Ziad Jarrah's Martyrdom Tape Bloopers

[AhabsOtherLeg]

Thanks for that 8bit. Here's a wee bit from the second page of the Times Online link as well:

While there is no doubting the huge importance of the capture of Khalid, last week’s raid does leave many unanswered questions.Would he really be travelling with phones, laptop computers, documents and lists of names in an organisation that for the past two years has relied on foot messengers, knowing that phone calls can be intercepted and used to trace their position? The Qadoos family point to the photo of Khalid released by Pakistani authorities, purportedly showing him under arrest in the house, looking fat and dazed in a baggy vest as he stands against a wall of peeling paint. A thorough search of the house shows there is no such wall.

“The family is lying,” insisted the information minister. However, he admitted that it was “perhaps unlikely” that Ahmed Qadoos was mixed up with Al-Qaeda, suggesting the real link was to another family member.

And from the first page, another recurring feature in the capture of Al Qaeda operatives in quite unikely circumstances - the almost-inevitable Forrest Gump character:

The description of Qadoos as a simpleton is supported by the family’s neighbour, Colonel Shahida of the Pakistani army.

“Ahmed can’t be a terrorist,” he laughed. “He’s a goof, simple in the head. Once he shot himself in the hand because he was cleaning a gun with the barrel against his palm. They are a purdah-observing household. We never saw anyone strange enter the house.”

But we can't trust the word of a Pakistani army Colonel anymore, can we? Because it's quite recently been decided that the Pakistani military and ISI are almost incurably infiltrated by Al Qaeda - just like a lot of people seeking the truth of 911 were saying many years ago.

God, all this gets depressing, in it's circularity, but it's also always got a bit of the Cosmic Giggle in it. I am going to add that phrase to the RI Neologisms thread, because it sums a lot of stuff up.

Forgot this:

http://current.com/items/89545070/milit ... photos.htm

EDITED A RIDICULOUS NUMBER OF TIMES DUE TO STUPIDITY.

[8bitagent]

@ahab:

I think that really is Khalid Mohamed held at Gitmo thats been paraded about in these Saturday Night Live comedy sketches of a "trial". The whole trail antics have been so absurd, that if one were to believe the official story...it'd be quite insulting to the families.

Here's two new articles that further show how elements within the US government elite have protected, supported, and been in bed with high level al qaeda terrorists:

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/A_possibl ... _1111.html

http://911blogger.com/node/18605

Also, you said
" Because it's quite recently been decided that the Pakistani military and ISI are almost incurably infiltrated by Al Qaeda "

...I would say its definitely the other way around. al Qaeda have been shown time and time again to be mere puppets of globalist agencies.

The mystery of Omar Saeed Sheikh alone shows this.

[crikkett]

It's Ziad Jarrah, not Farrah.

This is the "hijacker" who bought his ticket online using the e-mail address ziahjarrah@ab.com

You can only get an e-mail address @ab.com if you work for Allen-Bradley, a U.S. defense contractor.

We learned these facts from documents from the Moussaoui trial.

Somebody forgot to redact something. :)

Wow, this is absolutely the coolest thing I've learned today.

Thanks.

[Code Unknown]

Wow, this is absolutely the coolest thing I've learned today.

Thanks.

Hate to spoil your day but...

It is possible now to sign up for a Travelocity account with a bogus e-mail address. I just did it! I put in a bogus e-mail address for a domain that I own, but the e-mail account does not exist. No problem for Travelocity. I'm sure I can book a flight now. Of course, I would have to provide legitimate credit card information, but the e-mail address doesn't matter.

It just means I won't get confirmation and a receipt via e-mail. That's all. Not a big deal. If I wanted a print-out, I would just have to print out the confirmation page when I do the booking. Or I could log back in and print it out later. Or just show up at the airport, and they have would have my e-ticket on file. It would be in the system when I check in at the kiosk or at the counter.

Why Ziad Jarrah didn't bother with using a free Yahoo! or hotmail account, I don't know. But, I think it's likely he made up the ziadjarrah@ab.com address.

