Final WTC7 Report Released

[elfismiles]

[8bitagent]

I've come to the definite conclusion that "Controlled Demolition" like like Faith in a God or religion. No matter what evidence is presented either way, people on either side of the argument will steadfast their beliefs.

I myself am completely disinterested and fatigued on all the "CD" talk, but that's just me....tis akin to arguing what kind of rifles the elites used to do JFK. We KNOW the NWO elite did 9/11. What difference is it how the damn towers came down. Psychic energy, space beams, mechanical failure, planes and jet fuel. Matters not to me.

And then there is artist Paul Laffoley's claims of working on the design of the WTC along with the bin laden company and the questions about where to pre-plant the explosives...

Mr. Laffoley claims alot of things about 9/11

http://www.paranoiamagazine.com/gaudihotel.html

Satan who always has one of his infinite number of ears cocked toward the upper surface of Earth, which he refers to as "the skin of that obscure, obscene, crude, and tasteless planet within which I am forced to reside," is annoyed by the continual importunings of Osama Bin Laden. "That Arab 'trust fund kid' is beginning to occupy a lot of my earth time of late. I don't care about a bunch of buildings. I am after human souls and I already have his. But in the surprise malefactions he engineers, there are often some humans that die with major sins on their souls with no time left to make amends. And a soul is a soul, anyway you can get one."

Accepting the inevitable, Satan assigns a third rate Demon, who has yet to attain official rank and name, to do the task. He calls him "Camel-head," because his face is all pushed in with a drooling tongue sticking out his slack jaw. His eyes have the blank stare of a trapped animal. When he fell from grace he actually forgot to visualize the bottom half of his new physical body and assumed his angel wings were just fine the way they are.

"I think he is just the jamoke to service the curse of Osama the Lion-hearted camel jockey," mused Satan. To "Camel-head": go topside in New York City and look for Twin Towers that resemble the upright posts of a ladder. They are down in Lower Manhattan. You can't miss the structure. Osama is only really interested in the World Trade Center. Besides he can't handle the rest of his request."

At that instant, "Camel-head" is transferred from the center of the earth to Lower Manhattan and it is 11:30 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. Scanning the area he "remembers" his orders: "ladder, New York City, bring it down." This is not what Satan really said, but to one of the Qliphoth demons (whose real name turned out to be in the end: Gamaliel - the obscene; Tzalalimoron - the Clanger; and Bahimoron - the Bestial), this is the only part of the order he could recall.

The World Trade Center was, therefore, ignored in favor of someone climbing a real ladder - namely me. Since "Camel-head" noticed that I resembled the statue of his materialized self, which exists on the parapet of the Tower of Saint John on the Cathedral of Notre Dame, Paris, he became instantly outraged and blindly jealous of the fact that I had a "bottom half" and two good legs.

Of course...

We know the Bin Ladens are in fact connected to the making of the
Rockefeller WTC Twin Towers
http://www.slate.com/?id=2060207

And the elite are into some pretty weird shit

[sunny]

You know what 8bit? The question of CD IS kind of important, because if it could be proven that is SLAM DUNK prima facie evidence of "Inside Job". It really is that simple.

[stickdog99]

3.3 HYPOTHETICAL BLAST SCENARIOS

Considerable effort was expended to compile evidence and to determine whether intentionally set explosives might have caused the collapse of WTC 7 (NIST NCSTAR 1-9, Appendix D). As a minimum, the explosive material would have had to cause sufficient damage to a critical column or truss that it became unable to carry its service load or that a lateral deflection would cause it to buckle. Six combinations of explosive location and column/truss and two implementation scenarios were considered. In the first scenario, there was ample time for optimized preparation of the structure (including possible preliminary cutting of structural members) and use of the minimum mass of explosives. In the second scenario, the explosion was to be effected in the shortest possible time, which was to be no more than a 7 h to 8 h time frame. SHAMRC, a software program that is used for analysis of explosive detonations, shock propagation and structure loads due to blast and fragments, was used to simulate pressure histories from the hypothetical blasts. The pressure histories were then used to determine whether windows would have broken, which would have provided visible evidence of a charge detonation to observers outside the building. SHAMRC has a proven record of accuracy for explosive weights of less than 500 g (1 lb) to more than 4 x 106 kg (4,000 tons). A validated Shard Fly-Out Model (SFOM) was used to predict window breakage. Simulations were performed for differing degrees of partitioning of a tenant floor. Attention focused on a single hypothetical blast scenario explosive location. This involved preliminary cutting of Column 79 and the use of 4 kg (9 lb) of RDX explosives in linear shaped charges. The other scenarios would have required more explosives, or were considered infeasible to carry out without detection. Calculations were also performed for a lesser charge size of 1 kg (2 lb) to evaluate threshold explosive requirements for window fragility.

