in the world. For Chrissakes, we're talking about an organization that had it out for John Lennon. Don't think for a second that the old guard Federal Bureaucrat such as Hoover are gone. Not in the least, not for a second.
Show me some physical evidence, tying him to the crimes; not circumstanstial character assassination after the man's already dead.
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Postby stickdog99 » Fri Aug 15, 2008 1:12 pm

Wilbur Whatley wrote:It seems to have become an unquestioned leftie Article Of Faith that Ivins cannot be guilty. Why even Jeff Himself said so in a recent Post.

That's what I also thought for the first several days after this story broke.

But enough evidence of aggressive, obsessive and even homicidal behavior has come forward that I now think it is extremely irrational to insist on his innocence. We don't have enough court-tested evidence to reach any conclusions at all.

And the assertion that some of this behavior is just quirks and eccentricities--what a bunch of circular crap.

You can't be serious. Just because Ivins is weird, you think he's a mass murderer? Show us the evidence that he had the means, motive and opportunity to do the anthrax killings. Show us the evidence that he was homicidal.
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Postby nathan28 » Fri Aug 15, 2008 1:23 pm

But enough evidence of aggressive, obsessive and even homicidal behavior has come forward that I now think it is extremely irrational to insist on his innocence. We don't have enough court-tested evidence to reach any conclusions at all.


Correct! I don't know, and neither do you! But someone does. My impression remains, however, that this is a weird story. Even the WSJ questions it. And that in and of itself is even stranger. It's a Cognitive Dissonance Bomb. "Are we lying to you? Are they lying to us about lying to you? What happens when we mix facts with blatant government fiction? Find out on the next segment of 60 Minutes!"

And the assertion that some of this behavior is just quirks and eccentricities--what a bunch of circular crap.


Yeah, but so is the implication that his quirks and eccentricities and lack of social skills and/or midlife crisis involving college girls (...come on, how hard can it be? "Wow, you're a psych major? That must be difficult! What field [leaning in] are you studying? You seem like the type of person that makes me feel like [touching arm] you could do something with that..." etc. etc. [/sidetrack]) is signs of homicidal mental instability.
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