Another point to keep in mind is that the hijackers booked many of their flights at Kinkos and such places. Even today, only some work places provide remote access to your work e-mail. I think remote access was less common back in 2001. Would an employee at Rockwell (Allen Bradley) be able to access their e-mail from Kinkos back in 2001?

It is very unlikely that this ab.com address used by Jarrah was legit, that he booked this flight at Kinko's, was able to remotely access Allen-Bradley's e-mail system and print out a copy of his reservation. Why bother, when he can print it out from the Travelocity website. It doesn't matter what e-mail address you give Travelocity.
http://forums.randi.org/archive/index.php/t-96646.html

[AhabsOtherLeg]

Also, you said
" Because it's quite recently been decided that the Pakistani military and ISI are almost incurably infiltrated by Al Qaeda "

...I would say its definitely the other way around. al Qaeda have been shown time and time again to be mere puppets of globalist agencies.

The mystery of Omar Saeed Sheikh alone shows this.

But that's what I meant. There have been a lot of people, for a long time (and you are one of them!) saying for years that the ISI were riddled with hardcore Islamists (or Al Qaeda operatives, since those are two different things) and MI6 and the CIA rubbished these notions for years - saying that Pakistan was an ally, and it's record was spotless, and it's intelligence agencies and army were loyal to the War On Terror, etc.

But it has recently become okay to talk about the ISI/Al Qaeda links, even in the mainstream media. After all those years of strenuous denials the same intelligence agencies who once denied the links are now telling us that we were right all along. The ISI has links to Al Qaeda. And I feel like screaming: YES, WE KNEW. Years ago.

But MI6 and the CIA are nowhere in the picture. The ISI are going to take the fall for them. The fact that the ISI aren't using their own considerable muscle to cause problems suggests that they were bought and paid for a long time ago. And infiltrated by more than Al Qaeda.

On a job as big as 911 a single human patsy would never do. We all know there have been more than that already, even if we don't count the victims who died on the day, or the victims of the subsequent wars (on both sides).

It now looks like an entire agency (perhaps an entire country - come to think of it, another entire country) will have to go to the wall. Good riddance to the agency, but I worry for the country. We called them allies, and excused the fact that their President was a dictator, and used them every way but upside down - and now we have one of the largest military forces anywhere on earth gathered along their weakest border, and a newly sainted ally in India on their other flank, and we are caling them out, while simultaneously annihilating the reputation and the reality of their intelligence services, and promoting the most extreme civil unrest within their country (I suppose that last bit depends on who you believe killed Bhutto and bombed the hotel recently).

If I was Pakistan, I'd be harbouring enemies of the US too - now more than ever. And not the kind of enemies of the US who get their money sent over Western Union.

[8bitagent]

Wow, this is absolutely the coolest thing I've learned today.

Thanks.

Hate to spoil your day but...

It is possible now to sign up for a Travelocity account with a bogus e-mail address. I just did it! I put in a bogus e-mail address for a domain that I own, but the e-mail account does not exist. No problem for Travelocity. I'm sure I can book a flight now. Of course, I would have to provide legitimate credit card information, but the e-mail address doesn't matter.

It just means I won't get confirmation and a receipt via e-mail. That's all. Not a big deal. If I wanted a print-out, I would just have to print out the confirmation page when I do the booking. Or I could log back in and print it out later. Or just show up at the airport, and they have would have my e-ticket on file. It would be in the system when I check in at the kiosk or at the counter.

Why Ziad Jarrah didn't bother with using a free Yahoo! or hotmail account, I don't know. But, I think it's likely he made up the ziadjarrah@ab.com address.

Another point to keep in mind is that the hijackers booked many of their flights at Kinkos and such places. Even today, only some work places provide remote access to your work e-mail. I think remote access was less common back in 2001. Would an employee at Rockwell (Allen Bradley) be able to access their e-mail from Kinkos back in 2001?

It is very unlikely that this ab.com address used by Jarrah was legit, that he booked this flight at Kinko's, was able to remotely access Allen-Bradley's e-mail system and print out a copy of his reservation. Why bother, when he can print it out from the Travelocity website. It doesn't matter what e-mail address you give Travelocity.
http://forums.randi.org/archive/index.php/t-96646.html

Funny how JREF forums dont mention that Moussaoui was in contact with Blackwater, or how Mohamed Atta(pilotz123@hotmail.com) was in contact with defense contractors.

