Ten people dead as mystery virus hits Toronto home

[nomo]

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051004/hl_nm/health_virus_dc">news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051...h_virus_dc</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>By Matthew Chung 40 minutes ago<br><br>TORONTO (Reuters) - Ten people have died from a mystery viral outbreak at a Toronto nursing home and another 40 are in hospital, public health officials said on Tuesday as they raced to contact anyone who visited the home recently.<br><br>The outbreak, an unidentified respiratory virus, has sparked memories of the SARS outbreak two years ago that killed 44 people in Canada's largest city.<br><br>But health officials said the latest outbreak, which was first detected<br>on September 25, is under control although they warned that more deaths<br>could be expected.<br><br>Four new deaths were added to the toll on Tuesday, all of them elderly<br>residents at the Seven Oaks Home for the Aged. All of the dead were aged between 50 years to 95 years.<br><br>"Although the condition of some ill residents has worsened and<br>unfortunately four more have died, others are improving and we are<br>confident this outbreak is under control," said David McKeown, Toronto's<br>medical health officer.<br><br>"Given the age of the population...it's not at all unexpected to see<br>more deaths."<br><br>Health officials have ruled out SARS, avian flu and influenza and are<br>awaiting lab results.<br><br>But McKeown said it is possible they may never be able to identify the<br>virus, which has infected 70 residents at the home as well as 12<br>employees and two visitors.<br><br>Forty people have been put into isolation in hospital. Residents with<br>less severe symptoms are recovering at the nursing home which is closed to visitors and new patients.<br><br>Hospitals and emergency rooms were operating normally but medical staff at hospitals with infected patients are donning gowns, masks and gloves when handling patients.<br><br> <p>--<br>When all else fails... panic.</p><i></i>

[dbeach]

killing off the elderly . just like soviet russia.<br><br><br><br>"an unidentified respiratory virus'<br>created by mad scientists whom are now dead<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[dbeach]

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.stevequayle.com/dead_scientists/UpdatedDeadScientists.html">www.stevequayle.com/dead_...tists.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>at least 78 dead scientists BUT hey nobody asking questions <p></p><i></i>

[Gouda]

why do these horrid events come in spates, such as the flurry of plane crashes and accidents last month? Hurricanes dodging statistics and diving headlong, one after the other, onto US landfall. <br><br>Here we have the elderly as victims: The NO nursing home drowning; the bus explosion outside of Houston, and now this. <p></p><i></i>

[nomo]

And then there were the twenty or so who died this weekend on Lake George:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.google.com/news?q=lake%20george">news.google.com/news?q=lake%20george</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Gouda]

yes, and that is a deadly combination of all: transport, the elderly, with the recently macabre ubiquity of water & drowning. <p></p><i></i>

[israelirealities]

While i visited Canada, I felt there was a lot of stuff going on with the combination of bacteria/virus and MOULD (in terms of biowarfare). Maybe they should check for mould in that elderly home.<br>As for biologists dying...since they became soldiers in the front trenches, assassinations are to be expected amongst them. I find it very distressing that scientists in general, as well as physicians, are engaged in death and pain, rather than enhancing life. THey go where the big money is, and then later, when retired they join various organizations that try to undo what they did as younger and ambitious careerists. REcently I found out I have a Phobic reaction to : scientists, computer people/engineers, and medical doctors. (this is added to my apprehension from soldiers and civil servants).<br>Doesn't leave much. <br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[chiggerbit]

Some on the dead scientist list are unnamed Israelis, I believe, died in a plane crash. Do you have more info on them, israelirealities? <p></p><i></i>

[israelirealities]

chigger, if you have names or dates or something to start with, I can do some research. Otherwise, don't know, but "the more the merrier", in a way. Sorry to sound so "acidic" about those deaths. <br>Israel has a notorious institute for Biology, and I grew nearby, and many of my classmates were chidren of these professors. The more I know of their "work" the more digusted I am with these people. There have been attempts by citizens living nearby to ask that this "institute" be relocated, for fear of "runaway viruses", hitting the nighboring area. But, these people are beyond any law and civil accountability. We, the citizens are merely potential guinea pigs for them. They have been working on "weapons" but now I think its just plain business for many of them, who probably sell it to anyone with some money, including so called enemies (Iranians ? god knows). Also, for some time now this is not defense work but offensive weapons, used for assassinations and what not. I wouldn't be surprised at all if these killings are on commercial/business background. Since there is SOOOO much money involved, this becomes a trade hazard for those who know too much or who have patent rights etc. Similar mafia killings are happening here with physicians involved in black market of transplant organs. Serves them right, I say. If a person can stoop as low as that, professionally and ethically, they cannot expect peaceful life. <br>i think we are looking at a time, when deseases and viruses are going to hit large populations, and we will not be able to know who the enemy is, and what the commercial stakes are. (is it the virus or the vaccine ??? that brings the big money). Unless more people, like here, will exchange information to the effect of finding out the connections between institutes, governments and corporations. <p></p><i></i>

