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Postby Col Quisp » Sun Sep 18, 2005 4:44 pm

Looks like the feds' preparation for the almost certain H5N1 pandemic is about on par with FEMA's preparation for hurricanes.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Faced with worldwide demand, the Roche company, which produces Tamiflu, has organized a first-come, first-served waiting list. The United States is nowhere near the top.<br><br>"The way we are approaching the discussions with governments is that we are operating on a first-come, first-serve basis," says Dr. David Reddy, head of the pandemic task force at Roche.<br><br>"Do we wish we had ordered it sooner and more of it? I suspect one could say yes," admits Leavitt. "Are we moving rapidly to assure that we have it? The answer is also yes."<br><br>When asked why the United States did not place its orders for Tamiflu sooner, Leavitt replied, "I can't answer that. I don't know the answer to that."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Indeed. (Leavitt is the Secretary of Health and Human Services, in charge of preparation for the pandemic.)<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/Investigation/story?id=1130392&page=1">abcnews.go.com/Primetime/Investigation/story?id=1130392&page=1</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Got Tamiflu?

Postby DrDebugDU » Sun Sep 18, 2005 4:56 pm

<!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Chuckman-Bush-State-of-U.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>On the brightside: Most flu epidemics don't get out of control that quickly. The reason why the Great or Spanish Flu Epidemic got out of control was because it was censored by the war press and therefore left untreated.<br><br>There is one lesson though:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>While it usually only infected less than one-third of the population in most places and killed only a fraction of those infected, there were a number of towns in several countries where the entire population was wiped out.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Flu_Epidemic#Social_Facts">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Flu_Epidemic#Social_Facts</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>So if there is an epidemic then stay away from crowds. Especially where a lot of people gather, like shopping malls, crowded public gatherings etc. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Got Tamiflu?

Postby Nymarya » Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:10 pm

Forget stocking up on Tamiflu. The word out of Korea was that kim chee cures it.<br><br>This is not a joke.<br><br>For those who don't know kim chee is cabbage fermented in garlic and hot red peppers.<br><br>It'll just about kill anyone who isn't a demento garlic hot food freak (luckily I am), let alone a piddly little chicken flu bug.<br><br>STOCK UP NOW! If you have any Korean friends ask them for their recipe, the homemade stuff is dynamite. If not, it comes in jars. Warning: when you open the jar it will come surging out at you. This doesn't mean it's an alien, or contaminated with botulinum toxin...it's the fermentation. Still a bit scary the first time you see it.<br><br>Also stockpile herbs that clear the lungs, especially yerba mate tea, and Vitamin C, and if you have asthma, as many inhalers as you can get from your doc/insurance. And bottled water. And if you need oxygen, extra tanks thereof.<br><br>ERs are going to be flooded and OTC meds are not going to work, or will antibiotics for a virus though they WILL for bacterial pneumonia. If you want to survive you will have to do everything you can to keep those lungs functioning! Not to mention your general overall health. The medical/Big Pharma establishment not only is not there to help you, it's collaborating in killing you (hopefully after fleecing you for overpriced meds that don't work.).<br><br>Truthfully I think the whole bird flu thing is bull and the attack will be from mycoplasma and/or chlamydia pneumonia, the latter being what I think the real "SARS" was, but I can't prove it. Chlamydia pneumonia on first exposure is often asymptomatic or only mild, on second it can blow up someone's lungs as was described in SARS. Old people, kids and the debilitated can't throw it off. I think the 'bronchitis' so many people have been getting for the last half a decade has been because we've been deliberately infected with mycoplasma and chlamydia pneumonia.<br><br>Treatment should be timely antibiotic therapy (take the full course). The following are effective: erythromycin, azithromycin, clarithromycin, fluoroquinolones and their derivatives (e.g., levofloxacin), and tetracyclines (e.g., doxycycline). Some of these are very inexpensive compared to the 6 buck a pill job my doc tried to give me last time I had a cough. <p>=======<br>Oh, I enjoy an egg myself, yes. They don't make good pets, though; you can never get them in at night. <br> ~Doctor Pratt (played by Peter Sellers), "The Wrong Box"</p><i></i>
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Re: Got Tamiflu?

