Women of the world, take over

[Jeff]

Jeff, if you post another thing anywhere on this board before addressing the violation, realize I quit. It's not coercion. It's a condition I'm setting. All I've got is my membership here to bargain with. But realize, I'm not joking or even slightly exaggerating.

Sorry 4B, I haven't addressed it because I haven't yet understood your complaint.

[FourthBase]

Real quick, off topic: Brand was surely (?) referring -- not in so many words -- to whatever he thinks the Franklin situation entailed. Sex with a boy? Republican convention? Eye-balling? Post that you get the reference. There, in that thread.

[Jeff]

I'll answer you here: certainly not. The boy Brand mentions is a boy, 18-year old Levi Johnston, and Brand's joke is that Johnston won't have sex again because he'll have come to associate intercourse with being on display before the Republican convention. That's it, IMO. I don't see Brand blowing the lid off the Franklin cover-up.

[FourthBase]

I'll answer you here: certainly not. The boy Brand mentions is a boy, 18-year old Levi Johnston, and Brand's joke is that Johnston won't have sex again because he'll have come to associate intercourse with being on display before the Republican convention. That's it, IMO. I don't see Brand blowing the lid off the Franklin cover-up.

That's just the surface of the joke. And you see no evidence to suggest that Brand loads his jokes with meaning underneath the bare surface? You don't see any particular desperation in his impression of the boy's horror? Or the subtle directness with which he has the boy connect sex with the old old men? If you don't, then maybe it's not there. And if that insidious rumor was true after all and you've been hijacked by the forces aligned against rigorous intuition, then I guess it doesn't matter after all...I'm still posting here, and will continue to do so. Right? And...blowing the lid off? How about just meekly standing on the outside of the patio door, mouthing to the kids inside, "Hey, when you get the chance, look at what's under that lid, will you?" Shit, maybe he didn't even get the reference himself, or intend it.

[compared2what?]

Fourthbase --

Please pay attention. It's not very complicated. I care whose fantasy dictates my identity. I care whose personal vision of utopia tells me whether what I want, what I feel, what I think, and what I do is "right." And I'm really not in the minority in caring. Most people do care about those things. Very much. It's been my experience -- both on this forum and in the world; for the whole of my lifetime and almost without exception -- that I am perfectly free to say what I want, what I feel, and what I think about issues related to female sexuality, gender and feminism, and to do so at no greater cost to myself than being shouted down, cursed at, and generally condescendingly dismissed as someone whose opinion on the subject of women is existentially invalidated by my failure to perceive what and who I really am. By some guy who knows better than I do what's "right" for women. Indeed, so very much better that it doesn't strike him as at all inherently contradictory for him to tell me to shut my fucking mouth and get my thoughts in line with his so that I can be free. At which point, presumably my voice will be audible, my thoughts valid, and my desires unconstrained by whatever hang-ups I might have acquired back when it was still so commonplace for my expresssion of them to be subject to highly emotionally charged and public disapprobation by others that it was viewed as not only the natural but the "right" response.

I got more. But I'm not really sure I want to take the time to say all of it, since I also don't enjoy speaking to the deaf. So I'm going to hit pause for now. I'll be back at least briefly in a while.

[FourthBase]

Fourthbase --

Please pay attention. It's not very complicated. I care whose fantasy dictates my identity. I care whose personal vision of utopia tells me whether what I want, what I feel, what I think, and what I do is "right." And I'm really not in the minority in caring. Most people do care about those things. Very much. It's been my experience -- both on this forum and in the world; for the whole of my lifetime and almost without exception -- that I am perfectly free to say what I want, what I feel, and what I think about issues related to female sexuality, gender and feminism, and to do so at no greater cost to myself than being shouted down, cursed at, and generally condescendingly dismissed as someone whose opinion on the subject of women is existentially invalidated by my failure to perceive what and who I really am. By some guy who knows better than I do what's "right" for women. Indeed, so very much better that it doesn't strike him as at all inherently contradictory for him to tell me to shut my fucking mouth and get my thoughts in line with his so that I can be free. At which point, presumably my voice will be audible, my thoughts valid, and my desires unconstrained by whatever hang-ups I might have acquired back when it was still so commonplace for my expresssion of them to be subject to highly emotionally charged and public disapprobation by others that it was viewed as not only the natural but the "right" response.

I got more. But I'm not really sure I want to take the time to say all of it, since I also don't enjoy speaking to the deaf. So I'm going to hit pause for now. I'll be back at least briefly in a while.