Figure 3–1 shows the results for the two shaped charges applied to Column 79 on a tenant floor that was highly partitioned, such as Floor 12. Nearly all the windows on the northeast section of the blast floor would have been broken, even by the smaller charge. Simulations for open landscaped floors led to more extensive window breakage.

The actual window breakage pattern on the visible floors on September 11, 2001 (NIST NCSTAR 1-9, Chapter 5) was not at all like that expected from a blast that was even 20 percent of that needed to damage a critical column in WTC 7. The visual evidence did not show showing such a breakage pattern on any floor of WTC 7 as late as about 4:00 p.m. or above the 25th floor at the time of the building collapse initiation. Views of the northeast corner at the time of the collapse were obstructed by other buildings. The window breakage would have allowed the sound of a blast to propagate outward from the building. NLAWS, a validated acoustic wave propagation software program, was used to predict the propagation of the sound of the hypothetical blasts. The calculations showed that all the hypothetical blast scenarios and charge sizes would have broadcast significant sound levels from all of the building faces. For instance, if propagation were unobstructed by other buildings, the sound level emanating from the WTC 7 perimeter openings would have been approximately 130 dB to 140 dB at a distance of 1 km (0.6 mile) from WTC 7. This sound level is consistent with standing next to a jet plane engine and more than 10 times louder than being in front of the speakers at a rock concert. The sound from such a blast in an urban setting would have been reflected and channeled down streets with minimum attenuation. The hard building exteriors would have acted as nearly perfect reflectors, with little to no absorption. The sound would have been attenuated behind buildings, but this would also have generated multiple echoes. These echoes could have extended the time period over which the sound could have been detected and could possibly have had an additive effect if multiple in-phase reflections met. However, the soundtracks from videos being recorded at the time of the collapse did not contain any sound as intense as would have accompanied such a blast (NIST NCSTAR 1-9, Chapter 5). Therefore, the Investigation Team concluded that there was no demolition-type blast that would have been intense enough to lead to the collapse of WTC 7 on September 11, 2001.

So it couldn't have been brought down because that would have been too loud (but we all know it fell silently) and would have blown out more windows (and fuzzy video of one side of the smoky building proves this didn't happen)? Because fire is the only known way to weaken metal without a huge boom?

[mentalgongfu2]

anothershamus said:

I heard a theory a long time ago about certain buildings being pre-set with demolition explosives so it would be possible to demo them when the time came. Does anyone know if this has this ever been done?

I heard this expressed n a show on the History or Discovery Channel or some such years ago. My memory is hazy, but as I recall it was being constructed in the Middle East - United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, or something like that - and it was compared to the WTC twin towers, but I don't recall if that was because of its design and height or because it was to be a financial center. Regardless, I took note of the comparison to the twin towers and mention of preparation for future controlled demolition. I tried to find some more information on the story back when my memory of it was clearer but had no luck.

[Searcher08]

(Like, you can't just put explosives next to the one magic column the failure of which collapses the whole building. Only a fire could cause that!)

Hysterical! Thank you.

Instead of the Magic Bullet,

we have NIST's Magic Melting Column

[DrVolin]

from: http://www.wouldyoubelieve.com/season2.html

Smart Fit the Battle of Jericho
Airdate: Saturday, February 18, 1967, 8:30 PM
Writer: Arne Sultan
Director: Bruce Bilson

Buildings built by Joshua Construction somehow keep blowing up. Max follows Joshua to Las Vegas, where the gorgeous Charlie Watkins (played by Angelique) saves his life. 86 then returns to Washington and goes undercover as a construction worker to figure out KAOS' scheme. He discovers that they are putting nitroglycerin inside the bricks, and then detonating them when the building is completed and filled with people.

Battle of Jericho. Joshua construction. Follows Joshua to the stars. Some people have an elaborate sense of humour.

[8bitagent]

You know what 8bit? The question of CD IS kind of important, because if it could be proven that is SLAM DUNK prima facie evidence of "Inside Job". It really is that simple.

Uh huh.

So who planted the super duper thermate Acme dynamite explosives?

Larry Silverstein with help from Marvin Bush, overseen by Cheney and Mossad?

I can see where Jeff is coming from with his views on this whole "CD" thing.

Heh..."inside job", what the hell does that even mean anymore?

[ninakat]

Jack Riddler, you nailed it man.

[sunny]

You know what 8bit? The question of CD IS kind of important, because if it could be proven that is SLAM DUNK prima facie evidence of "Inside Job". It really is that simple.

Uh huh.

So who planted the super duper thermate Acme dynamite explosives?

Larry Silverstein with help from Marvin Bush, overseen by Cheney and Mossad?

I can see where Jeff is coming from with his views on this whole "CD" thing.

Heh..."inside job", what the hell does that even mean anymore?