Postby Col Quisp » Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:00 pm

Thanks, Nymarya, for the info on kimchee and other remedies. I am curious as to why you think avian influenza pandemic is bull. The number of dead humans is low right now, and there is question as to its ability to spread among humans. The question is, are the numbers accurate? And can it spread human to human? Dr. Niman thinks it is doing so already (although not reported), and that the numbers of cases in Asia are vastly underreported. For example, the recent cases in Indonesia were in a familial cluster, indicating efficient transmission between humans. Once there is sustained human transmission, we will be at stage 6 of a pandemic, and then it's Katy, bar the door!*<br><br>There were no fancy aeroplanes during the 1918 pandemic. Experts predict that due to ease of international travel today, when the avian flu hits stage 6 in Asia it could spread to the US and Europe within a week.<br><br>Here's Dr. Henry Niman's reaction to the Primetime show:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The above comments from ABC News Primetime appear to have caused a rush on Google searches, which will likely translate into a run on Tamiflu tomorrow. The public appears to be shocked that the US stockpile is so low.<br><br>However, the above comments that 20 million doses are enough for 20 million people is a bit misleading. Although one course is for treating one person for five days, animal studies have suggested that five days is not long enough and the FDA approved dose may not be sufficiently high. These numbers collapse for prophylatic use because the Tamiflu only works while it is being taken, so protection for 60 days would require 6 courses per person at the FDA recommended dose, which may also be too low since the mice died even though they were give [sic] Tamiflu prior to infection.<br><br>It seems that the public is due to receive several rude awakenings when they realize that Tamiflu is sold out and its effectiveness has not been convincingly demonstrated.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.recombinomics.com/News/09160501/Tamiflu_Primetime.html">recombinomics</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Dr. Niman may be a bit of an alarmist, but he's got some good information on the track of this virus.<br><br>*<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Katy, bar the door</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> is an odd expression. I googled it and found the origin is in a medieval Scottish song, although Katy is not mentioned. In the song, a woman asks her husband to bar the door because the wind is interfering with her cooking. He refuses, the lazy sod! They agree that the first person who speaks has to get up and do it. Neither speaks, so they go to bed with the door unbarred. Robbers enter and eat the wife's cooking. Then they threaten to cut off the man's beard and kiss the wife (heh heh) so finally the man speaks. The wife skips with glee because it is her husband who now has to bar the door. <br><br>I thought this expression was particularly apt because by the time we get around to "barring the door," the pandemic will be here, cutting off our beards and kissing us. Maybe it will not be as virulent as it is right now! (Approximately 50% kill rate.) Let's hope not!<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby wintler » Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:45 pm

Saturday edition of Melbourne 'serious' newspaper devoted 1st 2 columns of a full page h5n1 article to discussion of how everyone in the know already has their vaccines, what they cost, how they'll be unavailable in the event of outbreak, where to get them...<br>We know Advertorials, what'll we call these, Panicvertorials? <p></p><i></i>
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Kim chee

Postby heyjt » Sun Sep 18, 2005 11:48 pm

Ummm, I love kim chee.<br>Garlic and hot peppers have long been healing herbs. Now I have a good reason for the stinky breath.<br> Kings kimchee is the best commercial brand I have tried. <br>It's pretty easy to make, though. You just take a head of Napa (loose, not head cabbage) and shread it and put it in a very large bowl or pot. Add a fair amount of salt, a huge amount of cut raw garlic, and plenty of ground, dried red pepper. Some people add ginger, but not too much. Let the mess brew at room temprature for a day or so (It's ment to ferment!) and then keep cool. The Koreans used to just bury crocks of it in the ground. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Kim chee