Also funny JREF doesnt mention that the fourth ticket for Flight 93 was
purchased at a library computer terminal at Oklahoma University, where the Nick Berg-Moussaoui-Melvin Lattimore-al Attas nexus transpired. Officials said a white guy had purchased the ticket. Could that have been Nick Berg, who was seen hanging around Moussaoui and company, and whose emails and passwords were found on Moussaoui's laptop? The mystery of Norman Oklahoma is another key componet to 9/11 that 'truthers' and 'debunkers' refuse to look at.

Ive also found how deeply involved corporations and front groups were with the hijackers, even arranging for them to end up at known spook related flight schools.

[8bitagent]

But MI6 and the CIA are nowhere in the picture. The ISI are going to take the fall for them. The fact that the ISI aren't using their own considerable muscle to cause problems suggests that they were bought and paid for a long time ago. And infiltrated by more than Al Qaeda.

On a job as big as 911 a single human patsy would never do. We all know there have been more than that already, even if we don't count the victims who died on the day, or the victims of the subsequent wars (on both sides).

It now looks like an entire agency (perhaps an entire country - come to think of it, another entire country) will have to go to the wall. Good riddance to the agency, but I worry for the country. We called them allies, and excused the fact that their President was a dictator, and used them every way but upside down - and now we have one of the largest military forces gathered anywhere on earth on their weakest border, and we are caling them out, and annihilating the reputation and the reality of their intelligence services at the same time, while promoting the most extreme civil unrest (I suppose that bit depends on who you believe kiled Bhutto and bombed the hotel recently).

Anyway, I agree with you. Why does everybody always think I'm disagreeing with them?

Remember when it came out that Pervez Musharaff's top cop Brigadeer
Ejaz Shah was bin Laden and Omar Saeed Sheikh's personal ISI handler, and was reported to have stood down security for Bhutto?

Yeah it is odd, you are finally starting to see the media, CIA, ect
come out and say in Newsweek/Time/MSNBC how Pakistani ISI is secretly funding these guys.

I think its also 100% clear that every time the CIA, delta force, ect had a crack at taking out bin Laden...Clinton and then Bush folks made sure that didnt happen.

With Pakistan, theyve long been the globalists go to monster factory, hence why so many "al Qaeda" attacks worldwide point back to Pakistani ISI or ISI linked operatives. Why even the CIA admits to using al Qaeda splinter group Jundullah(once headed by Khalid Sheikh Mohamed) to stage terror bombings in Iran.

For years us 9/11 "conspiracy theorists" have been saying Pakistan has been involved with "the terrorists". Now were going to see Obama's administration probably say "Pakistan is in bed with al Qaeda" or
"Pakistan is unable to stop al Qaeda, so we're invading".
The "surge" into Afghanistan is just code for the next war: Pakistan

And I guarantee that if theres a next 9/11, it'll be made to point to Pakistan...and if its nuclear, to AQ Khan and or Russian nukes.

As to the why's...

You said "On a job as big as 911 a single human patsy would never do. We all know there have been more than that already, even if we don't count the victims who died on the day, or the victims of the subsequent wars (on both sides)."

Well it was absolutely essential that real willing, bragging rights al Qaeda jihadists were intimately involved in the 9/11 attacks. Anyone accusing anyone other than Muslims of 9/11 could just laugh and say "look, al Qaeda admits and brags they did it! Heres the receipts" Plausible Deniability, in triplicate. Al Qaeda doesnt know they are being strung along by the hidden hand. 9/11 isnt mihop, or lihop, but nwo hop in this instance. I say even if the official story is true, its an NWO job since bin Laden and al Qaeda are just pawns of the global Hegelian dialectic agenda.

THIS is why most "9/11 truthers" fail, big time. Because they fail to go after the real line of inquiries. Which is precisely in looking at the hijackers, al Qaeda, and those behind them...not Larry Silverstein or missile theories or whatever.

