Pot not a major cancer risk: report

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Postby robertdreed » Fri Oct 28, 2005 12:03 am

otherwise, I'd be doing that a lot more often %^? <p></p><i></i>
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probably.

Postby Homeless Halo » Fri Oct 28, 2005 12:08 am

Just poking. <p></p><i></i>
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let's slug it out

Postby robertdreed » Fri Oct 28, 2005 12:23 am

Yeah...you juicers like to do that.<br><br>I just invented a new cocktail, the Agrippa...1 part Goldwasser, 3 parts silver Tequila. With a <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>gusano</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, and an artichoke heart garnish. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 10/28/05 11:48 am<br></i>
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sounds lovely.

Postby Homeless Halo » Fri Oct 28, 2005 12:26 am

I'm going pretty basic tonight. Just me, Mr Daniels and <br>South Park, at least until my girl comes back around, although I might be unconscious by then...<br> <p></p><i></i>
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cannabis

Postby jenz » Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:31 am

there has been some statistical evidence linking regular early use to schizophrenia developing. (some of we ancients are of the opinion that this has arisen because of the type of cannabis which is hitting the market now, as opposed to the more homegrown type of stuff which was used a few decades ago.) I am flagging this up to put the other side of the question, and suggest some care on a personal level. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby robertdreed » Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:41 pm

Well, cannabis is a unique high...the chief effect is on the time sense. Lowers the blood pressure 10-15 point on average, while increasing the heart rate for perhaps the first 30-60 minutes after smoking, and lowers the body emperature by perhaps 1-1.5 degrees F. <br><br>A ton of antioxidants in cannabis, too.<br><br>But, expansion of time sense isn't necessarily always felt as pleasant...a lot depends on the surrounding circumstances. The pot high is something one learns- a learned state- and after a given pint one either enjoys it, or not. It doesn't induce physical numbness, like CNS depressants such as alcohol, benzodiapenes, opiates, barbiturares, etc. Such pain relief as it offers results from the mild disassociative state of the high, lowerng blood pressure, and muscle relaxation. It relaxes the smooth muscles- subtly, not like amyl nitrite. For this reason, it can also help suppress the vomit reflex, or keep a spell of vomiting from chronic spasming. (If used when heavily drunk, though, even a little bit of marijuana is an almost guaranteed ticket to the spins, and vomiting. Feels pretty good if you've only had a beer or two, though...)<br><br>Schizophrenics tend to not like marijuana. It does tend to set off or intensify the unpleasant symptoms of schizoprenia. fpr most of the people who have it. I've encountered a lot of schizophrenics, and it's rare for them to be users of illegal street drugs. The drug that homeless schizophrenics are most likely to use on the street is alcohol. And tobacco, schizzies are oftenn chain smokers. For the majority of schizophrenics, symptoms become apparent during adolescence. ( Adolescence is such a weird stage of life, though, that it's difficult to be sure of a diagnosis of schizophrenia until the early 20s. ) Adolescence is also the usual time of first use of cannabis. That's too young for best results, in my opinion, but it's like shouting into the wind to tell young people anything. They often don't listen about tobacco, either...<br><br>I dunno...really strong reefer or hashish can be disorienting, especially in risky, strange, or foreboding environments. I suggest not smoking it under those conditions. But I think it's a scientific error to make a Federal case out of that. Disorientation after smoking usually doesn't last for more than the first 15 minutes- unless one decides to keep on smoking it anyway. Some people get the heebie-jeebies from even a little bit, and thus don't care for smoking it. And a lot more people don't find the time expansion and sharpening of sensation and perception to be worth cannabis's most common side effect- a tendency toward fatigue and chronic tiredness. And then there are those who steam through remarkably productive and successful lives seemingly fueled by their cannabis consumption...actually, in my experience, that type of pothead is often a weird combination of Type R and Type A personality, the sort of people who would be productive anyway...they use cannabis to take the edge off of their fast-lane personalities. They tend to smoke more when they're at the end of a creative project than at the beginning. And then there are musicians...pothead musicians smoke pot in order to dwell in enternal music land, amid the grace notes and the all-night steadu mid-tempo beats of trance rhythms and modal arabesques. Even American country musicians go in for the herb. <br><br>I think it was L. Ron Hubbard who noted in his book Dianetics that marijuana was capable of "helping neurotics stay productive." "Neurotic" is an elastic term, and I'm not sure how Hubbard, an upper and downer popping pillhead, defined it. Whatever, cannabis use can help ameliorate the boredom factor of a lot of routine jobs. There are a lot of blue-collar workers who use it for slow, steady stamina- from farmworkers to drivers, from warehouse workers to gardeners. <br><br>My recommendation is: if it works for you, stay with it. Used daily as an antidepressant, it's remarkably non-toxic. I wouldn't recommend any pharmaceutical drug I know of as a safer substitute. If you get tired of the fuzzy labyrinth of habitual cannabis use, then quit. Some people get a little jittery or insomniac for a while after they give up smoking pot. I've never had a problem stopping- but some people do, usually they're also tobacco smokers in my observation. But at least quitting cannabis abruptly doesn't plunge people nto suicidal depressions, as can happen with Paxil, Zoloft, or Prozac...that said, cannabis tends not to agree with bipolar personalites or serious depressives. Smoking pot doesn't work as effectively as the serotonergic antidepressants. <br><br>As always, I recommend that adults make their own informed, educated choices on their choice of mind medications- if any. And whatever you decide to ingest, take responsibility for the consequences...don't look at me, I didn't make you take it. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: cannabis