I never ever told you to shut up. And I never ever will. Not "right for women", right in assessing the situation. Am I? You really think, after reading me, as a lawyer, that I would ever say or want the sentiment "Get your thoughts in line with mine"? I'm always only trying to help people think. For themselves. That's it.

And it's not just your situation. Sister.

[compared2what?]

Well, that didn't take long. My consideration, I mean. All it took was re-reading your prior post. I do understand you. You're not very difficult to understand. Plus, your responses are getting more misogynist, not less, and I decided a while ago never to stay past that point again, because -- believe it or not -- it's painful to feel that. Very painful. And although some part of that is personal pain, it is not in fact just on my own behalf that I feel it. My phrasing is as first-person as it is because I have too much respect for other people to speak for them, as well as enough respect for myself to speak for myself, but that doesn't mean I only consider myself. I kind of thought that would go without saying, given that I'm not a two-year-old.

Anyway. Just a few things. First of all, I want to make it clear that when I said that personally, I had no problem with pornography, I did mean "personally." On any scale larger or more consequential than that, I basically agree with erosuplier about what both pornography and prostitution really are. And I do have serious problems with that, as I think I've more or less said elsewhere.

Second of all, I'm no sister of yours. Please don't address me that way again.

Peace out.

c2w

[OP ED]

I suppose I ought to spell it out in the posting guidelines, but I don't want links to hardcore porn here, whatever the point.

Well, except if it's hardcore death porn. Right?
And maybe hardcore fear porn is okay, too. Right?

Whatever, if I'd known sex porn was verboten, I wouldn't have posted it. Mind you, it was one freaking link, to one clip, to prove one point. Oh wait, more than one point? I still don't get that question.

that is because you are bad with double entendrees.



Here is a picture of a rabbit I hit with my car last week.

Everytime you whine because no one lets you post hardcore porn here, I will post a picture of an animal I've killed.

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oh, and c2w, I would like to formally thank you for mentioning me in the middle of this. It is good to know that one is remembered, even if it is usually for the difficulties one intentionally creates. I'm still not interested in creating critiques of gaze theory, as I am certain it'd be misunderstood by someone in one direction or another, either as apologetics for positions I do not hold or as evident of my having an inequal grasp of the subject matter (which is a given on some accounts, given the subject matter). Neither is a viewpoint I'd encourage, all snarkiness aside.

As such I will instead continue to merely observe and occassionally poke FB, as it amuses me to do so. (the funny thing, IMO, is that that particular thread climaxed in perhaps the most congenial conversing betwixt the base and myself -- i strongly suspect it was the Dolphin's doing)

I strongly doubt I'd find submission to a Matriarchy much better. At least after the novelty wore off, that is.

I have no issue with pornography, I merely consider it inferior in creative techniques and production values and therefore unworthy of my attention. My attitude towards related sex industries, such as prostitution, is much the same. If the physical/structural/fiscal stability/security of humans was a given to the point wherein all capitalist structures were entirely matters of personal choice, I'd have even less issue with these activities, and perhaps more interest in them.

I am in favor, in general, of unconventional sexual structures. Although humans are not generally designed to engage in Bonobo like behavior. Nor are we, contrary to what we'd like to think, designed for pure monogyny. Rather we're designed for limited monogyny with periodic bouts of exomonogynous behavior. (that is, humans are evolutionarily adapted to cheat on their whatevers) I consider it as a more sound tactic to keep relationships open, when possible / if neccessary, than to endanger them with extracurricular activities.

for the record, I've never cheated without permission. (we have a list) [admittedly, there is a strong statistical chance that I am lying.] I have, however wished later that I had.

Love is the Law,
SHCR

[FourthBase]

C2W, we're brother and sister regardless of whether either of us wants to be.

Figure it out. For yourself.

Now I know why Jesus wept, and why Socrates laughed. I still think they were dumb for letting themselves be killed, and I will always take the Nietzsche path: Trying to make oneself understood so much it burns you out.

[Stephen Morgan]

If female supremacy (even just a little bit) is sexist, so be it.

I wouldn't think there would be any if about it.

That's just the surface of the joke.

You're starting to sound like Hugh.

And Nietzsche was burned out by syphilis.

[FourthBase]

If female supremacy (even just a little bit) is sexist, so be it.

I wouldn't think there would be any if about it.

That's just the surface of the joke.

You're starting to sound like Hugh.

And Nietzsche was burned out by syphilis.

If so, I don't care.