[john darmy]

I think there were some Israeli scientists on board that plane that crashed in the Ukraine a couple years ago. Can't remember exactly when, but within the last four or five years I would say. The cause of the plane crash was suspicious. <p></p><i></i>

[chiggerbit]

<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://home.comcast.net/~typezero/3-7.htm">home.comcast.net/~typezero/3-7.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>#3-7 <br><br><br><br>5 Microbiologists October 4, 2001<br><br> <br> <br>A commercial jetliner traveling from Israel to Novosibirsk, Siberia was shot down over the Black Sea by an <br>"errant" Ukrainian surface-to-air missile, killing all on board. The missile was over 100 miles off-course. <br>Despite early news stories reporting it as a charter, the flight, Air Sibir 1812, was a regularly scheduled<br>flight.<br><br>According to several press reports, including a Dec. 5 article by Barry Chamish and one on Jan. 13 by <br>Jim Rarey (both available at www.rense.com), the plane is believed by many in Israel to have had as many<br>as five passengers who were microbiologists. Both Israel and Novosibirsk are homes for cutting-edge<br>microbiological research. Novosibirsk is known as the scientific capital of Siberia, and home to over 50 <br>research facilities and 13 full universities for a <br>population of only 2.5 million people.<br> <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.stevequayle.com/index1.html">www.stevequayle.com/index1.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <p></p><i></i>

[chiggerbit]

Now 16 are dead:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://go.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=healthNews&storyID=9839804&src=eDialog/GetContent">go.reuters.com/newsArticl...GetContent</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

[israelirealities]

Oh, I remember this accident now. All I can remember is that all of the names were Russian, namely, new immigrants whose names are unfamiliar to me. Don't remember talks about microbiologists in particular but there were some hot shots there, as I remember from the tv interviews with family members of the victims. I do remember that everyone thought it was intentional/terrorist act. The Russian immigrant community is not so integrated with the others. They are very conservative, and can easily be utilized in fishy governmental stuff, being accustomed to it from home...<br>For instance, many psychiatrists from the good old soviet system of "re education" times, were brought here and fill all the positions in public psychiatric hospitals. The level of their awareness to freedom, individual rights, etc., is zero, and the government just loves them, to the point that accreditation standards were modified to meet their needs (lowered considerably). These are very talented, educated and sophisticated immigrants, but their civic awareness is appalling. <br> <p></p><i></i>

[Col Quisp]

SARS hit Toronto too. This could be the first North American avian flu outbreak although they say it's not H5N1. Yet, they haven't produced proof that it's not.<br><br>Is Toronto a test tube?<br><br>From yesterday's Recombinomics Commentary (Dr. Niman):<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Mystery Illness in Toronto Kills Healthy Staff Member<br><br>Recombinomics Commentary<br>October 5, 2005<br><br>So far nine of the 10 fatalities have been senior citizens residing in a retirement home where the outbreak began, but one of the victims was a healthy staff member.<br><br>The death of a healthy staff member is cause for concern. Although daily press releases have provided basic numbers, the missing detail has created confusion. It is unclear how many of the hospitalized are elderly residents, and how many are hospital staff or visitors. The lowering of the infected vistors from 3 to 2 is also confusing.<br><br>More detail on the number of staff or visitors hospitalized would be useful as would more detail on the group of patients. It is unclear how many are in serious or critical condition or how many are on respirators.<br><br>More detail on how the illness is presenting or progressing would also be useful.<br><br>Failure to identify an etiological agent has cast doubt on the negative data on known pathogens. The number of hospitalized residents, staff, and visitors suggests this is not a "garden variety" virus, and more detail on the patients would be useful to eliminate H5N1 or SARS-like coronaviruses as likely candidates.<br><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>

[maggrwaggr]

that it was Legionnaire's disease.<br><br>end of story? <p></p><i></i>