Postby chiggerbit » Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:17 am

I've tried it a couple of times, but it never did anything for me. And I've known a few heavy users who became paranoid, but who knows what else they were using? Also know more than a few young people who were "anti-motivational" with heavy use, became unable to perform normal chores in school, etc., kind of lazy--well, VERY lazy. Could have just been anti-authoritarian complications. Also, know of one tatoo artist who claimed that heavy users had a VERY low threshold of pain, were real pussies about the least little pain that non-users took for granted. Also talked with one prison guard once who said he wished that it could be prescribed to the inmates as it calmed the population. Kind of thought he was dealing it, though, but again, who knows?<br><br>Personally, I wish they would legalize it, as hemp would make a great alternate crop for farmers, which will be needed as the administration gets rid of farm subsidies. No reason that we should import hemp products, when we could grow it right here in our own country, if not for the paranoia. Great source of tax revenues, too.<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 10/29/05 8:44 am<br></i>
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Re: cannabis

Postby robertdreed » Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:34 am

If I was carrying illegal stash and smoking it regularly on a daily basis in the sociocultural/legal environment of, say, Kansas (circa 2001CE), I think it would be some doing for me not to succumb to some level of paranoia myself. <br><br>"Also know more than a few young people who were "anit-motivational" with heavy use, became unable to perform normal chores in school, etc., kind of lazy--well, VERY lazy."<br><br>Yeah. I've been there. A regret of mine, because it was so unnecessary. Anyone who smokes so much cannabis that they spend much of their day napping, or in a dazed torpor, is overshooting the mark. That's pathetic, particularly for a teenager or a young man. Better off quitting completely, than to develop "green blood syndrome." You know, demonstrate some fitness, some <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>virilta</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->. If you're a 20 year old male and you lack the energy to drop and do 30 push-ups or break into a mile-long double-time jog at the drop of a hat, I think it's inexcusable, unless you have a valid medical excuse...and "I'm fatigued from constantly smoking pot" doesn't count as one, in my opinion. It's no excuse for flunking higher math classes in high school, either- to mention yet another reason why I think that teenagers should confine ther marijuana experience to an occasional experiment, at most. Cannabis doesn't damage the brain, but the high can hinder learning, especially on subjects that one doesn't find all that interesting. ( Once one achieves a level of competence in a subject, though, I find that a mild cannabis buzz can help make its study enthrallingly interesting, thus helping the learning process. ) <br><br>See, I'm actually an adherent of roughly the same hard line as G. Gordon Liddy, or Ted Nugent. With the crucial difference that for some strange reason those guys think a police state is necessary in order for good sense to prevail, and I think that Inquisitions get in the way. I mean, I can take a hint. There's no need to throw me in a dungeon as part of the effort to demonstrate the merit of your argument.<br><br>As it happened, I snapped out of my own early reverie of near-chain smoking overuse fairly early on, promising myself at the age of 23 that I'd already smoked at least 50 per cent of the reefer that I was ever going to smoke. Unless I live considerably longer than a century, I'm still on-track in regard to maintaining the terms of that promise. <br><br>Additionally, I think any young adult who smokes cannabis on a daily basis and isn't taking advantage of all that sensuous, buzzy Slack to take up a creative discipline like painting, sculpture, music, dancing lessons, bowling, etc., is diminishing the experience to the point of worthlessness, and perhaps beyond. You don't want to smoke pot simply to render yourself null and void. (Admittedly, that IS the message sent by the Zero Tolerance statutes- that pot is good for nothing, and used by good-for nothings. Programming that free-thinking potheads everywhere must learn to resist...)<br><br>And considering the near-ubiquity of high-octane bud these days, I think it's high time to learn the sublime subtleties of stopping after 1/2-2 tokes of the sticky stuff. Just as I've long since learned that drinking 1 or 2 pints of beer makes for a superior high, compared to drinking 5, 6, or 10...<br><br>Not to come off as too much of an advocate for being "on something"...I actually admire people who don't find it necessary to use any such additives. Although I admit to being mystified as to how anyone manages without coffee or tea. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 10/29/05 4:47 am<br></i>
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