[barracuda]

WARNING:THIS POST CONTAINS CUSS-WORDS! Read at your own risk.

Jeff, if you post another thing anywhere on this board before addressing the violation, realize I quit. It's not coercion. It's a condition I'm setting. All I've got is my membership here to bargain with.

Jesus, what a little bitch you are, FG. That must be where you get your "deep" insights into the female condition. Actually, I apologize. My statement is insulting to real bitches.

But realize, I'm not joking or even slightly exaggerating.

Umm, 50% of what you've written in the last three pages of this thread has been a joke, inadvertently, including that statement, which gave me quite a laugh. The other 50% was about half and half boorish and boring.

Post that you get the reference. There, in that thread.

Wow, giving orders. Who died and made you the little bossy pants round here? Your analysis and misunderstanding of Brand's weak-ass monologue is fucking moronic.

And if that insidious rumor was true after all and you've been hijacked by the forces aligned against rigorous intuition, then I guess it doesn't matter after all...I'm still posting here, and will continue to do so.

Too bad. 'Cause it sounds to me like you just called Jeff disinfo, and that poorly conceived notion is characteristic of your general demeanor in this thread and others. Here and now I'm starting a rumor that your head is stuck so far up your ass that you can whistle "dixie" through your navel. Allow me to post some pornography which illustrates my point.



It's a classic, isn't it? Never gets tired. I'm starting to see the advantages of acting like a ten-year old. I would remind you gentle readers, that this is a person who inferred that Hugh was mentally ill, that we should pay the Palestinians 100,000 dollars each to move to Mexico, and that Russell Brand referenced the Franklin cover-up during his VMA monologue. FG, you are waaay off your meds. Get a grip. Which of course leads to...

And it takes me about an hour to find even a handful of porn clips I find erotic,

Geez, that is simply fascinating, Nimrod. An hour how many times a day? 'Cause I know you're valuable time is in short supply. Good thing it only takes a moment to travel the two-inch distance from base to tip; that makes the rest of the little adventure the very soul of brevity. I see that this is again an instance of small-penis syndrome. FG, don't let the small nature of your apparatus interfere with your understanding of the female point of view - it's really not your fault, or theirs. Though I understand why it might take an hour to find a picture of someone who looks just like yourself receiving double-penetration from two fat guys named Larry. It must be empowering for you.

You know, at some point, people just have to stop being sensitive to getting their feelings hurt and or wanting to be totally 100% autonomous and just focus on getting shit figured out, whoever's doing the figuring out, no matter why, however imperfect the figuring out is always going to be. Who the fuck cares who is doing the assessing, all that matters is whether the assessing is right.

Cool! 'Cause I'm assessing you as a low-grade idiot, though there is a slight margin for error in my assessment. But only slight. Like very slight. Like I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. But don't, please. don't, be sensitive. 'Cause I'm really trying to understand where you are coming from and what you are trying to say. And I really think it's important that you know what a complete assinine schmo you sound like when you say shit like:

Then, with all due respect, you probably need some metaphorical deep dicking.

Your understanding of the needs of women are quite clear in this statement, which has to rank as among the top five of the stupidist things you have ever written. Out of a list of roughly 4000 on this forum alone. This apparently is your idea of contributing to the empowerment of women. FAIL MISERABLY AS USUAL. If you had ever, in the ten years you've mentally been alive, respected or loved a woman, why in the world would you write this garbage, and to compared2what? of all people.

I'm always only trying to help people think.

Have you ever seriously considered throwing away your computer? Now is the time. I can't believe I woke up this morning and read this third-rate misogeny on my favorite website. Are ther any other R.I. readers in the greater Boston area? If so, could you seek out this pissant fourth grader and just slap the fucking taste out of his pretty little mouth?

Thank you.

[FourthBase]

Good thing it only takes a moment to travel the two-inch distance from base to tip; that makes the rest of the little adventure the very soul of brevity. I see that this is again an instance of small-penis syndrome.

For the record: Six and a half, although I wish it were a little thicker.

Are ther any other R.I. readers in the greater Boston area? If so, could you seek out this pissant fourth grader and just slap the fucking taste out of his pretty little mouth?

For the record: That is a direct encouragement of violence.

No. Thank you.

[barracuda]

For the record: That is a direct encouragement of violence.

For the record: you're a sissy little tattle tale.

For the record: Six and a half

Ummm, you don't measure starting at your asshole, asshole.

[FourthBase]

Yep, turns out I'm a dick and a pussy.