The CIA-Saudi-ISI nexus has been around for awhile, but as you said, now were seeing possible scapegoating. And that actually happened days after 9/11, with Armitage calling Musharaff.

Chances are youll never hear an official say Pakistan is linked to 9/11, because then that opens up a WHOLE can of worms and questions...ones, Daniel Pearl already died for in investigating.

[stefano]

I saw that yesterday while going through Mr. Fish's archive, and obviously had to go through the archive again to post it here.

[AhabsOtherLeg]

I saw that yesterday while going through Mr. Fish's archive, and obviously had to go through the archive again to post it here.

I could defend him on that charge! But not well... and not for long.

[Avalon]

Have there been any substantive attempts to re-visit the identity issues recently? Most of the original work was done in the first few weeks after 9/11. and I haven't seen much dated later than 2002.

The efforts to document the use of doubles have been continuing all this time, but has anyone ever gone back to those famiily and friends who were interviewed in 2001 about what may have been the hijacked identity of their loved one?

[IanEye]

Well, I could've been an actor, but I wound up here
I just have to look good, I don't have to be clear
Come and whisper in my ear, give us dirty laundry



We got the bubble-headed bleach-blonde, comes on at 5
She can tell you about the plane crash with a gleam in her eye
It's interesting when people die, give us dirty laundry



Can we film the operation? Is the head dead yet?
You know the boys in the newsroom got a running bet
Get the widow on the set, we need dirty laundry

[AhabsOtherLeg]

Have there been any substantive attempts to re-visit the identity issues recently? Most of the original work was done in the first few weeks after 9/11. and I haven't seen much dated later than 2002.

The efforts to document the use of doubles have been continuing all this time, but has anyone ever gone back to those famiily and friends who were interviewed in 2001 about what may have been the hijacked identity of their loved one?

That's a good point.

And it would be good to go right back to the start - to a time when it was openly accepted that a catastrophe which resulted in most of the victims being identifiable only through the sifting of dust for DNA also turned up the identifiable passport of one of the perpetrators on the second day.

That was a miracle.

It would've restored my faith, if it hadn't, instead, broke it clean in half.

But I agree. There were people who were parents and relatives of the accused hijackers, and people who insisted that their children were not terrorists, and were still alive.

[8bitagent]

Can we film the operation? Is the head dead yet?
You know the boys in the newsroom got a running bet
Get the widow on the set, we need dirty laundry

Damn good documentary. More proof Omar Saeed Sheikh is a high level NWO operative for the MI6/ISI who was instrumental in al Qaeda(along with Ali Mohamed) and helping to steer al Qaeda. And more proof Daniel Pearl, like Nick Berg, died for going to far in uncovering some ugly truths
(for pearl, it was discovering that ISI and al Qaeda are one in the same)

[8bitagent]

Have there been any substantive attempts to re-visit the identity issues recently? Most of the original work was done in the first few weeks after 9/11. and I haven't seen much dated later than 2002.

The efforts to document the use of doubles have been continuing all this time, but has anyone ever gone back to those famiily and friends who were interviewed in 2001 about what may have been the hijacked identity of their loved one?

Here's my question:

Knowing full well its proven that the 9/11 hijackers had a wide support network in America, and that a lot of financing to the hijackers came from elements within foreign governments...how can law enforcement, the US government, media and the average person pretend 9/11 was merely the work of Osama bin Laden, Ramzi bin Alshidh, KSM, Zawahiri, Mohamed Atta and 18 other individuals?

This is the question I ask to most 'truthers' who dont even know a thing about al Qaeda, pretending they dont exist.

The trick is called plausible deniability. You have to get a Qaeda fully involved...intimately involved, to the point where THEY think they are the sole ones behind it.

You also have to make people think "the neocons" or "Israel" did it as well.

[crikkett]

Would an employee at Rockwell (Allen Bradley) be able to access their e-mail from Kinkos back in 2001?

Well, I was a network administrator in 2001. Remote access to corporate email was not only common but easy to provide.

So. I see your point about the possibility of using a fake email address, but the article you quote isn't disproving a real ab.com address by saying there was no reasonable expectation that remote access could have been available. It is however, telling us about the author's limited computer literacy.