8bit, I think you've gotten so lost in the thousands of tributaries trailing off this event that you may have lost sight of some basic truths. An 'inside job' means the guilty parties consist of people in this country who are in charge of NOT killing innocent civilians. You know, members of the ruling administration. If they had help from civilians who benefitted personally in one way or another, that would simply follow the usual m.o. of government criminality.

[8bitagent]

You know what 8bit? The question of CD IS kind of important, because if it could be proven that is SLAM DUNK prima facie evidence of "Inside Job". It really is that simple.

Uh huh.

So who planted the super duper thermate Acme dynamite explosives?

Larry Silverstein with help from Marvin Bush, overseen by Cheney and Mossad?

I can see where Jeff is coming from with his views on this whole "CD" thing.

Heh..."inside job", what the hell does that even mean anymore?

8bit, I think you've gotten so lost in the thousands of tributaries trailing off this event that you may have lost sight of some basic truths. An 'inside job' means the guilty parties consist of people in this country who are in charge of NOT killing innocent civilians. You know, members of the ruling administration. If they had help from civilians who benefitted personally in one way or another, that would simply follow the usual m.o. of government criminality.

The news media a week after 9/11 was speculating that 9/11 might have been an inside job, saying the hijackers had help inside the airports.

Given, in my view al Qaeda is a controlled proxy tool of the global elites, 9/11 is an "inside job" no matter what. Making one tentacle strike the other is a setup, as if I was able to get two kids to fight eachother.

Bush, bin Laden, all puppets in my view. I don't see much evidence that "the government" orchestrated, brainchilded and carried out 9/11 in the way Alex Jones or Loose Change posits.

[compared2what?]

You know what 8bit? The question of CD IS kind of important, because if it could be proven that is SLAM DUNK prima facie evidence of "Inside Job". It really is that simple.

That's why it cuts both ways though. Because who can come up with a scenario that changes that "if it could" to "when it is" that has any functional utility -- or even clearly defined goal -- beyond a wider propagation of the information and evidence constituting the proof?

Because that's been the stated goal for years now. For example, IIRC, it's stated pretty much precisely in those terms at the end of the several hundred slide power-point Hugh linked to as proof not too long ago. Hugh? It was Architects and Engineers for Truth, or something to that effect.

And years are a long time not to have developed a strategy that included the contingencies from which change and accountability would result.

So the question wasn't a rhetorical one: Assuming that anything that's possible in reality is on the table -- ie, barring only "then a miracle occurs" -- can anyone spin a hypothetical scenario that describes by what process any proof with functional value greater than what's available now might be obtained, and by what process it could then be used to bring about the desired result, which is....[YOUR CHOICE HERE]?

Or, alternatively, a scenario by which the currently available evidence can be used for a larger or more clearly defined goal than wider propagation?

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

The NIST's lies remain utterly refuted by professionals who are not government shills, Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.
http://www.ae911truth.org/

http://www.ae911truth.org/actionalerts/

AE911Truth Press Conference
Thursday 8/21/08 9am PDT / 12pm EDT
Critical Response to NIST Final Report
on the Mysterious Collapse of WTC Building 7

Join the 430 Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth for an important live (audio) Press Conference. The subject is the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 which was a 47-story, steel-framed, fire-proofed high-rise — the 3rd tower to fall straight down symmetrically at nearly free-fall speed on 9/11/01 with numerous reports of explosions and several tons of molten metal found in the basement carrying the "thermite fingerprint".

The AE911Truth tele-conference will follow immediately after the NIST (National Institute for Standards & Technology) slide presentation and Q&A of their WTC 7 Final Report which will be Webcast beginning at 8am PDT / 11am EDT. See the NIST webcast announcement & details here.

In our AE911Truth response we will be documenting major flaws in the NIST report as well as the most serious omissions such as the collapse features of WTC 7 and the scientific forensic evidence of its explosive controlled demolition.

Listeners:
The Tele-Conference Dial-in # for listeners is (712) 432-1001
and the access code is: 442-618-649#
Call in at 12pm EDT
(Note that you will not be able to speak during the call)

(Panelists — you have been given a different access code)

You may also listen live to both press conferences at NoLiesRadio.com and possibly at WBAI Radio — NY.

SHAMRC, a software program that is used for analysis of explosive detonations, shock propagation and structure loads due to blast and fragments, was used to simulate pressure histories from the hypothetical blasts.

SHAMRC? Sounds like...Very heavy on the "sham."
Magically....


Ah. Have to rent the movie 'Cloverfield' again.

[compared2what?]

Thanks!

I read that presentation front to back last time you posted it. It doesn't claim that controlled demolition has been irrefutably proven, and it makes no suggestion for action other than passing the word on.

Unless they've added another several-hundred page power-point presentation in the last eight or so weeks.

[jingofever]

Appendix D of the second volume of their report goes into more depth on the "hypothetical blast scenarios."

And look, I've backed myself into the corner again.