Postby Nymarya » Mon Sep 19, 2005 1:45 am

Yes, King's is good. I love hot food but I can't do the hot, I get medium. <br><br>One time a Korean co-worker brought me some of her granny's recipe. She had it in tupperware. I wanted to open it and take a taste and she said "Don't, not here!" I did anyway, just opened one corner. We worked in one big room with cubicles and a service window...about 10 second after I opened it, all the way across the room at the window a customer said "Eww, what's that smell?" <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> Personally I love the smell of garlic but I know I'm in a minority.<br><br>Why do I think bird flu is BS. OK, first they tell you that there is no way to tell which virus will mutate, or how. But then for like what is it now, TWO YEARS they keep telling you bird flu, which last I heard has killed 57 people worldwide (probably more people die of having a coconut fall on their head), is going to sweep the world and kill millions, and oopsie poopsie we seem to be short on vaccines and meds even though every few weeks someone else pulls the fire alarm about it.<br><br>Meanwhile of course we hear that labs in several cities--Seattle being the only one I can remember offhand--are actually working with the 1918 virus, not of course that there's any chance it could get out mind you (nudge nudge wink wink), they're working on it to see...what? Why it was so virulent so they can use that knowledge to fight bird flu, or so they can genetically tinker with bird flu to make it more lethal?<br><br>And then there was SARS, which never made any sense to me; I welcome anyone's explanation of what that was about other than a test to see how people would react. Again, more people probably died of coconutothunkocephalopathy (or Thunk! Syndrome).<br><br>And finally, there is the large number of microbiologists and other scientists who have died odd deaths or disappeared over the last several years. What was THAT about? Were these people who had done some work that would enable them, when this epidemic gets going, to realize what they had inadvertently been part of and blow a whistle? Or were they asked to participate somehow and said no, so they had to be silenced? Or were they simply experts who would be able to expose the official story and thus had to be preemptively removed?<br><br>To me the repetition of BIRD FLU BIRD FLU BIRD FLU means that when people start getting sick and dying from SOMETHING, everyone will think it's a natural organism that mutated. Possibly there won't be any independent scientists of stature left to contradict that, or at least willing to after they contemplate what has happened to their colleagues.<br><br>Think of how much energy is going to be expended discussing issues like vaccine...when it might not work anyway...stockpiling drugs like Tamiflu that might not work anyway....people who are handed prescriptions for a course of antibiotics that costs 100 bucks they don't have--sorry, it all went for gasoline and natural gas, the prices of which have skyrocketed, and their company has no health insurance, or doesn't cover meds....<br><br>Consider also that between the antiterrorism laws, executive orders and whatnot, people can be forcibly quarantined (and shot if they resist), forcibly vaccinated (and who's to say what's in that vaccine, remember you can't sue the makers if it's worse than the disease, or if...lookee!...it has an RFID chip in it too) in an epidemic you can kiss the last of your civil liberties goodbye like Dinah Shore with a big old smoocheroo.<br><br>Unfortunately most Americans think their health is the responsibility of their doctor, hospitals, the drug companies, public health agencies...when actually peoples' health is a profit engine for these institutions, not a value in itself. A profit engine, or a reason for a self perpetuating but hideously inefficient bureaucracy (ever applied for SSI? Please--do so, for the heuristic value of the attempt. It's a nightmare. Or check out the crazyquilt that is the Medicare drug benefit. It was designed by Rube Goldberg working overtime on mescaline with Franz Kafka.)<br><br>I may or may not be right about my analysis of what's going on. But I know that in the end keeping my lungs working (I have asthma, and nearly died several years back from double pneumonia which left my lungs tetchy at the best of times) is MY responsibility. Whether I'm going to be hit with a genetically reengineered virus made from the 1918 flu bug, chlamydia or mycoplasma, bird flu...*I* have to keep my lungs working efficiently, keep myself hydrated and nourished. I have to avail myself of whatever in allopathic or alternative medicine can facilitate this goal and avoid everything that interferes with those functions.<br><br>We all need to do this, and if you have a loved one who is part of a vulnerable population--elderly, suffering from any kind of pre-existing pulmonary ailment, AIDS and other immune suppressed, children, or you have inadequate health care, or you can't afford bottled water, supplements, organic food, let alone nebulizers, etc....please start thinking NOW about what you will need to provide yourself, and how you can obtain it.<br><br>Last, don't be afraid to be obsessive about minimizing your exposure to other peoples' secretions. If people make fun of you for wearing a mask or wiping down a shared phone before you use it, screw 'em. This is your life, and that of your loved ones.<br><br>Like the people down South found out after Katrina, the gubmint not only ain't gonna bust their butts to keep you alive, they may just do their best to kill you, if not by having created this bug to cull the herd, by deliberate inaction or incompetence.<br><br>Fool us once, shame on them. Fool us twice...shame on us.<br><br>Edited for diction. <p>=======<br>Oh, I enjoy an egg myself, yes. They don't make good pets, though; you can never get them in at night. <br> ~Doctor Pratt (played by Peter Sellers), "The Wrong Box"</p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=nymarya>Nymarya</A> at: 9/18/05 11:50 pm<br></i>
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Get your Rife Machine

Postby Connut » Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:47 am

Can't get a dubious vaccine that may contain god-knows-what now that the vaccine makers are working with the DOD? Get yourself a Rife machine and take care of everyone in your neighborhood. Initial expense is high, but it beats putting all that poison in your system - not to mention miniaturized tracking devices. Or get one of Don Croft's orgone buzzers (works great but not as many fun dials to play with) - or come see me, I've got both! <br><br>"Put a guard on your mouth, for words and thoughts that go forth do not return to you empty." <p></p><i></i>
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